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American Unveils New 767 Business Class

Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:41 pm

American has unveiled it's new business class on the 767-300ER:

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...n-service-in-april/comment-page-1/

No surprise, as expected, it's the same lie flats everybody uses on the 767s, but by the pictures, AA has stepped it up with interior materials. I'm not a huge fan of the seat because it's quite narrow, but it's all the market has unfortunately.

Service begins April 1st on JFK-ZRH, with the product rolling out across 30 aircraft in the fleet over the year.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:47 pm

Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:09 pm

Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:13 pm

I like it better than Delta's 767 B/E cabin, just having the woodgrain warms the cabin a bit.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:18 pm

It's nice enough. What will still keep me away is not knowing whether I'll get one of the old configuration 763s or the new ones.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:22 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):
Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?

I had read somewhere that they would still be using the Galaxy tablets in J. Can somebody confirm this?. . .Also, it looks like Y will simply be getting "drop down lcd's" (how fancy). Clearly and improvement over the old CRT's, but still unfortunate that they chose not to go with in seat IFE.

This J cabin is definitely an improvement over what they have now. I think having your own surface space and not having to be cautious of spilling your seatmates drink is a huge plus. I always hated being in ultra close proximity of a seatmate, so this is a step up.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:25 pm

Looks pretty nice - and obviously long overdue. I still contend that many of these 763s may well end up plying former US routes out of PHL/CLT - particularly those flown by US 762s now.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):
Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?

Y. It was already announced that Y would not get AVOD.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:29 pm

looks identical to LX/AC/SN product .... excellent choice ... makes the PMUA 2-2-2 J look like ancient junk
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:30 pm

It looks very nice. They took a page out of the DL playbook.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:33 pm

Who is the provider of the international WiFi they mentioned, and what is the technology used?
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:34 pm

The cabin definitely looks nice! The seats remind me of front seats you might find in a sport/luxury sedan.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:41 pm

Certainly an improvement over current offering which I go out of my way to avoid, and result don't fly overseas on AA even as an EXP.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:44 pm

The article doesn't mention anything about coach overhead bins. I wonder if they will be upgraded to match the business class bins.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:49 pm

I'd say it looks good if industrial. I'm not a big fan of Gray seats, not on American Not on United NOPLACE!
I'm surprised they're keeping the overhead drop down LCD screens.
With wifi on board I thought Streaming Video was the rage.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:52 pm

Good on AA, about time. And bravo on them for balancing cap-ex with a product that looks finished (vs. DL's 767 seat which is common DL stock).

That said, the seat itself is horridly uncomfortable and narrow. I never thought I'd say it but I prefer AF's NEV3/4 seat to this flat-bed option.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:33 pm

Nice product for the 767. It has been speculated on here that the 763 and 77E will get the same J product. IMHO, I think that is disappointing. The 77E should be getting the 77W J seat.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:45 pm

It is a bit dreary and underwhelming to read about this! Alternative threads tell us about the new QR cabin in the A380, Lufthansa's new business class offer, Skymark's new all Y+ to mention but 3.

AA's new B767 interiors! How exciting! Especially for me as a wallet-constrained Y traveller, to discover that this new makeover doesn't include seat back screens in Y. In 2014! Drop down screens on long haul!

Oh well, I can relax by thinking that I cant imagine any scenario where I will voluntarily fly on one of these, having already had my dose of AA TATL return flights!
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
Especially for me as a wallet-constrained Y traveller, to discover that this new makeover doesn't include seat back screens in Y. In 2014! Drop down screens on long haul!

With smartphones and tablet computers at my disposal, I generally don't find PTVs to be all that necessary with the exception of the longest flights in the network (like say, DFW-HKG or ORD-PEK). It's a nice luxury, and I think it's a mistake that they don't offer it for competitive reasons, but I can personally deal without it for a European hop.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:54 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
Oh well, I can relax by thinking that I cant imagine any scenario where I will voluntarily fly on one of these, having already had my dose of AA TATL return flights!

I'm sure AA is going to miss that $600 for your once in every 5 years trip.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:04 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.

According to airchive.com, there will be no in-seat entertainment. WiFi and tablets will be available.

http://airchive.com/blog/2014/03/07/...irlines-unveils-new-767-300-cabin/

Quote:
The real surprise, however, is that American will not introduce built-in inflight entertainment (IFE) in either cabin on the reconfigured aircraft. Instead business passengers will receive a Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet device. The airline currently offers the device to first/business passengers on select routes served by 737-800, 767-200/300, and 757 type aircraft. Presumably economy passengers will watch whatever is on the overhead screens.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:05 pm

Quoting 777stl (Reply 18):
I'm sure AA is going to miss that $600 for your once in every 5 years trip.

What a silly comment! Perhaps you should at least ask me about my travel patterns and frequencies before venturing that remark!

If the attitude of AA is to not care about the once-in-5-years-Y class traveller in any case, I think you just prove my point. See if SIA, Etihad, or BA would do that (those are the airlines I use multiple times each year)

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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:12 pm

The new 767 J class is something we have seen on Delta 764ER. The new AA A321T has the J class seat commonly founf on Comtinental airplanes. The new 77W have the Cathay J class which is the leader right now, even Air France is going with that seat. WE don't know what the AA 77E fleet will get but lets hope its the Cathay J seat. But what I find inconsistent is why doesn'T AA have the same seat all the way across the fleet like BA does with Club World.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:12 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 21):

If the attitude of AA is to not care about the once-in-5-years-Y class traveller in any case, I think you just prove my point. See if SIA, Etihad, or BA would do that (those are the airlines I use multiple times each year)

Think before you make an overly rash statement like that, and think about what makes the A321s/B77Ws interior plans different from the B763 retrofits. Exactly, age and marginal cost differences. The high costs of upgrading the electronics necessary to install full-scale AVOD on these planes may not be worth it for AA if there are plans to eventually phase the aircraft out in the medium-term with a true high-tech plane.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:18 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 21):
AA got my trip 10 years ago. Never again!

Never again sounds like your mind is made up. So it wouldn't matter what AA did, you would never fly them again. So why let it bother you how their cabins are designed. That's the beauty, you still have a choice! Does AA miss your $, of course, they'd love to have ALL your business.. But they don't. So they try and appeal to others. Its working.

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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Thread starter):
I'm not a huge fan of the seat because it's quite narrow, but it's all the market has unfortunately.

Are they as narrow as the 19" seats in 2+2+2 found on other 767s?

Then again, even if they are 19", you do get a fair amount of "spread out" room with the side tables.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:35 pm

I think the seat looks good, though the staggering is a bit odd. At least its not as dense as UA. Too bad they couldn't do the same seat as the 77W, which is the best around.

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
I still contend that many of these 763s may well end up plying former US routes out of PHL/CLT - particularly those flown by US 762s now.

In that case, why not keep more of the 763s around?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):

Who is the provider of the international WiFi they mentioned, and what is the technology used?

If its the same as the 77Ws, it will be T-Mobile.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 13):
With wifi on board I thought Streaming Video was the rage.

No one has fast enough WiFi for that yet.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:38 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):
WE don't know what the AA 77E fleet will get but lets hope its the Cathay J seat.

It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
In that case, why not keep more of the 763s around?

That may well be the outcome. I just commented the other day in another thread that I think AA may well keep more 763s around and reconfigure the jets not getting this new J layout into a higher-density, smaller-F configuration for use in domestic, Hawaii and Caribbean/Latin America markets. The wildcard in all of this is how AA decides to use the US Airbus widebodies currently on order. AA will have lots of new widebody capacity coming online in the next few years and as the integrate the networks and move aircraft around I can easily, for example, envision US A330s moving into some former AA markets (particularly some MIA-Latin America routes) and, as mentioned, these upgraded 763s moving into several former US markets like CLT-FRA, among others.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:48 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.

You didn't read it correctly the article states that their will be drop down LCD screens in the main cabin here is the direct quote from the article. "Other elements of the Boeing 767-300ER retrofit project include the installation of new LCD drop-down monitors, new digital audio systems, refreshed lavatories, and new seat covers and cushions in the Main Cabin."
So it would seem as if AA is not installing PTV's throughout the entire aircraft only in business class.

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...n-service-in-april/comment-page-1/
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:50 pm

Hi,

What's the name of the company that produces the seats on this perticular subject?

Recaro of Germany?
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:16 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
WiFi and tablets will be available.

When these 763s inevitably do a domestic run, will the WiFi be available?
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:24 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):

I guess my assumption was incorrect. That's what I get for assuming, I suppose.   Thanks for the info.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:48 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 27):
It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.

Why on earth wouldn't they use the excellent one they use on the 77W?

Quoting commavia (Reply 28):
I just commented the other day in another thread that I think AA may well keep more 763s around and reconfigure the jets not getting this new J layout into a higher-density, smaller-F configuration for use in domestic, Hawaii and Caribbean/Latin America markets.

Which is fine, I guess, but there is a big gap between the A332 and the 762ER. I would think that reconfigured 763s woudl make a lot of sense for those 762ER markets.
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:49 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):
looks identical to LX/AC/SN product ....

AC's 763 J product is nothing like that, it's "herringbone".
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:50 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
Why on earth wouldn't they use the excellent one they use on the 77W?

Maybe it won't fit? The 777 is a fair bit wider than the 767.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:03 am

Nice improvement! Who says US airliners are in a race for the bottom??? Out of their minds they are!
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:14 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
Maybe it won't fit? The 777 is a fair bit wider than the 767.

I was referencing the 772
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:27 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 27):It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.
Why on earth wouldn't they use the excellent one they use on the 77W?

Because they are designing a presumably better one.

The only reason the 77W has the seats it does was because it was a rush job and those could be factory installed ASAP. The seats on the 772 are what AA would have preferred on the 77W.
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RE: American Unveils New 767 Business Class

Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:39 am

Quoting stgs1988 (Reply 29):
What's the name of the company that produces the seats on this perticular subject?

Recaro of Germany?

Looks like the Zodiac UK Vantage seats, similar than Finnair and Swiss? have.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:50 am

I will be flying the 767-300 in late April , hopefully I get lucky with a new interior aircraft , glad to see AA upgrading
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:02 am

Quoting HELyes (Reply 38):
Quoting stgs1988 (Reply 29):
What's the name of the company that produces the seats on this perticular subject?

Recaro of Germany?

Looks like the Zodiac UK Vantage seats, similar than Finnair and Swiss? have.

Definitely Vantage system, or an incredible rip off!
 
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RE: American Unveils New 767 Business Class

Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:34 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):
looks identical to LX/AC/SN product ....

AC's 763 J product is nothing like that, it's "herringbone".

...AC is using the same product as AA is on their new 77Ws....the high density ones.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:35 am

Are they serious???? Those brand new 767???!!!!!!
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 26):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):WE don't know what the AA 77E fleet will get but lets hope its the Cathay J seat.
It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.

Why would AA use a different seat for their 77E fleet ? The 77W seat came from Cathay Pacific and has to be the best in the world right now, even Air France is going to use it.
 
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RE: American Unveils New 767 Business Class

Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:35 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 43):
Why would AA use a different seat for their 77E fleet ?

My guess is that AA may want a J seat that allows a configuration holding the already-announced 45, but without sacrificing as much square footage in the cabin so they can pack in more Y seats. Just my guess ...

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 43):
The 77W seat came from Cathay Pacific and has to be the best in the world right now

Agreed. That is without question the best J seat I've ever flown in. As I've said before, I honestly think AA's 77Ws have not only the best J seat of any U.S. airline, but a J seat that is broadly competitive with the J hard product of just about any other airline in the world, with only a very few limited exceptions. It's a great seat.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:45 pm

It's a bit office-like, but the beige and wood grain add some warmth relative to DL.

From AA's announcement, it sounds as if some of the 767-323s will not get the upgrade and instead go on to another life (or the desert). I suppose these are the very early ones from 1989, which are now getting to 25+ years.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:35 pm

OK, so let's tie all of the 763 mods up in one place. 58 total in fleet--of which:

9 delivered with 777-style interior, the rest received new bins/panels only in F &J
30 are now getting new J seats, Y cushions and covers, WIFI, drop LCDs and refreshed bathrooms
28 (??) have been wingletted (that number is several years old, and I could not find a current #)
?? received MAUI mods (Midlife Avionics Upgrade Initiative)
28 have been painted in the new livery

So, is it safe to assume these all overlap and by the end of 2014, AA will have 30 painted, wingletted, MAUI'd 763s with updated interiors (though old bins/wall panels in Y on 21 of them) and 28 without all of the above awaiting either new plans from AA or retirement in the desert?
 
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RE: American Unveils New 767 Business Class

Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:42 pm

While nice, I think people need to remember that has the 787 been on time, we'd be talking about these birds like we've been talking about the 762s for the lst few years. This is clearly another stopgap until they 787s start building a presence in the fleet.

With respect to in J class seat product, in-seat IFE, Y class offerings I'm much more concern and going to be paying much closer attention as to what AA comes up with for it's 788s and 789s with respect to who/where I fly since I am one of the one's who falls into the category of avoiding AA's 763 J seats on international flights any chance I get.
 
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RE: American Unveils New 767 Business Class

Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:24 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 46):
So, is it safe to assume these all overlap and by the end of 2014, AA will have 30 painted, wingletted, MAUI'd 763s with updated interiors (though old bins/wall panels in Y on 21 of them) and 28 without all of the above awaiting either new plans from AA or retirement in the desert?

I believe the other 28 will be replaced by 788's
Then the current missions where the 763 is deployed (Deep South America and Europe) probably will be assumed by the 788's and the updated 763's would assume the older 763 missions.
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RE: American Unveils New 767 Business Class

Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):
why doesn'T AA have the same seat all the way across the fleet like BA does with Club World.

Not strictly true - whilst all BA club world are lie flat seats there are different types


There is the 'standard' seat for most wide bodies, though I understand that the 767s have a slightly different seat to the other wide bodies because of the cabin width

Then there is the club world from City Airport on the A318s which is completely different: 2x2 all forward facing and individual tablets for IFE; and finally

The mid haul A321s have a different seat again to the A318s 2+1/1+2 alternating all forward facing. Admittedly these were bought by BD before the airline was acquired by BA and only fitted after the take over and are I believe very similar to Swiss/Austrian J seats .

So depending where you are flying you might get a quite different J class experience.

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