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Air Inter's 747-100

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:24 pm

I was going through a book that was given to me, telling the story of Air Inter.
In the book I came across something interesting. In the late 80's Air Inter leased a white 747-128 from Air France with only 2 Air Inter stickers by door 1L and 2L.
The 747-128 was F-BPVD and operated 1096 flights from Paris-Orly to Marseilles, Nice, Toulouse and Bordeaux.
It was equipped with 463 main deck single class seats and 16 seats on the upper-deck.
The author of the article about the 747 at Air Inter, captain Georges Bonnot, who was an Air Inter 747 captain, said that they managed to turn the plane ready for departure in 45 minutes.
The plane flew domestically with IT from sunday afternoon until friday noon and was back at Air France for the week-end to operate a flight to the French West-Indies.
Air Inter rated its own pilots and cabin crew on the 747. Some pilots came from the Mercure, others from the Airbus and 3 first ofiicers came from the Fokker 27.
The contract ran from April 1st 1988 until March 31st 1989.
The 747 unit was created to face the increase of passengers number flying on Air Inter domestically. 2 Airbus A300 with a full load of passengers were taking off every morning 15 minutes apart, from MRS and TLS to ORY. Air Inter was looking for a bigger airplane to help it sustain the demand.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew.

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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Wed Nov 01, 2000 9:28 pm

Why does air france today don't operate such big planes to those lines, instead of the 20-40 flights a day with 320,319,321 to those lines ?
Maybe because if one flight is canceled, the others still remains, but with the 747, if the flight is canceled, no flight for a day. But I saw, there is something like 15 flight canceled out of 40 for paris-marseille.
 
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Wed Nov 01, 2000 10:06 pm

It is far more convenient for the passengers (especially high yield ones) to have a flight every 30 or 60 minutes rather than a flight every 3/4 hours.

I used to travel ORY-TLS in the past, and aircrafts operated were A300s: then I think in 1994 or something even the A330s was used !
Now the shuttle is really working well, even if the single delay must be hard to recover.

However 747 may be of help in case of traffic mess   or during peak periods such as Christmas when the A320s are really fullest.
Only in Japan you can see shuttles operated all year round with 747s!

Ciao

 
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Wed Nov 01, 2000 10:50 pm

I've seen parking stripes for 777s at Nice T2, so there may be times when AF flies domestic widebodies there. Anyone know if AF has had a 777 at Nice? The777Man
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Wed Nov 01, 2000 10:55 pm

L'Espace 180, what are you talking about?

I flew Air Inter once in 1993 from Strasbourg-Entzheim
to Orly. Not a very pleasant flight.

When exactly was Air Inter absorbed into AF? Do they
still operate the Dassault Mercures? Did they ever have
the A330?

 
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Thu Nov 02, 2000 12:58 am

Bonjour ContinentalEWR,

Air Inter was totally merged with Air France in 1997.
Its last flight as Air Inter was operated on the 31st of December 1995 when IT 466 landed around 2300 in Orly from Ajaccio. The next morning all planes where operating as Air Inter Europe which was the commercial name of the airline, legally it was now Air France Europe.
The famous red and blue arrows next to the name dissapeared that same night.
The Mercure does not fly in France any more nor is the Caravelle. The Mercure ended its carrier in the early 1990's.
The last Air Inter Caravelle flight was on a Super12 as IT 5062 August 3rd 1991, Nantes-Paris-ORY operated by F-GCVK.
Concerning the A330-300, Air Inter ordered 15 of the twin engine jets, only 4 were delivered and flown in Air Inter colours.
The first plane was F-GMDB which was delivered on the 30th of December 1993, F-GMDC in FEB94, DA in MAR94 and DD in JUN94.
The capacity was 412 passengers in a single class lay-out. The first commercial flight was done on January 17th 1994 between Orly and Marseilles. The A330 ended its carrier at Air Inter in November 1996 and Sabena and Aer Lingus bought the 4 aircrafts. Air France is now the owner of the 10 outstanding A330-300 Air Inter ordered.

The777Man, We didn't operate any 777 to Nice as far as I know. The 747-400 was tested on the CDG-NCE when Air France took delivery of the aircraft whereas the 777 was put on the JFK flights only, followed by GRU, YUL and IAD.

We do fly 747's to Nice and Ajaccio during the summer season due to high demand for those 2 routes.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew.


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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Thu Nov 02, 2000 1:09 am

Hi

My father used to fly more than weekly between Bordeaux and Orly on Air Inter in the late 80's.
He remembers flying on the 747-100 which was very unpopular amongst frequent flyers, because it was always delayed (it was indeed not fitted with the "all-weather" landing system).
The Bordeaux Orly route's Frequent flyers protested, and then, IT gave up to put this plane on this route.

It's really amazing to think that it was just 10 years ago. Things have changed so quickly!

Rgds
Louis
 
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Thu Nov 02, 2000 1:14 am

By the way, thank you Heiarii for these nice pieces of informations about the IT's history!
 
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Thu Nov 02, 2000 12:17 pm

AF Cabin Crew,

Merci pour l'histoire des dernieres jours d'IT. I have one
more question, and this has to do with the crash of the
Air Inter A320 near Entzheim (Strasbourg) in 1991, was
it. What exactly happened? When I lived in Alsace in
1992, it was reported often in the news on TF1 and on
France 2/3 and some conclusions regarding the crash
had been made based on new findings.

Can you also tell me please what the name of the
mountain was that it crashed into?

Merci. Je prefere un discours plus calme ainsi que
plus interessant. Donc, ce qui c'est passe hier, je
n'y pense plus.

Merci.
ContinentalEWR
 
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Thu Nov 02, 2000 6:09 pm

Hello,

Nothing much to add to AF Cabin Crew, just that if Air Inter managed to make such turnarounds with the 747, it is because they fueled the aircraft in the morning as much as possible (just a bit less in order to remain below the MLW).

Refueling for short turnarounds has proved to be difficult on many widebodies, because that´s not the primary mission they were usually designed for.

ContinentalEWR, the A320 crash you`re talking about was on the "Mont St Odile", which is part of the French Vosges. To make a long story short, the crash is due to a problem with the ground proximity system: pilots thoughts they already were closer to the airport.

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Alain Mengus
 
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RE: Air Inter's 747-100

Fri Nov 03, 2000 1:08 am

The present air france's president, Jean Ciryl Spinneta, was the air inter president when the 320 crasched.

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