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UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:09 pm

@airlinejack: United will begin flights to Atlantic City from IAH and ORD on April 1 utilizing an E145. The only other commercial airline at ACY is Spirit
Saw this on twitter!
IAH gets a new route!
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:12 pm

Why not 2x daily ORD? IAH doesnt make much sense to me, particularly on an E145! Yuck.
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:13 pm

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uni...on-2013-11-14?reflink=MW_news_stmp

news release....... I am just happy to have more service here
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:13 pm

IAH-ACY on an ERJ? Man, thats some kind of hell. I did DFW-FAR on an ERJ and I thought I was going to go crazy. This is an extra 500 miles past that!
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:22 pm

Nice to see ACY service (for the sake of ACY service in general) but I agree this is a long flight on an ERJ.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 1):

IAH-ORD on a 145 is great but to IAH on a 145? What the hell? I don't see this route lasting. The should add a Q up to EWR.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:41 pm

HUGE! I am thrilled to see this. I personally would think 2x ORD would be better, but United must have a reason. For someone in say Toms River this is a new option instead of EWR. There are alot of people in Ocean and Monmouth County who can reach both EWR and ACY. ACY is a nice option, personally i will use ACY once, i love the airport even though i live far away.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:55 pm

Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

hint:

Politics.

Quote:
Mixed Signals on New PATH to the Airport
Christie Administration, United Airlines Discuss Rail Extension to Newark Liberty
Quote:
By Ted Mann
Sept. 29, 2013 10:15 p.m. ETRepresentatives of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have dangled a mass transit expansion project in front of the largest airline at Newark Liberty International Airport, people familiar with the matter said, but they want something in exchange: a pledge to begin serving the much smaller airport 100 miles away in Atlantic City.

In talks with United Airlines, the Christie representatives have suggested that they would direct the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to begin a long-contemplated extension of the PATH train to Newark's airport rail station, providing a long-desired direct rail link with Lower Manhattan, these people said.

In exchange, these people say Mr. Christie, via Port Authority Deputy Executive Director Bill Baroni, has asked United to provide service to a slate of cities from Atlantic City—a small airport with a spotty track record of supporting commercial service. United is the dominant airline at the Newark airport, carrying about 70% of the passengers.

I cannot post a link to Wall Street Journal articles, just use google for the full article.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:05 pm

nice to see ACY back in the network. Been a long time since it has been. CLE-ACY prior to September 11.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

hint:

Politics.

Ah - thank you very much for providing the real back story for this otherwise ridiculously-implausible sounding service. Now it all makes sense ...
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
The should add a Q up to EWR.



COEX used to fly 5x daily ATRs from ACY to EWR, it lasted until around 2001. In the Eighties they had a regional partner flying DHT's from Bader Field to EWR. They also flew 3x daily ERJ CLE-ACY.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

hint:

Politics

I will still take it..  
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Please see the following from September's Wall Street Journal regarding the motivation behind this announcement;

I would have thought it was a favor to the Port Authority because they just took over ACY, but this works too. Now the question is what will fares be like?
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):

IAH-ORD on a 145 is great but to IAH on a 145? What the hell?

That means this is even farther than EWR-OKC. Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:47 pm

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 12):
I would have thought it was a favor to the Port Authority because they just took over ACY

That too  
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:48 pm

I flew MSP-EWR on a COEX ERJ-145, that flight was more comfortable than the NWA A330 from HNL I had connected from.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:51 pm

Although UA had been courted by Port Authority and ACY for months, I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:55 pm

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
TTN

TTN and ACY really don't compete, if they wanted to respond to F9 they would launch TTN not ACY.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:56 pm

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

ILG-IAH has been discontinued.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:59 pm

What kind of fares will UA have on ACY-ORD in season when NK flies the route also?

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

ILG-IAH ceased. I think it's more trying to get something more at EWR, by servicing ACY, like B6 at ORH for more gates at BOS. The press release has "New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and United Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Jeff Smisek announced the service"

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:01:25]
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
Although UA had been courted by Port Authority and ACY for months, I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

"If you put your ear to the ground and hear hoofbeats, think Horses, not Zebras"

In this case I believe the obvious reason is PANYNJ not some out of the way F9 routes.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:03 pm

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 16):
Although UA had been courted by Port Authority and ACY for months, I think this is a response to F9: TTN-MDW, ILG-MDW and ILG-IAH.

ILG-IAH was dropped. Christie wants to revitalize AC and this will help him do it, its for that reason, it doesn't have to do with F9.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:04 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
TTN and ACY really don't compete, if they wanted to respond to F9 they would launch TTN not ACY.

While very few from Mercer Co. would go down to ACY and Atlantic Co. up to TTN, there is common catchment from Monmouth-Ocean, SW NJ, and Center City and NE Philly.

It's no surprise TTN decided to keep parking rate at $8/day, $1 less than ACY.

I think being at ACY it's something that helps UA on it's dominance at EWR, by serving the challenged city, AC it's going for good PR, and have Christie not be claiming UA is evil and there should be more low fare service, competition out of EWR.

Another side benefit: With US out of Star Alliance, it also has a side benefit of making UA/Star still competitive in So. NJ. Many anyways fly EWR up for international, or take NJTransit to the EWR station for domestic, but this helps as well.

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:11:08]
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
In talks with United Airlines, the Christie representatives have suggested that they would direct the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to begin a long-contemplated extension of the PATH train to Newark's airport rail station, providing a long-desired direct rail link with Lower Manhattan, these people said.


Yeah -- Something like this new Seimens diesel-powered *thingy* that operates on abandoned freight tracks -- like the CNJ tracks that criss-cross south Jersey. San Diego (pictured) has one of these operating on an abandoned single-track right-of-way up-county.

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:14:52]

[Edited 2013-11-14 11:15:36]
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:35 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 13):
That means this is even farther than EWR-OKC. Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?

Yup. Beats EWR-OKC by 18nm.

Some of our longest routes:

IAH-ACY 1169 nm
EWR-OKC 1151 nm
DEN-PIT 1121 nm
IAH-YYZ 1112 nm
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:47 pm

My guess is ORD/IAH will be replaced with CLE/IAD by November or so. IAD will link down to Florida as well for the winter months. There's just more fanfare to announce it with Chicago and Houston.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:55 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 26):

When I first heard there was going to be an announcement, I figured IAD in Dash-8 and ERJ to ORD.... never guessed IAH..

I cannot see them switching out ORD for CLE though... CLE wasn't too successful the first time with CO
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:04 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 23):
Yeah -- Something like this new Seimens diesel-powered *thingy* that operates on abandoned freight tracks -- like the CNJ tracks that criss-cross south Jersey. San Diego (pictured) has one of these operating on an abandoned single-track right-of-way up-county.

They're going to extend the PATH train 1.5 miles from South Street to the existing rail link. PATH is transit not light rail.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:08 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Ah - thank you very much for providing the real back story for this otherwise ridiculously-implausible sounding service. Now it all makes sense ...

Yup. High CASM RJ's on long stage lengths to low yield market is a recipe for red ink. However, we know the real reason they are adding this. I wonder how long UA has to fly these routes to get what they want at EWR?
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 23):
Yeah -- Something like this new Seimens diesel-powered *thingy* that operates on abandoned freight tracks -- like the CNJ tracks that criss-cross south Jersey. San Diego (pictured) has one of these operating on an abandoned single-track right-of-way up-county.

There is no CNJ tracks that criss cross anything in South Jersey anymore.

There is a plan to add an Atlantic City Airport Station in Pomona on the NJTransit Atlantic City Line.

The Atlantic City Line also has an interchange station with the NJTransit River LINE at Pennsauken Transit Center. The River LINE is a Diesel LRT line that runs from Trenton to Camden along the Delaware River.

But the apparent deal mentioned is about extending PATH from Newark Penn Station to Newark Liberty Interntational Airport NEC Station. Christie apparently promised to push for such an extension with the Port Authority which is jointly controlled (well sort of in name only - in terms more of veto power than anything else apparently) by the two Gvernor (NY and NJ). For those not from the region, PATH is a heavy rail subway system which runs relatively frequent 10 car trains between World Trade Center and Newark Penn Station, among its various routes.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:24 pm

AC airport and much more the city needs boosts of any type. I think they did to boost their polical connections with the christie administration and the port authority. I think a link to IAD and ORD and maybe even CLE would be better fits than IAH. If they see the traffic headed west though, they might have a reason.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:32 pm

I think this is great news for all of south New Jersey not just Atlantic City. I think this makes a lot of sense. There is a large population there who would love not to fight traffic to Philly or Newark. Good going !
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:33 pm

Great news another regional jet flight from the regional jet capital of the world! (IAH)   
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting andrew50 (Reply 32):
Great news another regional jet flight from the regional jet capital of the world! (IAH)

ORD has more RJ departures than IAH does on the average day, and that's just with UA. It's probably nearly double with AA thrown in there.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:13 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):


At one time CO and later UA (?) operated EWR - YYT using the 145. That's 1162 statute miles.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 30):
I think a link to IAD and ORD and maybe even CLE would be better fits than IAH

To compete with NK already serving ACY -- F9 serving nearby TTN (58 miles away) and ILG (57 miles away) -- and legacies serving PHL (45 miles away) -- "links" aren't going to cut it, most especially in the most congested air space in the country.

In this case, go big or go home.

a link to IAD
AFAIK, the casinos used to sponsor a flight to IAD to retrieve gamblers. I recall the route was flown with a CASA 212 aircraft, and as one would expect, was replaced with charter busses.

[Edited 2013-11-14 13:32:24]
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:46 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
Some of our longest routes:

Just to put those in GCMap terms for those with the popcorn:

50 seat routes over 1200 mi:

CLEDEN 1201 mi
IAHORF 1201 mi
EWRTUL 1215 mi
ELPORD 1236 mi
ORDYHZ 1239 mi
IAHYYZ 1280 mi
DENPIT 1290 mi
EWROKC 1325 mi
IAHACY 1345 mi
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:00 pm

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 34):

Oh yeah, I've done that flight. Was upped to a 737 shortly after.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
IAH-ACY 1169 nm
EWR-OKC 1151 nm
DEN-PIT 1121 nm
IAH-YYZ 1112 nm

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Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 13):
That means this is even farther than EWR-OKC. Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?
Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
Yup. Beats EWR-OKC by 18nm.

Darn. Sad to see that we'll be bumped from the top of the list. But if you have an A seat, the flight isn't too bad. I think I'd rather go from IAH on a UAX E145 than from [insert airport here] on a NK A320.   

As for the flight itself, we'll see whether the politics can live harmoniously with the balance sheet.
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:47 pm

After reading the WSJ mentioned above and even UA acknowledging that this won't work, and the unattractive aircraft for HOU, the more this sucks. ORD fares will probably be uncompetitive.

I'd rather see an ACY announcement of F9 announcing ACY-MDW and some other cities on a 2-4x weekly year-round.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 35):
To compete with NK already serving ACY -- F9 serving nearby TTN (58 miles away) and ILG (57 miles away) -- and legacies serving PHL (45 miles away) -- "links" aren't going to cut it, most especially in the most congested air space in the country.

ACY-IAD wouldn't be over congested airspace. If it could get pax on ACY-IAD-LAX on UA, it's better for them than the pax taking PHL-LAX on AA/US or VX.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:43 am

The A side seat on the ERJ is better than any seat on 737 or 320, especially with elite heavy flights, and having no chance of upgrade. What is the problem with ERJ anyway, the seats are same, you dont get anything more on a 737.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:51 am

Eff April 1. If the shoe fits...  
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:03 am

Quoting hohd (Reply 41):
The A side seat on the ERJ is better than any seat on 737 or 320, especially with elite heavy flights, and having no chance of upgrade. What is the problem with ERJ anyway, the seats are same, you dont get anything more on a 737.

Having done EWR-OKC and back a few times and IAH upper-midwest A is certainly the only thing I'd want unless the C seat was empty.

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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:25 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 35):
a link to IAD
AFAIK, the casinos used to sponsor a flight to IAD to retrieve gamblers. I recall the route was flown with a CASA 212 aircraft, and as one would expect, was replaced with charter busses.

If you're implying UA might consider IAD-ACY service in order to lure DC-area gamblers to ACY, think again: DC is slated to get its own major casino (just off of 495, and only a short jaunt from DCA) within a couple of years. That's on top of the casino frenzy near BWI (and soon to be downtown Baltimore), as well as West Virginia. In short, DC-area gamblers have a number of solid options within a short drive.

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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:31 am

UJC and RPA still do charters from IAD and BWI to ACY at least twice a month, so I am sure the gamblers are well taken care of. IAD would be more for connecting passengers if UA ever did it from ACY.
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Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 34):
At one time CO and later UA (?) operated EWR - YYT using the 145. That's 1162 statute miles.

Still do. Just recently went back to a 145. It's actually just a few mins from landing in YYT right now.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20131114/2310Z/KEWR/CYYT
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:31 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 30):
a link to IAD
Quoting 777fan (Reply 44):
If you're implying UA might consider IAD-ACY service in order to lure DC-area gamblers to ACY

I'm not implying anything -- I'm stating as fact.

Also, I remember that USAir Express was involved in moving gamblers from PHL using Short Aerovans.

All that went down the drain when the Atlantic City casinos began running free charters from the DC area, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. With your seat, as I remember, you got free chips to use at whatever casino was sponsoring the busses on a particular day.

As for "Maryland Live" near BWI and "Hollywood" in the West Virginia panhandle, neither has caused NK or WN to cut any nonstop flights to LAS.

The new Gaylord place on the Potomac will -- likewise -- change that in no way.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:39 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 13):
Does that make this the UA E-145 pinnacle of misery?

Depends how much money you lost in ACY.  
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 35):
AFAIK, the casinos used to sponsor a flight to IAD to retrieve gamblers. I recall the route was flown with a CASA 212

ACA used to fly IAD-ACY back in the mid 90's for about 6 months. The flights were on a Jetstream 32. They were sponsored by Harrahs. A heavy load on any of those flights was anything more than five passengers. When Harrahs quit sponsoring the flights, ACA discontinued ACY immediately.
 
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RE: UA Adds ACY From IAH And ORD

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:11 am

Maybe run the Q400 CLE-ACY?
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