SA7700
Topic Author
Posts: 2940
Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:38 pm

Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:42 pm

In order to accommodate Boeing and Airbus orders for 2014, a new thread is now open for discussion. Part 3 of the 2013 is available here:

Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2013 - Part 3 (by SA7700 Dec 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)?nocache

Enjoy the forums!  

Regards,

SA7700
When you are doing stuff that nobody has done before, there is no manual – Kevin McCloud (Grand Designs)
 
redrooster3
Posts: 222
Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:35 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:45 pm

To kick off this thread, here is the first announced order for 2014. Reuters - Air Algerie signs deals to buy Airbus, Boeing jets

Quote:

* Deals to strengthen domestic, international routes

* Boeing purchase for 737-800 jets, $724 million cost

* Air Algerie facing rivalries on foreign routes

- The order is also for 3 three A330-200s. They will finance with the Algerian state banks.
- Deliveries starting September 2014 through end of 2016.
The only thing you should change about a woman is her last name.
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:48 pm

The Airbus order might be booked in 2013, we have to wait until next Monday.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
racercoup
Posts: 350
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:48 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:14 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):

The Airbus order might be booked in 2013, we have to wait until next Monday.

Boeing listed this Air Algerie order under 2013 today.
 
AAplat4life
Posts: 254
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:14 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:40 pm

Just noticed that the EK 777 order was not booked for 2013, and so that should give Boeing a good head-start into 2014.
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:52 am

Singapore Airlines-Tata joint venture orders 20x A320 aircraft.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...s-sources/articleshow/28579582.cms

[Edited 2014-01-09 00:53:44]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
india1
Posts: 241
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:06 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:56 am

@ Karel - the article says they're going to be leased, so it won't be a new order as such, methinks
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:00 am

Quoting india1 (Reply 6):
so it won't be a new order as such, methinks

We don't know, perhaps we will see a new order from a lessor.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
chiad
Posts: 984
Joined: Tue May 16, 2006 4:24 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:20 pm

With the current activity and commitments to be firmed up 2014 seems to be very promising order-wise for Airbus and Boeing.
I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see another year with 1000 with both manufactures.

Deliveries should reach record levels as well.
Does anyone know if Airbus or Boeing has published their goals for deliveries?
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:26 pm

Quoting chiad (Reply 8):
Does anyone know if Airbus or Boeing has published their goals for deliveries?

Boeing will publish those numbers at the end of the month, Airbus will do it next Monday.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13242
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:45 pm

Quoting chiad (Reply 8):
Does anyone know if Airbus or Boeing has published their goals for deliveries?

I would expect Airbus's target to be around 660, Boeing's should be somewhat higher if they can smooth out 787 deliveries.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
travelhound
Posts: 1112
Joined: Fri May 23, 2008 9:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:55 pm

Boeing Numbers (at a guess) on current production rates

737 - 504 (42/month)
747 - 18 (1.5/month)
767 - 21 (1.75/month)
777 - 100 (8.33/month)
787 - 100 (10/month - uncertainty)

Total - 743 Aircraft.

included in this total are military aircraft.
 
User avatar
kanban
Posts: 3642
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:00 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:26 pm

Dang.. the thread is about new orders, and it took 11 posts to clutter it up with leases, 2013 data and production forecasters..
Let's just keep this on for announced sales by the manufacturers.. otherwise it wanders into rumor and wishing.
 
N14AZ
Posts: 1960
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:19 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:10 pm

From the previous thread, quoting Flood:

Quote:
Per Airbus' order spreadsheet QR has apparently converted its order for six A319neo to five A320neo.
Initially reported by flightglobal pro which I don't subscribe to, so I'm not aware of any other details.

A German aviation magazine is now reporting that QR has converted all of their 19 A 319NEO orders into 320NEO orders, meaning the launch customer for this version is not interested any longer in this version. Out of all NEO orders just 1% is for 319NEOs.
 
racercoup
Posts: 350
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:48 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:56 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 10):
would expect Airbus's target to be around 660, Boeing's should be somewhat higher if they can smooth out 787 deliveries.

I put Airbus at under 640 and Boeing conservatively at 730. By value the picture tilts heavier towards Boeing as 78% of Airbus deliveries are single aisle compared to 68% at Boeing. Boeing's deliveries will be worth about 25% more in dollar volume than Airbus this year. I don't see this changing until the A350 gets up to speed in several years time.
 
ist2014
Posts: 184
Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:43 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:03 pm

i think there will be increase in propotion of NB at both of B&A when we have max and neo deliveries
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting travelhound (Reply 11):
Boeing Numbers (at a guess) on current production rates

737 - 504 (42/month)

B737 production rate will hit 42 per month in the coming months, current rate is 38.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:17 am

I just noticed 8 unidentified 777 orders that appeared for the first time on the December report. Anyone have an idea on who these are for?

tortugamon
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:28 am

Weren't those for Air China?
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:36 pm

Undisclosed 100-aircraft order comprises 15 A319, 65 A320 and 20 A321, a mix of both current and re-engined versions. #airbus
http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/422679891293650945

tortugamon
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:39 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
15 A319, 65 A320 and 20 A321

I have seen those numbers before, Air China and Shenzen?
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
AustrianZRH
Posts: 844
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:55 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:41 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
Undisclosed 100-aircraft order comprises 15 A319, 65 A320 and 20 A321, a mix of both current and re-engined versions. #airbus

I think this could also refer to the 100 UFOs booked still in December 2013 which JL referred to in his press statement!
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:42 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
Weren't those for Air China?

Those are already disclosed on the O&D report:

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Incidentally I thought that order was for 7 77Fs and 1 77W but Boeing has them all going to Air China cargo.

tortugamon
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:47 pm

Interesting news: "Airbus reached 1,619 gross orders, 11 more than in the previous record year of 2011 and 88 more than Boeing received in 2013. Net orders (1,503) were also above the previous high mark."
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_01_13_2014_p0-653903.xml

So by Boeing not firming the EK order Airbus won the order race in a battle that I am not sure they are really fighting. Very close year. Unbelievable numbers.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
I have seen those numbers before, Air China and Shenzen?

Could be. It would make sense as that is how China orders come up at Airbus.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 21):
I think this could also refer to the 100 UFOs booked still in December 2013 which JL referred to in his press statement!

It is the very same.  

tortugamon
 
N14AZ
Posts: 1960
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:19 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:01 pm

Airbus deleted the Kingfisher A 350 and A 380 orders from their list of orders. It was for 5 A 380, don't remember the number of A 350s.
 
User avatar
EPA001
Posts: 3784
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:09 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23):
So by Boeing not firming the EK order Airbus won the order race in a battle that I am not sure they are really fighting. Very close year. Unbelievable numbers.

Almost unbelievable indeed. And very good for both OEM's.  .

Since the EK B777-X order was not finalised in 2013 Boeing will have a huge head start for 2014 in the WB-market.  

[Edited 2014-01-13 10:25:52]
 
User avatar
Stitch
Posts: 22947
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:26 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:18 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 24):
Airbus deleted the Kingfisher A 350 and A 380 orders from their list of orders. It was for 5 A 380, don't remember the number of A 350s.

5 x A350-800
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:59 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 25):
Since the EK B777-X order was not finalised in 2013 Boeing will have a huge head start for 2014 in the WB-market.

Challenge accepted   
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
EPA001
Posts: 3784
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:02 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
Challenge accepted  

  Not sure that I am challenging you.   I like to see as many orders for all OEM's, though I have a bit softer spot for Airbus and RR. I'll admit that.  
 
User avatar
kanban
Posts: 3642
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:00 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:10 pm

OK first Boeing sale of 2014
per Yahoo Finance
Boeing and Alaska Airlines (ALK) complete Boeing's first firm airplane order of 2014 for two additional 737-900ER (Extended Range) airplanes; Boeing directly delivers Alaska's 100th Next-Generation 737 (BA) : Co and Alaska Airlines (ALK) completed Boeing's first firm airplane order of 2014 for two additional 737-900ER (Extended Range) airplanes. The agreement, worth $192 million at current list prices, coincides with today's direct delivery of the 100th Next-Generation 737 airplane to Alaska Airlines.

edit: add Boeing Media report with all the usual blah blah blah
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-01-...ivery-of-100th-Next-Generation-737

[Edited 2014-01-14 15:12:32]

[Edited 2014-01-14 15:13:04]
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:52 pm

Boeing adds 10 new orders to the book: 8x Air Algerie (737) and 2x Alaska Airlines (737).

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
kengo
Posts: 187
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:04 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:08 pm

Per Reuters, GECAS may order mix of 40 737MAXs and 737-800s.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gecas-may-order-40-boeing-110052138.html
 
phxa340
Posts: 985
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:07 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting Kengo (Reply 31):
Per Reuters, GECAS may order mix of 40 737MAXs and 737-800s.

Confirmed.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireS...g-confirm-order-40-planes-21602492
 
kengo
Posts: 187
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:04 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 32):

My apology...looks as if this order was booked last year but announced today.
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:19 am

Quoting Kengo (Reply 31):
Per Reuters, GECAS may order mix of 40 737MAXs and 737-800s.

That order was booked in 2013 as "unidentified customer", so it seems.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-01-...7-MAXs-and-20-Next-Generation-737s
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
Finn350
Posts: 1035
Joined: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:57 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:11 pm

According to Reuters, Doric expects to complete Airbus A380 order "soon".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...inance-doric-idUSL5N0KU38E20140120
 
User avatar
kanban
Posts: 3642
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:00 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:08 pm

From the Boeing orders and deliveries page
"Changes since last update: 23 new orders (Unidentified Customer(s) 20 737s and Jackson Square Aviation three 737s). In the changes category, reduce 737 net orders by three."
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:11 am

In December 2012 and August 2013 there were 77W unidentified orders for 30 and 7 units respectively. I assume the 30 units are for Chinese carriers to be doled out later? Can anyone confirm either of these?

thanks,

tortugamon
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:14 pm

I recall reading both orders are for the Chinese market.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
Hamlet69
Posts: 2460
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2000 2:45 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:42 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 37):
In December 2012 and August 2013 there were 77W unidentified orders for 30 and 7 units respectively. I assume the 30 units are for Chinese carriers to be doled out later? Can anyone confirm either of these?

Yes. Should be MU for 20 and CZ for 10 (though I might have that reversed). In fact, CZ's first frame just rolled out at PAE. The other order for 7 should be QR.

Hamlet69
Honor the warriors, not the war.
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:47 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 39):
The other order for 7 should be QR.

Those 7 are for Air China I believe.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:58 pm

CAPA has 20 going to China Eastern and 10 going to China Southern and they don't show up and Boeing's O&D report so I suspect we have the answer on the 30 unit order.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ina-eastern--china-southern-147480

The 7 unit order is more of a toss up. CAPA also has a 7 unit order for EVA and I know QR made an order for 7 units at Le Bourget so I am still not sure. I can't find the 7-unit order for Air China Karel.

tortugamon
 
Hamlet69
Posts: 2460
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2000 2:45 am

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 40):

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 39):
The other order for 7 should be QR.

Those 7 are for Air China I believe.

Sure you're not thinking of the 8 F's they got from CX? When Boeing booked that order, it was listed as UFO for a while, and only 'disclosed' them last month.

Otherwise I haven't heard of CA taking 7 more 77W, although it wouldn't surprise me, either.

Hamlet69
Honor the warriors, not the war.
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:33 am

Lion Air converts 787 order into narrow-bodies.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...onair-boeing-idUSBREA0Q0AM20140127

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 41):
I can't find the 7-unit order for Air China Karel.
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 42):
Sure you're not thinking of the 8 F's they got from CX?

I must have been confused, apologies.

[Edited 2014-01-27 00:58:30]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
PlanesNTrains
Posts: 5360
Joined: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:19 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:41 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 43):
Lion Air converts 787 order into narrow-bodies.http://t.co/rMxWoaLjgQ (subscription required)

Does it say how many 737's or what variants they'll be getting? Any suggestion on what type of widebody they'll go for next? I'm guessing A333.

-Dave
-Dave
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:01 am

I have updated my post with a link which does not require a subscription.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:06 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 44):
I'm guessing A333.

9 abreast A330 Regionals do make sense. I wonder which is cheaper. Cebu's 436 seat A330 may get a run for its money.

tortugamon
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19516
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:00 am

If they want something bigger, they could convert the order into -9s. That said, I guess it would push deliveries into the 2020s due to the large 787 backlog. If they want sometime in the short term, the A330 regional with 400 seats might suit them well.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13242
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:29 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
If they want something bigger, they could convert the order into -9s.

I would have thought -10s would be better for them, but then the wait would be even longer as well.

I can see them ordering A333s now and then 787-10s at a later date.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
User avatar
PM
Posts: 4820
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:05 pm

RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders - 2014 - Part 1

Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:53 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 43):
Lion Air converts 787 order into narrow-bodies.

Boeing are going to have to try again to find homes for those early sometime ANA planes...