KKMolokai
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AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 3:38 am

I was in Moscow, Russia last week, and found out that AA has plans to open an office there, and begin nonstop service to Moscow in 2002.

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SR3496
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 3:42 am

from where? Chicago?
 
KKMolokai
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 6:18 am

Not sure really ... didn't think to ask. I'm assuming it'll be from either DFW or ORD though, and probably using a 777 on the route.

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CannedSpam
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 6:55 am

Who told you that?
 
clipper001
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 7:26 am

A few years ago AA applied for Chicago-Moscow service using a 777. I don't know if it was ever approved.
 
AA@DFW
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 8:27 am

I have heard the same thing KKMolokai. That rumor was spreading for a while, I haven't heard much about it lately, but I do know that they have plans to start service there (the date, however, I am not aware of). 2002 sounds accurate though.

What else have you heard about their office over there?
 
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 8:51 am

i think the 777 is way too big. Aeroflot (SU) is using a 3 times weekly 767-300ER and those are about 1/2 full all the time (says my grandma, mom and grandpa who have flown on SU 330 and 329 in all seasons for about 4 years now) AA should us ethe 767-300ER as well because even BA with twice daily flights is getting 1/2 full. LH is using a twice daily 737-500 to FRA and a once daily A320 to MUC, along with a once daily 737-500 to TGL. Air France is using a once daily 737-500. Sabena is using a daily (except sunday) 737-300. This shows that Moscow has very low yeilds. AA cannot possibly make money once daily 777 when other airlines cant fill a 757 (BA)

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If I were AA i would use the 767-300ER or a MD-11 with a stop somewhere in europe?

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777gk
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 8:58 am

A rumor has been around a few times that we (CO) will exercise our options on the 762 and begin service to Moscow in 2002/3. I think it could work with a 762, even a 764 may be too big!
 
blink182
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 9:30 am

I have heard the same thing about AA, I think American will start the service with a 767-200 since the yields aren't that high but it is a city that needs to be served. I have heard it will be from Chicago(sounds surprising eh?  )
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 9:47 am

AA withdrew service before it got started to Moscow and AMS out of ORD they were planning on using a 767-200 on both routes to start and they would put bigger aircraft on those routes if they took off..
 
ishky15
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RE: 777gk

Thu Nov 02, 2000 11:20 am

Does Continental have any plans to excercise orders for 777s? They sure do need some more.
 
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Twa902

Thu Nov 02, 2000 11:30 am

twa, i thought Sn uses the 73S to Moscow and AF uses the 733 to Moscow and LH the 733 from Munich. Just checkin in. adios.
 
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 11:34 am

Yeah if their was a route it would most likely be from ORD or JFK, although recently AA has sort of neglected JFK while DL has built up a formidable trans Atlantic operation. I hesitate in thinking DFW is the gateway.
 
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RE: TWAneedsNOhelp

Thu Nov 02, 2000 12:04 pm

American is really building up DFW as an international gateway but Moscow is a route that I would start from Chicago since it has a better chance there, if it does well in Chicago, American might add a second flight from DFW. I agree, for sure it is not gonna be DFW where the moscow is first served from.
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 12:29 pm

Aeroflot may be getting low load factors on the ORD-SVO route just because of the fact that they are Aeroflot (reputation wise). I am sure AA would get higher load factors considering the hub in ORD, the large eastern european population in Chicago, and their reputation, compared to that of aeroflot.
I also remember the route application, it was for ORD-SVO with a 763.
 
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 2:22 pm

I think it's better to start a JFK-Moscow and ORD-Moscow considering there is a huge russian population in these two cities. I don't know how many Russian imigrants live in Texas but probably not that many like NY or Chicago fo a DFW-Moscow route to be profitable.
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 2:25 pm

Any possibility of AA doing Inida like LAX-DEL,BOM or even routes like ORD-DEL,BOM or even JFK-DEL/BOM considering all three of these cities have huge Indian populations.
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ContinentalEWR
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Thu Nov 02, 2000 10:30 pm

Not likely in the near future. AA won't even touch JFK-TLV although it is hugely profitable and AA has the a/c
to do it. American is too conservative in its route
planning and development overseas. AA really should
be ahead of the pack in operating service to India,
Israel, and Russia. Instead, it will be Continental or
United that will get there first.

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SR3496
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Fri Nov 03, 2000 1:28 am

Swissair fly twice a day from ZRH and once from Geneva to Moskva (using A320).
 
papatango
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Fri Nov 03, 2000 2:16 am

DELTA flys a daily 767-300er jfk svo and also has jfk fra bom service and will add fra del in june 2001
 
Grasshopper
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Russian Population In North America

Fri Nov 03, 2000 4:54 am

New York has the largest Russian population, with 500000+, but actually LA comes second, with about 300000. Chicago has the third largest, about the same as San Francisco with about 120000. Follow by Boston...
For Polish, Chicago has about 850000, follow by New York City and Detriot with about 500000.
In Canada, the largest Russian population is actually in Vancouver, than Toronto. But I think both city has less than 25000. But Toronto has an Ukrainian population of about 100000, the largest in North America.
 
RIX
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RE: Russian Population In North America

Fri Nov 03, 2000 5:26 am

Those "Russians" in NY,... are not exactly Russians, they are emigrants from the former USSR. It is far from being the same, at least because many (if not most) of them are not from Russia, so they are not so interested in direct JFK-SVO flight.
 
777gk
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RE: AA To Moscow, Russia

Fri Nov 03, 2000 6:24 am

Currently Continental does have a number of options for the 777. It's just that I can't really think of them right now! Hahaha, I'm getting old! Anyway, we will need more 777s for the 12 more European destinations Houston is saying that we'll begin service to.
 
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Grasshopper

Fri Nov 03, 2000 12:44 pm

May I ask where you got your statistics from? Not that I don't believe you, but I find them very interesting. I'd like to know the ethnic make-up of major cities, that's all.
 
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RE: Grasshopper

Fri Nov 03, 2000 1:01 pm

that informations are from references in the library at ETH. but there's a site govinfo.library.orst.edu/stateis.html which i think are the same, actually those report at ETH are taken from that 1990 census. Some of the info i got are from the GIS program few years back.