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A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:00 am

As part 13 became quite long, it was locked down for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in this thread.

Part 13 can be found here:

A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 13 (by SA7700 Feb 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:24 am

The previous thread has been closed, I'll re-post my last message:

First pictures of MSN4 have been added to the database:


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Quoting StTim:

I presume a lot of the certification is not reliant on the battery type and only those that are will need to be covered by MSN0001 and 5.

MSN5 will be used for the certification flights with the EASA, route proving etc. The battery certification can be done with both MSN 1 and 5.

As MSN1 already completed 85% of if flying hours target, there is enough time to upgrade the a/c. It's always better to have a backup on standby.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:34 pm

It seems MSN3 flew a "weird" path today.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh-FLLtCIAAMxlq.png:large

http://twitter.com/A350fans/status/441217715668131840/photo/1
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:42 pm

'Airshow practice' flight path maybe?
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:26 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
As MSN1 already completed 85% of if flying hours target, there is enough time to upgrade the a/c. It's always better to have a backup on standby.

I would think MSN3 is also closing in on that percentage when it comes to the level of completion of the flight tests planned for that test plane as well?

And the smoothness of the program has given Airbus the opportunity to take their time with MSN1. To have a backup standing by is always a good thing at this stage of the flight testing.  
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:26 pm

Next flight for MSN3:

http://fr24.com/AIB97GG
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:28 pm

I'm so glad to see we are now on thread #14

Thread 13 had me worried  
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:21 pm

A photo of MSN4 taken today. Is it me or does this looks like a very sharp takeoff?


msn4 5/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB04NW 5/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:55 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
A photo of MSN4 taken today. Is it me or does this looks like a very sharp takeoff

Probably testing the control laws that prevent a tailstrike. These are test flights.

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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:18 am

Quoting StTim (Reply 250):
Also has official certification flying started yet?

I do not think so, it is from what I understand due to start within the next 2 weeks. One of the aircraft is going to Hamburg for 2 weeks, that should be an indication it has started. In terms of hours, Airbus has presented some slides which give an indication of how much development and certification flying is planned for each airframe.

Numerous systems were already test flown prior to the A350 first flight, not all the testing will need to be demonstrated on the A350, the certification process is like an iceberg, the visible test flying is only part of it, a lot of aircraft is already met certification requirements, e.g. wing bending tests.

I assume that both battery types will be certified, the 787 solution is basically what Airbus already had on the A350. They are going for NiCad as a risk mitigation measure as they did not know how regulators would react to the Li issue.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:20 am

NiCad will be certified - Li may later according to Alonso.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:30 am

Certification flights should start when the MSN1 upgrade is completed.

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
One of the aircraft is going to Hamburg for 2 weeks, that should be an indication it has started.

I guess that will be MSN2, for cabin evacuation tests etc.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:59 am

> AIB98GG is flying over the Balearic Sea
> AIB003CF airborne at 8:59UTC
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
> AIB98GG is flying over the Balearic Sea

=> landed at 13:15UTC
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:58 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
I guess that will be MSN2, for cabin evacuation tests etc.

Any ideas why Airbus wasn't granted an exemption like Boeing?
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:07 pm

CF back at 18h13LT

some photos :

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2065/12973990714_cc1608a8d5_c.jpg

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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:47 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 14):
Any ideas why Airbus wasn't granted an exemption like Boeing?

Can a new passenger aircraft type be exempted from pax evacuation testing?
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:51 pm

A350 size is not unique, layout isn't unique, doors I bet are standard. I wonder if an evacuation test will really tell them much. I am sure the individual cabin alyouts will have a bigger influence on evacuation times.

The A380 however definitely required an evacuation test.

Interesting to find out.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:09 pm

Long flight, 9h+? for CF.

Quoting hivue (Reply 16):
Can a new passenger aircraft type be exempted from pax evacuation testing?

If I remember correctly, wasn't Boeing granted exemption on the 787 on the basis that since it carries about the same amount of passengers as the 767 had been tested to(?) and has more or less the same amount of doors, they had sufficiently proven it can be evacuated in time, so there's no need to do a 787 evac test. My recollection is probably not 100% and there's probably more to the story, but I think that's more or less it.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:28 pm

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 18):
If I remember correctly, wasn't Boeing granted exemption on the 787 on the basis that since it carries about the same amount of passengers as the 767 had been tested to(?)

Looks like you are correct:
http://news.travelling.gr/2013/11/em...evacuation-a380-boeing-777-videos/
"Boeing avoided having to certify their new flagship 787 Dreamliner for rapid evacuation because it was determined to be similar enough in configuration to the Boeing 767."

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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:35 pm

Today's flights:


msn3 6/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


msn2 6/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB03CF 6/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB003CF by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr


AIB003CF by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:53 am

AIB01GG just departed from TLS.

http://fr24.com/AIB01GG
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:50 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
AIB01GG just departed from TLS.

The raccoon landed at 14:49UTC.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:46 pm

A nice close-up of the MSN2 landing configuration:


Airbus A350-900 F-WWCF cn 002 by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:42 pm

Hi there,

has any news emerged concerning the performance of the cabin systems? Or what exactly they are testing now concerning the cabin?

Cheers

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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:14 pm

Interestingly, MSN004 looks like it'll be visiting Spain tomorrow.
AIB06NW is currently planned for a short hop Seville-Moron around midday. It'll obviously still have to fly down there in the morning.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:20 am

MSN002 is also heading out in a couple of hours. Going to Finkenwerder as AIB01CF.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:54 am

AIB10GG is on the move, it seems we will have three aircraft into the air today.

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 25):
Seville-Moron

The A380 went to Seville-Moron for noise tests.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbu...dustrie/Airbus-A380-841/0947837/M/

[Edited 2014-03-10 01:37:51]
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:09 am

AIB10GG airborne at 9:08UTC.

http://fr24.com/AIB10GG

AIB06NW is also visible and on the move.

http://planefinder.net/flight/AIB06NW
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:10 am

AIB10GG with take-off at 09:09 UTC today.

Ok, Karel was quicker with 09:08 UTC.

[Edited 2014-03-10 02:16:26]
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:13 am

AIB04CF is also lining-up.

http://fr24.com/AIB04CF

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):
AIB06NW is also visible and on the move.

=> airborne at 9:20UTC.

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 29):
Ok, Karel was quicker with 09:08 UTC.

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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:39 am

CF is now making it's way out to the runway as well.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:42 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 30):
AIB04CF is also lining-up.

Callsign has changed to AIB01CF, airborne at 9:42UTC.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:05 am

Looks like NW is heading back to Toulouse. Shortish flight.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:07 am

AIB06NW landed at 10:05UTC already.

Let's see if they make a turn.
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:38 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):
AIB10GG airborne at 9:08UTC.

Touchdown at 12:36UTC I think. If someone can confirm?

[Edited 2014-03-10 05:39:34]
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:57 pm

"Assistant" says 12:34 UTC

CF is holding over Lubeck... Low pass at HAM and then to XFW are among the rumors.

[Edited 2014-03-10 05:57:37]
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:14 pm

Low approach at HAM completed, now heading to Finky.

[edit]

And touchdown 13:29UTC.

[edit2]

AIB06NW is back online.

http://fr24.com/AIB06NW

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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:11 pm

MSN2 arriving in XFW:

http://instagram.com/p/lXWF-pOrIB/

MSN4 second flight of the day is airborne at 14:11UTC:

http://fr24.com/AIB07NW
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:19 pm

GiGi has fired u for the second flight of the day - but is currently having a transponder code from an Iberian flight (IBE01GG)
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:35 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 39):
GiGi has fired u for the second flight of the day - but is currently having a transponder code from an Iberian flight (IBE01GG)

Iberia A350 airborne at 14:34UTC.

http://fr24.com/IB01GG

[edit]

Callsign has changed http://fr24.com/AIB01GG

[Edited 2014-03-10 07:36:56]
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:37 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 40):
Iberia A350 airborne at 14:34UTC.

We had this before... Airbus is messing up the whole A350 test program again...  
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:45 pm

I won't mind if they would fly with AY code  
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:43 pm

Here is a video of the landing of MSN2 in Hamburg Finkenwerder:

 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:02 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
One of the aircraft is going to Hamburg for 2 weeks, that should be an indication it has started.

Well, that happened today: MSN2 was flow to Hamburg. And according to a German website, MSN2 will spend two weeks in XFW for extensive cabin testing. Can we assume certification trials are imminent?

http://www.tageblatt.de/lokales/aktu...in-Finkenwerder-_arid,1029363.html
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:27 pm

We seem to be missing GiGi's and NW's second flights today on the test tracker.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:22 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 45):
We seem to be missing GiGi's and NW's second flights today on the test tracker.

> AIB07NW landed at 16:22UTC
> AIB01GG landed at 19:03UTC
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:36 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 45):
We seem to be missing GiGi's and NW's second flights today on the test tracker.

If you mean my logbook, had to work... And it was one hell of a busy day.. -_-'
I'll fill them in the next few minutes  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Can we assume certification trials are imminent?

That was something I have been thinking about....

Both MSN3 and MSN2 started with AIB01xx again... Could it be that they entered the certification phase now and the flight count starts over...  
 
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:11 am

MSN4 is on its way to Seville-Moron.

http://fr24.com/AIB07NW
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RE: A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14

Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:10 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
MSN4 is on its way to Seville-Moron.

And has landed at 09:09 UTC.