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Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:34 am

Morning all,

Was alarmed to read this morning that Aeroflot IL96 ops will cease come April 2014. I noticed they still operated to IST up to Jan'14 but after that it appears to revert to A32S. Anyone know where these little beauties will be going up until Apr'14? Preferably outside Russia to avoid visa drama...

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Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting AP1 (Thread starter):
. Anyone know where these little beauties will be going up until Apr'14? Preferably outside Russia to avoid visa drama...

Go LHR-SVO-IST and tranist for a few hours no visa price around EUR200-210 oneway then get TK or BA back. I know a few looking at this kind of option.  
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:06 pm

I was looking at exactly that but the IL96 seems to vanish after Jan'14. Are they running all the way to Apr'14?
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:13 pm

I just looked at 10th Feb SVO-IST SU2130 and its showing with seat map too as IL9 so unless they sub it for an Airbus there is a very good chance. Checked 17th March too and the same.
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:39 pm

SU2130/1 are still operated by IL-96, it seems. They might change that, who knows.

They also do MOW-TAS... good luck getting a Uzbekistani visa, then  
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:06 pm

Lovely, I can see a few have popped up - I clearly wasn't looking hard enough. Thanks all
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:01 pm

They might end up with CU or JS. JS flight from PEK to FNJ might need bigger aircrafts for this particular route and for VVIP travel. As for CU, it has already been announce they will operate more.

Some other airlines such as Air Zimbabwe or Sudan Airways might be interested too...
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:06 pm

For a fun trip, go to Aeroflot.ru and select multiple destination, then put in OSL-SVO as the first leg and SVO-IST as the second leg (for some reason if you put in OSL-IST it doesn't offer any connections). You will get an amazingly low one way fare (like €145 when I booked) and on two Russian types - first leg is SSJ and second leg is IL9. Connection time at SVO is about four hours or something. No visa required, you're not going through immigration. Works in Jan, haven't tried it for Feb or later.

Btw the Il-96 is a fantastic ride, absolutely amazing. And how many wide body types have ever existed? The answer by my rough count is THIRTEEN (747, 767, 777, 787; A300, A310, A330, A340, A380; L1011; DC-10; Il-86, Il-96) and it isn't often you get to fly a Russian one. Get on this bird before she's gone, you won't regret it!
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:27 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
For a fun trip, go to Aeroflot.ru and select multiple destination, then put in OSL-SVO as the first leg and SVO-IST as the second leg (for some reason if you put in OSL-IST it doesn't offer any connections). You will get an amazingly low one way fare (like €145 when I booked) and on two Russian types - first leg is SSJ and second leg is IL9. Connection time at SVO is about four hours or something. No visa required, you're not going through immigration. Works in Jan, haven't tried it for Feb or later.

Yes still there for Jan/Feb/Mar N class Fare basis NPXOW is bookable. Fare EUR39 Taxes EUR105 Great fare and A/C types  
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:38 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):

Yes still there for Jan/Feb/Mar N class Fare basis NPXOW is bookable. Fare EUR39 Taxes EUR105 Great fare and A/C types

The problem booking low fares to Russia is the visa issue. You never know if you will obtain the visa in time when you book cheap flights at short notice, which are of course non-refundable. For example, the visa section at the Russian consulate in GVA is only open a few hours a week. That's always deterred me from visiting Russia, apart from the lengthy visa application and high fee. I don't know why Russia doesn't implement a 'visa on arrival' system like Turkey and several Gulf states for nationalities that aren't likely to present any security or visa overstay issues. It would no doubt result in a huge increase in inbound tourism.
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:42 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
The problem booking low fares to Russia is the visa issue.

But you dont need a visa for the above fares so ok to book . If you are only transiting its fine.

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Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:42 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):

You won't need a visa when flying from Oslo to Istanbul via Moscow SVO with a transit time of less than 24hrs.
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:46 pm

Im booked on 23th january ist-svo-osl.
Can't wait for it

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Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:20 pm

Booked a little trip to IST (fingers crossed) on the IL96 in March. Could be last chance saloon! To all others doing the same, enjoy your trip and blue skies  
 
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Btw the Il-96 is a fantastic ride, absolutely amazing. And how many wide body types have ever existed? The answer by my rough count is THIRTEEN (747, 767, 777, 787; A300, A310, A330, A340, A380; L1011; DC-10; Il-86, Il-96) and it isn't often you get to fly a Russian one. Get on this bird before she's gone, you won't regret it!

You forgot the MD-11 and the A350. Buth the classic widebodies to me are: AB3, D1C, ILW, L10, 741, 310 and to a certain extend also 340, IL9 and 767...

I had the chance to be on RA-96010 an RA-96011 this summer to AER and I was amazed by the plane. To me it truely was the best ride ever, but not from an enthusiastics point of view, but rather the quality and the comfort of the ride.

Here some impressions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtfaXBA51c
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=105i4LXCn3k
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Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:15 am

Thanks Cedarjet - had trouble making this work from OSL to IST until I used the magic of "multiple destinations". Now how to get back to DUB from IST. Tarom looks interesting!!

When are you planning to try the SSJ IL9 combo?

V

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
or a fun trip, go to Aeroflot.ru and select multiple destination, then put in OSL-SVO as the first leg and SVO-IST as the second leg (for some reason if you put in OSL-IST it doesn't offer any connections). You will get an amazingly low one way fare (like €145 when I booked) and on two Russian types - first leg is SSJ and second leg is IL9.


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Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:28 am

I am booked on SU 2131 (IST-SVO) on 30 December. I very much look forward to get to fly on the IL96 (probably my only chance before they retire the type). To get the SSJ on the SVO-OSL leg makes the trip even more interesting.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:27 am

Quoting SK907 (Reply 16):
I am booked on SU 2131 (IST-SVO) on 30 December. I very much look forward to get to fly on the IL96 (probably my only chance before they retire the type). To get the SSJ on the SVO-OSL leg makes the trip even more interesting.

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RE: Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:40 pm

This is a real shame, but not particularly surprising.

Sadly, by just about any measurement, the Il-96 cannot be considered a success. With just 26 delivered from a total order book of 33, it's a real struggle to see Il-96s 'in the wild'.

For a plane that first flew in 1988, a painful production run has never seen more than three built in any year and no less than eight years seeing no deliveries at all (including just one delivery between 1997 and 2003).

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Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:41 pm

Cubana still has 3 in operation and 3 on order I think ...
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:59 am

Any chance to see them going to Air Koryo?
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:55 am

Does anyone know if the IL96-400s ordered by Cubana are ever going to actually exist?
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:58 am

I do have quite vivid and fuzzy experiences with the IL96. Mainly from Bangkok to Moscow on my flight to Prague. from 2004 onwards.

Surprising that this old "lady" was very comfortable and easy on the long flight to Moscow....
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:37 pm

Well you can't be surprised. Aeroflot has the oldest IL-96's. They are all around 20 years old. Some - more.
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting afterburner33 (Reply 21):
Does anyone know if the IL96-400s ordered by Cubana are ever going to actually exist?

The answer is no.
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:08 am

Hi, I just found this note on routesonline.com in which they mention the last scheduled flights for the IL96 will be from SVO-TAS and the last scheduled flight is for MAR30 2014.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...n-il96-service-to-tashkent-in-w13/

Sad to see this plane go, I've been reading some Russian forums in which there are some initial talks about an next-gen engine program with the PD-14M variant, but I just don't see the numbers to make it worthwhile.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 18):
Sadly, by just about any measurement, the Il-96 cannot be considered a success. With just 26 delivered from a total order book of 33, it's a real struggle to see Il-96s 'in the wild'.

For a plane that first flew in 1988, a painful production run has never seen more than three built in any year and no less than eight years seeing no deliveries at all (including just one delivery between 1997 and 2003).

From a production and commercial point of view maybe it cannot be considered a success, but from a passenger comfort and most importantly a safety point of view the IL-86/IL-96 family could be considered one of the safer if not the safest airliner ever built, especially if we take into account not a single passenger ever died in an IL-86 and not a single fatality has ever occurred in an IL-96, not a single one. That speaks for itself on the quality of these Russian birds.
 
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:04 am

Sadly the aircraft was a victim of the collapse of the USSR. Had that not happened I am sure hundreds would have been made.
 
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:42 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 23):
Well you can't be surprised. Aeroflot has the oldest IL-96's. They are all around 20 years old. Some - more.
We see A340's being written off and scrapped.

True, but those A340s have way more hours on them than the IL-96s. Just because they're calendar-year old doesn't mean they couldn't hopefully find a home with new operators.
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 25):
most importantly a safety point of view the IL-86/IL-96 family could be considered one of the safer if not the safest airliner ever built, especially if we take into account not a single passenger ever died in an IL-86 and not a single fatality has ever occurred in an IL-96, not a single one. That speaks for itself on the quality of these Russian birds.

True and not only for the Il-86/96; the safety record of older Russian designs such as the Tu-154 and Il-62 are certainly comparable or even superior to the 707, 727 et al. I mean some of those early American designs fell out of the sky on a regular basis - Pan Am and Air France both had six fatal 707 crashes, and there were three fatal 727 crashes in a very short space of time (weeks or a few months) after the type was introduced. Not entirely the fault of the hardware but also the leadership style of pilots of the era, and the ecosystem of nav aids etc was not what it is today. But even today we see "unreliable Soviet airliner" or "controversial safety record" in media reports regarding Tupolev or Ilyushin aircraft, but id you look at the statistics which are easy to find, you will discover that the Russians built very very safe aircraft and it is only a chauvinistic gene in western culture that stops us from acknowledging the achievements of other societies.
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:00 am

Hi,
anyone has an idea on which O&Ds from and to Istanbul - other than OSL - Aeroflot is offering attractive fares?
I would like to experience the IL96 from or to IST before it is too late but I don't want to apply for a Russian visa this time. Hence, I need an attractive fare for a transfer connection via Moscow to any place in Western Europe.
According to kayak, routes like DUS-SVO-IST are much more expensive than OSL-SVO-IST, for instance, but are there any other cheap deals besides Oslo?
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:35 am

Book on aeroflot using the multi segment booking engine. I have checked CPH and HAM and found similar fares
139, 306, 319, 320, 321, 332, 34A, AN2, AT4, AT5, AT7, 733, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 146, AR1, BH2, CN1, CR2, DH1, DH3, DH4,
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:12 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 28):
Pan Am and Air France both had six fatal 707 crashes

Pan Am had 11 707 accidents involving fatalities, including one terrorist attack. Five of the events occurred during a 9-month period in 1973/74.

Also have to keep in mind that many Aeroflot accidents on domestic routes may not have been reported during the Soviet era.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:33 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
Also have to keep in mind that many Aeroflot accidents on domestic routes may not have been reported during the Soviet era.



I doubt there's that many. Plane crashes are relatively difficult to keep covered up (long term at least) when you're being constantly spied on and monitored.
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting airevents (Reply 29):

I found some 160-200eu fares on AMS-SVO-IST. I just don't have the money for it as I'm saving it for the final BG DC-10 flight..
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:21 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
Also have to keep in mind that many Aeroflot accidents on domestic routes may not have been reported during the Soviet era.

Why wouldn't they be? Military is possible, sure but civilian crashes have no need to be covered up. And if people have died the word will come out anyway from the victim's families. Records exist for almost every single airframe of the bigger types (Tupolevs, Il-18, 62, etc..) and their fates are known.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:49 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
Also have to keep in mind that many Aeroflot accidents on domestic routes may not have been reported during the Soviet era.

I just don't get it why people try to tarnish the image of everything not made in the West. If you have any proof of this please provide it, but don't cast doubts just because this achievement doesn't belong to any Western manufacturer.

Other airliners just can dream to have such a record, as much as people try to spin around per hour/per seat/per year statistics, the truth is this airliner family has 0 pax. fatalities per hour, mile, etc. you want to throw at it, and very likely will be retired with such an honor. If we add the IL-86 as part of this family it just makes it look even better with a lifespan of 30 years without a single pax. fatality.

I'd just imagine if this was an A or B airliner the kind of publicity this would create. Probably just Airbus can match it with the A340.

Hats off to Ilyushin Design Bureau on designing the safest airliner ever built, and I am saying this based purely on facts.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:37 pm

how old are these birds?
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:57 am

RA-96005 manufactured in 1991 22 years and 8 months old, used to perform certification tests for commercial service.
RA-96007 manufactured in 1992, 21 years and 1 month old
RA-96008 manufactured in 1993, 20 years and 6 months old
RA-96010 manufactured in 1994, 19 years and 4 months old
RA-96011 manufactured in 1993, 19 years and 3 months old
RA-96015 manufactured in 1995, 18 years and 1 month old

Interesting to see the airframe was designed for 70,000 cycles and 20 years, although most of them are around only about 70% of their total cycles, others as low as 50%.

BTW, all the ex Polet Cargo IL-96-400T are now in the VASO plant undergoing conversion for Cubana. So I guess there's still life after the IL-96-300 for the type in the pax.service.

A fourth 400T is being converted to IL-96-400-VPU which is the code used for Rossiya's Air Force One fleet.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:14 am

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 26):
Sadly the aircraft was a victim of the collapse of the USSR. Had that not happened I am sure hundreds would have been made.

Yes I think you are right there, during the Soviet era, those countrys that where in the Warsaw pact had to by Russian built aircraft with the exception of the then Yugoslavia, and Romiania. Do you think Russia has a futrue building aircraft now?
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:48 pm

Does anyone know whether Russian President still uses IL9 for his overseas travelling?
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:59 pm

Quoting PalfromYWG (Reply 39):

Of course. Not much else he can use other than a Tu204-300 or the Tu214 that is in the Special Flight Regiment's fleet. Or the IL-62 that is also used but is rarely flown with the introduction of Tu204's in the two years.

The President normally uses RA-96016 with 96012 (older one) used as the backup and for the Prime Minister.

None of the other aircraft IL-96's (96018, 96019, if Im not mistaken) are meant for use by the President/Prime Minister as they are regular IL96's with just a different cabin layout. These are used by official delegations but lower level or accompanying individuals. You will note that they do not have a "racetrack" on top of the fuselage and no extra antennas unlike 96012 and 96016, one of the IL62's and one of the Tu204's. There are also some additional fuel tanks and other special stuff.
The "racetracks" contain some special communication and control equipment much like the US AF1 which permits the President or the Prime Minister to always be in contact and should the need arise - to deploy some "goodies" (ICBMs) from anywhere in the world.
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:33 pm

Quoting airevents (Reply 29):
I need an attractive fare for a transfer connection via Moscow to any place in Western Europe.

Be careful with booking on Aeroflot. I booked two separate tickets Donesk-SVO, then SVO-IST. If I'd booked the same flights as a single (connecting) ticket, it would have cost about $200 more. Very strange. The only problem was the check-in people at DOK found it difficult to check my bags through, but the supervisor finally worked it out.

WARNING: Go on-line to do your seat selection 24 hours before the flight (can't do it any other way). I just returned again on IL-96 to SVO from IST. 2 hours after online check-in opened, 41 seats had gone, including all the front section windows. Avoid row 8 - no window. Occasionally, IST-SVO can be changed to 763 or A330, if you are unlucky. I think they only have 3x IL-96 left flying.

I will post a TR for IL-96 and Sukhoi 100 soon.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:51 pm

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 35):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
Also have to keep in mind that many Aeroflot accidents on domestic routes may not have been reported during the Soviet era.

I just don't get it why people try to tarnish the image of everything not made in the West. If you have any proof of this please provide it, but don't cast doubts just because this achievement doesn't belong to any Western manufacturer.

iI was referring to safety in general during the Soviet era, not to the IL-96 which didn't go into service until after the Soviet Union ceased to exist. There are many references to lack of information and accident reports on accidents on domestic routes during the Soviet period. Also have to keep in mind that during that period various divisions of Aeroflot were responsible for virtually all aviation activities from crop dusting to international airline service.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:15 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 42):
iI was referring to safety in general during the Soviet era, not to the IL-96 which didn't go into service until after the Soviet Union ceased to exist. There are many references to lack of information and accident reports on accidents on domestic routes during the Soviet period. Also have to keep in mind that during that period various divisions of Aeroflot were responsible for virtually all aviation activities from crop dusting to international airline service.

Please provide proof that there was any IL-86 accident as well, since we are talking now about Soviet times.
As a matter of fact the IL-86 record is just better than that of the IL-96.
 
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RE: Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:24 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 42):
http://www.airdisaster.ru/
Have fun. Everything from An-2's to IL-62's. Information before 1955 is not complete.
Most occurrences also have the summary from the official report included in it.
Unfortunately it is in Russian. But you can get a plugin for your browser.

To note, level of incompetence surprised me a bit. Not many technical faults. Looked through all of the Tu154 incidents from 1988-1991. Half the accidents/crashes were due to a crappy unstabilized approach --> no calling go-around and trying to catch the glislope from 1nm out --> coming in at 7.5m/s (1500fpm) on short final --> realizing mistake in the last 1,5-3sec, pulling back on controls --> hitting runway at 5m/s (1000fpm) on the nose gear or all 3 with a deceleration of 5G's --> aircraft breaking into 3 parts. I counted 4 such crashes in the 3 years. Exact same scenario...
Surprisingly not many fatalities in these accidents.

[Edited 2014-01-05 22:40:49]
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RE: Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:31 pm

Very interesting link, but I still could not find any IL-86 accidents...because there weren't any.

Thanks for the link anyways.
 
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RE: Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:28 pm

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 45):

I think you meant IL-96.

IL-86:
http://www.airdisaster.ru/database.php?id=13
Just this one that we all know about - Pulkovo on a ferry flight on takeoff from SVO in 2002.

Of course you are correct.
However there were a couple to non-fatal accidents with the IL86/IL96's. Had nothing to do with the plane and the outcome actually speaks for its design.
http://www.airdisaster.ru/database.php?id=1356
February 1999 at Moscow-Vnukovo.
Presidential IL96 with President Yeltsin aboard coming back from Jordan during taxi hit an Italian Air Force DC-9 that was parked hell-knows-how on the apron.
IL9's wing tip sliced up the DC-9's horizontal and vertical stab, DC9 was a write off (which was waiting for the Italian Delegation with the Prime Minister to go back to Rome), IL-96 recieved light damage and was quickly repaired still flies the President today.
Director of GTK Rossiya gets fired (At that time they were responsible for state travel and the VIP ramp at VKO.)


http://www.airdisaster.ru/database.php?id=215
There was also the Aeroflot IL86 that landed on its belly in Dubai when the crew shut off the gear horn as it was distracting during their steep approach and forgot to turn it on or lower the gear later.
Engine 2 and 3 suffered damage but the aircraft recieved light damage. However Aeroflot was phasing them out in the near future and scrapped it.
I believe a bunch of people at Aeroflot were fired for this one. Flight Director, Training Director, IL86 Chief Pilot...

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RE: Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:50 pm

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 43):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 42):
iI was referring to safety in general during the Soviet era, not to the IL-96 which didn't go into service until after the Soviet Union ceased to exist. There are many references to lack of information and accident reports on accidents on domestic routes during the Soviet period. Also have to keep in mind that during that period various divisions of Aeroflot were responsible for virtually all aviation activities from crop dusting to international airline service.

Please provide proof that there was any IL-86 accident as well, since we are talking now about Soviet times.
As a matter of fact the IL-86 record is just better than that of the IL-96.

I only referred to the IL-96 since that's the subject of this thread.
 
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RE: Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:34 pm

I just booked a ZRH-SVO-IST trip for 252€. Looking forward to it. Online booking engine showed IL96 on the 11.25 departure from Moscow on all dates I checked in Jan/Feb (and flightstats.com confirms that at least the last 10 days were always on the IL96).

Will be a nice weekend trip: Friday late night ZRH-SVO, a few hours there in the early morning, a Saturday afternoon flight to IST, evening and next day spent in Istanbul, and then IST-ZRH on TK on Sunday evening. TR might follow later. Now I hope for no equipment changes.
 
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RE: Aeroflot IL96 In 2014 / Final 6 Months

Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:48 pm

Some good offers from Germany. Both DUS and SXF have redeye flights to SVO making for a convenient connection to the 11:25 departure to IST.

Friday 7 February
MUC 22:50 - 04:50 SVO A321
Saturday 8 February
SVO 11:25 - 12:45 IST IL96
Sunday 9 February
IST 14:05 - 19:20 SVO IL96
SVO 21:15 - 21:40 DUS A320

Total: €277. DUS, SXF, MUC and FRA can all be combined depending on your preference.

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