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JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:09 am

Friend on instagram posted this picture just now http://instagram.com/p/lTP6wAC-99/ , was SFO bound and is surrounded by emergency trucks , anyone have any info , not good for the 787  
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:15 am

Your link does not work for me.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:15 am

Well, it's a bit too early to say whether or not it's bad for the 787. Could have been a medical emergency or some other thing. Also, the link seems to be broken.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:16 am

Bad URL to the photo, it comes up as "Not Found".

I did check - it was apparently an HND-SFO flight, JAL flight 2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...2/history/20140308/1505Z/RJTT/KSFO
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:16 am

Nothing shows up on my alerts so I'm guessing it could be a med emergency
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:19 am

I apoligize about the bad link , the acount name is geminijetsinsider if u want to look i think it may be my browser messing the link up
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:20 am

None of JAL's 787 routes don't go anywhere near HNL, the flight to SFO goes way north and would be closer by hours to a dozen other runways. Unless the jet stream is way out of wack today.

Whoa, I apologize, the route right now is way farther south than one would expect.

[Edited 2014-03-08 16:28:31]
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:21 am

They also dropped from FL400 to FL250 and reduced speed from ~550kts to ~380 kts.

Edit: As per FlightAware

[Edited 2014-03-08 16:22:02]
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:30 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 6):
None of JAL's 787 routes don't go anywhere near HNL, the flight to SFO goes way north and would be closer by hours to a dozen other runways. Unless the jet stream is way out of wack today.

The Flightaware map and flight planned route in Reply 3 shows a southerly route. That seems to be roughly in line with current jetstream maps available on numerous sites. One here.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:33 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 6):

Just checked the 200mb level winds, 150kts right across the pacific, most economical route would be ~450nm N of HNL.

ie. Not the usual great circle route.

Time sensitive link of 200mb winds.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:39 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=glob_250
Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 9):

http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/data/gfs/18...l.gif

Thanks, that's something you don't see everyday.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:40 am

There's a recording of JAL2 on final approach for 8L calling HNL tower.
It sounded to me that the crew asked the tower to look for oil on the runway and something else I couldn't understand.

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/phnl/PHNL-Twr-Mar-08-2014-2300Z.mp3
On the 24:42 mark.

[Edited 2014-03-08 16:43:45]
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:04 am

I can't get the second part either, but that does not sound like a medical emergency to me. Sounds like he's asking for some kind of inspection.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:14 am

Looking for oil on the runway and a quick decent would point to an engine shutdown for oil quantity loss. Sounds like they sent AFS out for him also.

Twitter says the aircraft is JA829J which was the Boston battery fire aircraft..

[Edited 2014-03-08 17:49:45]
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 13):
Twitter says the aircraft is JA829J which was the Boston battery fire aircraft..

And confirmed via flight aware. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JA829J
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:37 am

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 7):
They also dropped from FL400 to FL250 and reduced speed from ~550kts to ~380 kts.

I would suggest they either pulled an engine back to idle or shut it down. FL250 looks to be close to engine out cruise altitude.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:43 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):

Do you work for JAL? What kind of "alerts" do you get?
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:48 am

Here you go..."hydraulic issues"

http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/#!/newsDetail/24923880
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:58 am

Actually, usually the westbounds fly lower than the great circle route. On all of the Japan-US flights I've been on we hit the US coast around Washington or Oregon.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:03 am

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 17):
Here you go..."hydraulic issues"

Link says engine shutdown. Could be the same problem somehow, I guess.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:07 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 19):

Second line says hydraulic issues, unless the I get a different link on the old iPad.

CNBC reports that the pilot declared an emergency for a hydraulic issue.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 20):
unless the I get a different link on the old iPad.

Could be - your link goes to the mobile site, which gave me a huge, pixelated image on PC, so I went to the main site. I didn't see any second line there.

http://connect.hawaiinewsnow.com/Media/6193692

I don't really know what an engine shutdown would have to do with hydraulics, but I guess there could be some link I'm not aware of.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:26 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 21):
I don't really know what an engine shutdown would have to do with hydraulics, but I guess there could be some link I'm not aware of.

And there's also no reason to descend from FL400 to FL250 for a hydraulic problem.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 16):

I have contacts all over the world and within airlines. My contacts with JL are quite unreliable.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 17):

Thanks. I appreciate what my sources can't get me haha
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:58 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 21):
I don't really know what an engine shutdown would have to do with hydraulics, but I guess there could be some link I'm not aware of.

Don't you lose presurisation of one hydraulic system if you lose an engine? So maybe indirectly hydraulic.. And CNN have no exatly covered themselves in glory on MH370 reporting.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 22):
And there's also no reason to descend from FL400 to FL250 for a hydraulic problem.

Nope.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 20):
Second line says hydraulic issues, unless the I get a different link on the old iPad.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:02 am

only 171 people on board! isn't that low numbers for such flight?
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:05 am

Quoting kl692 (Reply 25):
only 171 people on board! isn't that low numbers for such flight?
JL's 787-8s seat 186 so that was a pretty full load (even if that number includes crew).

The 787 has three independent hydraulic systems, two of which are driven by the engines, so an IFSD would only compromise one of the systems.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...rticles/qtr_4_07/article_02_3.html

[Edited 2014-03-08 20:09:43]
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:09 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 26):
JL's 787-8s seat 186 so that was a pretty full load (even if that number includes crew).

Wow 186! JQ on the other end fits 335passengers, thats nearly double! - I know why this is but just interesting.

Lets hope its just an isolated issue (sure it is) and the bird is back in the air soon
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:10 am

Dang and I saw that plan in HND right before we left. Thats crazy to think about.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:10 am

On the liveatc (link in reply 11) I hear "request stop on the runway for oil or fuel leak inspection"

Suggests that someone saw leaking fluid and the shutdown/divert was precautionary.

[Edited 2014-03-08 20:11:09]
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:17 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 24):

Don't you lose presurisation of one hydraulic system if you lose an engine? So maybe indirectly hydraulic.. And CNN have no exatly covered themselves in glory on MH370 reporting.

On a traditional airliner you would, but this is the all electric wunder-aircraft. All three hydraulic systems are at least partially electrically driven, with the central system being completely electrically driven. The left and right systems employ an engine driven pump along with an electrical pump. What I don't know is how an engine out situation affects the left and right hydraulic system as far as redundancy is concerned.

However, short of an uncontained failure, I'm not sure why they'd be asking for a leaking fluid inspection from a simple engine shutdown.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:21 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 24):
Don't you lose presurisation of one hydraulic system if you lose an engine?

If you shut an engine down with the fuel control switch the engine will continue to windmill providing hydraulics until the airspeed gets to low. You also have an electric hydraulic demand pump backing up each engine driven pump. If you pull the fire handle to shut down the engine you also depressurize the engine driven pump but there are plenty of hydraulics still available.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:43 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 30):
However, short of an uncontained failure, I'm not sure why they'd be asking for a leaking fluid inspection from a simple engine shutdown.

If you suspect a fuel leak you now have a fuel leak checklist which depending on which branch of the checklist you follow you may end up shutting down the engine. All the fire trucks were probably to prevent a repeat of the China Air 738 accident at Naha, Okinawa.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:53 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 30):
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 24):

Don't you lose presurisation of one hydraulic system if you lose an engine? So maybe indirectly hydraulic.. And CNN have no exatly covered themselves in glory on MH370 reporting.

On a traditional airliner you would, but this is the all electric wunder-aircraft. All three hydraulic systems are at least partially electrically driven, with the central system being completely electrically driven. The left and right systems employ an engine driven pump along with an electrical pump. What I don't know is how an engine out situation affects the left and right hydraulic system as far as redundancy is concerned.

This is not true on a "traditional" airliner either. All Boeing airplanes (except I don't know the 737 very well) have Hydraulic Demand Pumps as backups for each system. If the engine driven pump failed because the engine was shut-off, the same Hydraulic system would continue to be pressurized by the demand pump. On most airplanes, except I believe a few 747-400s which all demand pumps are pneumatic driven, the left or right demand pumps are electrical driven. So even on, say a 767 or 777, that on-side hydraulic system could remain pressurized by the electrical driven demand pump.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:07 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
All Boeing airplanes (except I don't know the 737 very well) have Hydraulic Demand Pumps as backups for each system.

737 has two engine driven, two electrical.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
If the engine driven pump failed because the engine was shut-off, the same Hydraulic system would continue to be pressurized by the demand pump.

Depends on how you shutoff the engine -- see Reply 31.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:29 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 34):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
If the engine driven pump failed because the engine was shut-off, the same Hydraulic system would continue to be pressurized by the demand pump.

Depends on how you shutoff the engine -- see Reply 31.

Are you saying that if you pull the fire handle, it will completely disable that side Hydraulic System? Why won't the Electrical Driven Demand Pump keep pressurizing it? The fire handle will isolate the Engine Driven Pump, Generator and Bleed Air off that engine, but I'm not sure it will actually prevent any of those systems from being powered by the other backup means.

I'm still not clear this is correct.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:24 am

I hope this whole B787 episode would be the sole dip in the Boeing product line and none else would follow, if by any thought of any complacency then I assume the manufacturer has already paid its dues, I hope after this series of predicament, Boeing can once again seamlessly be the Boeing we all once knew.

No intention for an A vs B. But give credit where credit is due - Kudos to Airbus for just one hurdle the A380 but somehow has gone past it swiftly and now the A350 is on schedule. I hope Boeing learns its falters to heart,

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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:18 am

I was wondering why I saw her today at HNL She was parked at gate 25 when i left.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:49 am

More pictures of JL 787 at HNL.

http://hnlrarebirds.blogspot.jp/2014...ines-787-8-dreamliner-ja-829j.html

Based on the link, it looks like JL will begin regular 787 service between NRT and HNL, replacing the 767, from later this month. I'm planning to visit Honolulu coming July and I might just book my flight on JL.  
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:29 am

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/.../jal-dreamliner-makes/1026346.html

This article states that the right engine was shutdown in flight due to low oil pressure.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:31 pm

Quoting specks159 (Reply 39):
This article states that the right engine was shutdown in flight due to low oil pressure.

A UA 787-8 flying London-Houston had to divert to Newark due to a low-oil indication in one of the GEnx engines on 20 June, 2013.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:49 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 35):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 34):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
If the engine driven pump failed because the engine was shut-off, the same Hydraulic system would continue to be pressurized by the demand pump.

Depends on how you shutoff the engine -- see Reply 31.

Are you saying that if you pull the fire handle, it will completely disable that side Hydraulic System?

My reading of Reply 31 tells me the opposite: yes, the engine pump depressurizes, but the electric backup is still in place.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:26 pm

This is not uncommon. With 150 787s in service, the occasional leak indicator event should not really be news. I've been in two non-787s with this issue and it didn't make the news. On the DL 757, we followed the same course of action including shutting down number 2, decending to a lower alt, diverting to Vegas (closest suitable airport to accommodate aircraft and pax).
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:37 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 41):
My reading of Reply 31 tells me the opposite: yes, the engine pump depressurizes, but the electric backup is still in place.

  

Quoting specks159 (Reply 39):
This article states that the right engine was shutdown in flight due to low oil pressure.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
A UA 787-8 flying London-Houston had to divert to Newark due to a low-oil indication in one of the GEnx engines on 20 June, 2013.

That's 2 in 80,000+ flights -- that's less than I experienced in my career of considerably fewer flights.
 
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:56 pm

From JAL:

"During flight, the right engine oil pressure and quantity showed decreasing tendency, so the diversion to the nearest airport, Honolulu was decided. The airplane landed safely at Honolulu approx. 8 hours after takeoff. At the approach to the Honolulu, the oil pressure was getting low, so the right engine was shutdown. According to the company regulations, the pilot declared an "emergency" which gives the priority for the air traffic control. JAL2 was terminated at Honolulu."
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:08 pm

That's pretty much how things went on my 757 flight though they also deployed the RAT. Had they spent a few more minutes going through the checklist they would have been past Las Vegas and possibly cleared into ONT or even destination LAX.
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:59 pm

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 44):

So Japanese-English written...I love it. Having done a ton of business in Japan, it always makes me chuckle a little

I'm sure my Japanese sounds terrible to them too so it goes both ways    
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RE: JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL

Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 26):
Quoting kl692 (Reply 25):
only 171 people on board! isn't that low numbers for such flight?
JL's 787-8s seat 186 so that was a pretty full load (even if that number includes crew).

JL is also the only 787 operator with 8-abreast (2-4-2) seating in Y class on all their 787s which further reduces the seating density.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:10 pm

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 36):
Kudos to Airbus for just one hurdle the A380 but somehow has gone past it swiftly and now the A350 is on schedule.

When Airbus launched the A350 in 2006 I am sure that a Q4 2014 EIS would not have been considered 'on-schedule'. The A380 had in-service 'issues' as well and I wouldn't call its multiple year delay and wing feet issues 'just one hurdle'. The 787 has had more than its fair share of drama no doubt but there is enough issues on both sides.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:11 pm

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 36):
Kudos to Airbus for just one hurdle the A380 but somehow has gone past it swiftly and now the A350 is on schedule. I hope Boeing learns its falters to heart,

A380s have had engine oil indicator diversions and aircraft taken out of service. At first it was news, now it's not. It's inherent in ALL airframes. All engines will have various levels of failure over their life.
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