Marco
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United B744 OP

Fri Nov 03, 2000 8:41 pm

Hi,

I was looking through a United Airlines tinetable and I saw an airplane configured with 123 business class seats and 36 first class seats and just 142 economy seats! Weird configuration! I heard it is used on the JFK-NRT service...are there that many biz travellers on that route? what other routes is this configuration used on? They must make a bundle of money because of this configuration, am I right? If anyone here has been on business class on this plane, didn't it feel uncomfortable having such a big biz class? It must feel like economy!

Regards!
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ContinentalEWR
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RE: United B744 OP

Fri Nov 03, 2000 10:14 pm

I have flown on this very aircraft type and its predecessor. The 747-200, which was configured with
many more business class seats that economy. For
the -200's the reason was economics and operational
performance. The UA -200's had trouble reaching NRT
in winter. The two times I flew this route, we had to
stop in Sapporo for fuel and then continue on to NRT.
There is a huge business market that uses this flight.
The reason for the lower capacity has to do with the
weight and range. The -400 though should be able to
make it on a full tank of fuel with 350+ pax. It was
designed for that.

ContinentalEWR
 
Airbus Lover
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RE: United B744 OP

Fri Nov 03, 2000 11:01 pm

talking about ranges...my dad told me that some 20 years ago, he alwaz take the flight from LAX to HKG.
that time TWA/PanAm/UA (i forgot which one) used the 747SP and that time was said to be able to complete the flight nonstop. but in fact it couldn't. once it met with headwinds, it has to stop in TPE for refuel. my dad took this flight more than 3 times a month. so once there is headwinds, the fuel would be out.....today we have great planes that can easily do this route and every farther- such as the 744 with even more pax.; the 340 and 777; can the 330-200 do this? coz in Airbus's page they said the 332 can fly from SIN to Anchorage nonstop........i doubt
 
Marco
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ContinentalEWR

Sat Nov 04, 2000 12:08 am

Wow thats very interesting...american airlines (delta, united, continental, american airlines) love flying to japan with high frequencies and large aircraft, they must make good money on japanese flights!
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Guest

RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 12:49 am

UA also used it on the ORD-NRT route. A few years ago we got to O'Hare a couple hours early for our nonstop DC10-30 flight to HNL, & there was a 747-400 parked at the gate next to ours. My mom is a f/a for UA and had her ID so we went on it. I recognized it as the OP as only Zone E (between doors 4L/R & 5L/R) was economy.
 
The777Man
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 1:10 am

United Airlines has (had??) seven of these 747-400 OP. These were the first 747-400s delivered to UA. I think UA may get rid of this configuration but I'd like to hear more on that. Perhaps KonaB777, ILUV767 or FLY777UAL has some more info on this? Yes, it's kind of funny when you sit in 32A and you are still in Business class. Same for First class that goes until row 7. The777Man
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 2:13 am

United is getting rid of the OP configuration, the planes will then have the OB configuration.
 
FLY777UAL
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 4:46 am

There are only, I believe, 5 or 6 aircraft left in the "OP" configuration. The converted ones have been switched to the "OB" with United First Suite.

The -200 YJ (the -200 version of the "OP") never had more Business than Economy, though, as COEWR incorrectly stated.

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FLY777UAL
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 4:48 am

Furthermore, the -200YJ aircraft (which have since been retired) I believe came from Braniff, and were all equipped with the "L" shaped stairs to the Upper Deck.

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mel
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 6:00 am

I've noticed the loads on the 744 OP flights JFK-NRT are really strange. Often Business is oversold, coach is 75% full, and First Class is only booked to about 3 people. I've noticed this on several occassions. What other routes does UA use this aircraft on? They only need 2 to do daily JFK-NRT, but if they still have 5 or 6, where do the others fly to?
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JumboClassic
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 8:06 am

I thought UA used the -OPs for ORD - HKG because of weight restrictions. If they get rid of this configuration, what A/C will fly the route?
 
FLY777UAL
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 8:27 am

The OB configurations have been flying both the ORD-HKG and JFK-NRT flights (selected ones, I believe) for quite a while now. The 70-seat difference really doesn't have too much of an effect. I think that the -400OB's operating ORD-HKG and JFK-NRT have additional performance enhancing items (higher thrust, etc.), but are still the chosen few of the -400 fleet with the best performance.

For a while, SFO-NRT was being operated with the OP, as was SFO-KOA...

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ILUV767
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 10:09 am

They have also flown them domesticly. i flew one in march from ORD to SFO. Every seat was taken. I was the last S/A to board!

All of UAL's 747-400s are getting the new sleeper seats in firsat, and PTV's in coach! The third 747 will come out of Oakland maintence base in about a week, with PTV's for every passenger!

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The777Man
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 1:30 pm

I just have a few comments. The 747-200B YJ were specificaly built for United Airlines for JFK-NRT and delivered in 1988. The OP has also flown LAX-NRT, LAX-HKG and ORD-LAX. The were flown quite a while on ORD-NRT were they really needed the capacity for First and Business class. I'm very happy to hear about the PTVs in economy class. Will those planes have a new nose number configuration? I know the First Suite have 80XX as nose number. The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
UAL Bagsmasher
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 2:27 pm

UA has 3 B747-400's in the OP configuration. My information is correct as of October 31, 2000. I am flying on one of the OP cofigured aircraft tomarrow morning from ORD-DEN and then on to SFO.
 
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 2:56 pm

So how many OPs are there left? When are they getting rid of this OP configuration completely?

Its great to hear that UAL is install PTVs on every single seats on its 744s. However, when will this be completely done?
 
TurbineBeaver
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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 5:47 pm

Whats the difference between OP and OB?

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RE: United B744 OP

Sat Nov 04, 2000 8:14 pm

OP has the old seats and a large Business class
OB has First Suite, sleeper seats on some and new BC with 84 pax

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