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A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:08 am

As part 15 became quite long it was locked for further discussion. Please feel free to continue your discussion in this thread. Part 15 can be found here:

A380 Production Thread Part 15 (by iowaman Nov 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:25 am

The previous thread has been closed, I'll re-post my last message:

The second Lufthansa A380 (D-AIMB, MSN41) finished a cabin reconfiguration at HAM-LHT and now features a new in-flight entertainment system, have a look at these unique pictures:

http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i16565bymygx.html
http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i17582bbllvn.html
http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i17583bchqb7.html
http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i17584b1c6go.html

Note the radome on the roof.

Credits to A345.

Lufthansa will upgrade the remaining 9 A380s too. Their next two deliveries (MSN 146 and 149) will have the cabin upgrade straight out of the factory.

Quoting N14AZ:
Let's hope they will not become the LAA B 747's of the A 380-programme, although I very much doubt it.

I doubt it, and Transaero already announced big plans for both A380 and 747-8i.

Quoting ZKCIF:
kevin1122 at doubledecker.boards.net expects EK#46 to be delivered March 25 and EK#47 March 20 thus giving us FOUR deliveries in March and six in total this year.

MSN147 just finished cabin outfitting and painting, it seems this one might make it this month too. Both are scheduled for another test flight later today.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:20 pm

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 1):
Qatar Airways interior on Flightglobal:

The interior looks very nice to me. I like the chosen colours. Of course, this style resembles the style introduced on the B787 very closely.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:19 pm

BA Nbr 5 LEE will be delivered tommorrow 06 Mar. The aircraft will spend the afternoon at CHR doing landing training for 5 hours en-route to LHR.
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:36 pm

MSN149 LH #12 finished cabin outfitting and painting in XFW.


A380 Lufthansa D-AIML by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

> MSN 146 LH #11 will be named "Düsseldorf"
> MSN 149 LH #12 will be named "Hamburg"

http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
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Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:50 pm

Quoting tristarsteve (Reply 5):

Do you have his departure time ?many thansk in advance !
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:29 pm

BA9157P will leave TLS at 1300 GMT (1400 local).
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:34 pm

Quoting tristarsteve (Reply 8):

Perfect i will be there !!
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:24 pm

I found some time (kind of “AOG” after removal of an ingrown wisdom tooth out of the jawbone    ) to reactivate my spreadsheet.





And finally the learning curve for the Emirates A 380:



Thanks to all from doubledecker boards net. Without them I wouldn't have been able to collect all the data after my "sabbatical year".

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:33 pm

Oooops, something has changed since I uploaded pictures from flickr. Moderators can you please delete the previous post?
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I found some time (kind of “AOG” after removal of an ingrown wisdom tooth out of the jawbone    ) to reactivate my spreadsheet.



The average production time from arrival of the convoy at TLS to delivery is now down to about 10 months in average. The last six deliveries were even close to 9 months.



And finally the learning curve for the Emirates A 380:



Best regards
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:48 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11):
I found some time (kind of “AOG” after removal of an ingrown wisdom tooth out of the jawbone ) to reactivate my spreadsheet.

I fell off my chair for the first time in my life

DANKE, N14AZ, I've been missing your charts so much
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:30 pm

MSN148 / G-XLEE delivery flight TLS-CHR-LHR:

http://fr24.com/BAW9157
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Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:10 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11):
I found some time (kind of “AOG” after removal of an ingrown wisdom tooth out of the jawbone    ) to reactivate my spreadsheet.

Sorry for your wisdom tooth but yay for your chart!

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 12):
DANKE, N14AZ, I've been missing your charts so much

I second that.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:10 pm

Speedbird 9157 on departure to CHR , always a pleasure to see the delivery flights of British Airways A380 !!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2179/12973573535_17e709c2e6_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7312/12973716243_7f57414425_c.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2865/12973574185_9a021813e5_c.jpg
 
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Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:33 pm

Nice shots Clément!  
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Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:35 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
Nice shots Clément!

Seconded! Love the close up of the engine!
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:57 pm

Quoting tomcat (Reply 18):
New worries ahead for the A380?

Nope.

A fatigue problem was found in an internet beam of the wing after testing three times the anticipated life cycle of the A380. Out of precautionary, Airbus asked customers to carry out visual inspections during the heavy maintenance intervals every six years.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:02 pm

Happens on all sorts of planes. Makes news if it applies to the A380 or the B787.

[Edited 2014-03-07 06:08:48]
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:06 pm

G´day

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
internet beam

So likely the end of WiFi beaming in planes to get internet access   

Sorry, could not resist, but thanks for keeping us updated with reality as oppoed to rumors.


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:22 pm

What is pretty disappointing is this:
"The planemaker has asked airlines to inspect the wing's "spars" or main internal beams during regular major overhauls carried out after six years in service, and then again at 12 years, instead of waiting for the 12-year overhaul"

The new generation of aircrafts is sold with the argument (among many other ones) that they have greater inspection intervals. It's disappointing to read that this argument wouldn't be as valid as initialy expected.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:31 pm

Quoting tomcat (Reply 22):
It's disappointing to read that this argument wouldn't be as valid as initialy expected.

Checking some structures every 6 years while the craft is in heavy maintenance anyway, yeah..very disappointing..   
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting tomcat (Reply 22):
The new generation of aircrafts is sold with the argument (among many other ones) that they have greater inspection intervals. It's disappointing to read that this argument wouldn't be as valid as initialy expected.

Nothing has changed, the A380 has fixed maintenance intervals every 24, 48, 72 etc months and Airbus asked to carry out visual inspections during one of those intervals.

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Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 23):
Checking some structures every 6 years while the craft is in heavy maintenance anyway, yeah..very disappointing..

For sure this is not what Airbus was aiming for, nor any other planemaker, so yes it's disappointing, especially considering today's stress analysis capabilities. Do you think that an inspection of the 3 spars of the A380 comes for free? Hopefully, it will only require a general visual inspection...
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:46 pm

Quoting tomcat (Reply 25):
Do you think that an inspection of the 3 spars of the A380 comes for free?

During the heavy maintenance interval every six years, visual inspections are done anyway. You don't need extra mechanics for it, nor it will cause additional downtime. And the A380 still requires less maintenance than a 747-400 for example, a few additional visual inspections are not going to change that.

Quoting tomcat (Reply 25):
Hopefully, it will only require a general visual inspection...

The fatigue issue was discovered after simulating three times the anticipated life time of the airframe. In other words, it's highly unlikely it will ever happen in the real world.

[Edited 2014-03-07 07:03:19]
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:55 pm

Quoting tomcat (Reply 25):
For sure this is not what Airbus was aiming for, nor any other planemaker, so yes it's disappointing, especially considering today's stress analysis capabilities

I don't think this is totally outside the norm. This is how maintenance programs and associated schedules are made these days. This is how our business works. It is merely the result of fine tuning of an on-going on-condition maintenance program through continues MRB review. (Heavy) maintenance visits are planned at intervals 24, 48, 72, 96, 120 months. Some checks these are repetitive at 24 month intervals, meaning they will be done at every of those listed visits. Other checks are only done every say 96 months.

This one apparently was rescheduled. No bigie; some get rescheduled shorter, others get rescheduled longer. First check coming up at 72 months, next scheduled check coming up at 144 months. I wish all airframes had such good intervals!

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:58 am

Looks like EE has started the second part of her delivery flight to LHR from CHR -

http://www.flightradar24.com/BAW9163/2dca6a0

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:09 pm

Quoting trent900 (Reply 28):
Looks like EE has started the second part of her delivery flight to LHR from CHR -

After completing five training flights out of CHR on 6 March (BA9160T/61T/62T/63T/64T) , 'EE, that had been ferried TLS-CHR that morning (BA9157P) was then ferried into LHR (BA9150P) arriving at around 20:00 hrs that day.

This morning she operated a training flight from LHR to CHR (BA9160T) departing at around 07:40 hrs. She then operated a further series of training flights out of CHR (BA9161T/62T/63T/64T/65T/66T). Each of these flights lasted about 30 minutes with around 50 minutes between consecutive flights.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:46 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 29):
After completing five training flights out of CHR on 6 March (BA9160T/61T/62T/63T/64T) , 'EE, that had been ferried TLS-CHR that morning (BA9157P) was then ferried into LHR (BA9150P) arriving at around 20:00 hrs that day.

Well, god knows how I missed that one!

Thanks for the insight VV701   

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:48 pm

Today's activity:

1) MSN130 KE #9 was painted prior to outfitting.


A380 Korean Air Lines HL7627 by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

2) XFW flightline


A380 Flightline by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

3) MSN157 EK #51 RTO, ferry flight to XFW should follow soon


RTO msn157 F-WWAV 10/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

4) Tail cone for MSN166 EY #1 arrived today


Tailcone msn166 10/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:24 pm

I know this is a production thread but I don't think requires a separate thread:

Quote:
Emirates Air's Sir Tim Clark sees Dubai-@BostonLogan route busy enough (with connections like @JetBlue) for A380 service "within the year"
http://twitter.com/PeterHoweNECN/status/443118028473909248

Its solid news for the A380 program. I didn't even know that Logan was, or planned to be, A380 compliant.

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:33 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 32):
Its solid news for the A380 program. I didn't even know that Logan was, or planned to be, A380 compliant.

Emirates will send more A380s to the US, here's a recent interview in German with EK about their growth plans:

http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/diens...unigen-immer-staerker/9584264.html

And I still wonder which airline will send the A380 to DFW.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:53 am

MSN165 EK #55 confirmed on convoy #7.
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:26 pm

MSN166 EY #1 tail fin arrived in TLS today.


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Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:06 pm

Darn ! No hint of the new EY colour scheme there then  
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:00 am

MSN157, EK #51, was transfered from TLS to cabin outfitting in XFW yesterday
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:03 am

MSN162 BC #1 finished final assembly.


Roll Out msn162 F-WWSL 13/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 38):
MSN162 BC #1 finished final assembly.

That VTP looks very nice on the A380.  
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:37 pm

MSN146 LH #11 was moved to the XFW delivery center today.


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Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:28 pm

MSN167 BC #2 confirmed on convoy #8.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:30 pm

MSN155, OZ #2, is being transfered from TLS to XFW for outfitting today
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:53 pm

A picture of MSN162 BC #1 taken before roll out:


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:21 am

Airbus to raise floor on A380 to create 11-abreast:

http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/201...loor-on-a380-to-create-11-abreast/

Quote:
“We pushed Airbus very hard to get 11-abreast introduced, [which adds] 35 to 40 extra seats, and it puts in perspective the unit cost issue,” said Lapidus.

Crucially, he said, Airbus will go 11-abreast “and still deliver an 18-inch seat”. This will be accomplished by “raising the floor by two inches in the wider part of the aircraft”.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:34 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Airbus to raise floor on A380 to create 11-abreast:

Structural changing of the floor level, or a "fake floor" on top of the present one?

And if it is the latter, is it too early to know whether it will be retrofittable?

… Will that give some CRJ feeling with regards to the windows?
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 45):
Will that give some CRJ feeling with regards to the windows?

The floor will be only 2 inches higher, so i'm not sure the windows will feel that low
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:43 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Airbus to raise floor on A380 to create 11-abreast:

This is no surprise of course since there have been speculations about it for quite some time. But if the airlines can fill the extra seats it sure makes the costs per seat significantly better.  
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:52 pm

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 45):
Structural changing of the floor level, or a "fake floor" on top of the present one?

I'm sure it will just be a false floor.



Quoting Aircellist (Reply 45):
And if it is the latter, is it too early to know whether it will be retrofittable?

A false floor should be something that can be refitted to existing frames.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 16

Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:05 pm

MSN158 EK #52 first engine run + taxi test today.


First Engine Run msn158 F-WWAU 19/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Taxiing msn158 F-WWAU 19/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

MSN162 BC #1 seen from the front.


Flightline msn162 F-WWSL 19/3/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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