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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:23 am

As part 4 is became quite long, it was locked for further contributions. Part 5 is now open for further discussion:

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:28 am

Anyone else thinking that the oil streaks may be due to dumping fuel as they were returning back to KUL?

That debris field mentioned late in previous thread looks ominous.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 265):
As in the case of AF447... they didn't... by the time they did... they were swamped with their own problems.

I would argue that they really didn't diagnose that they were in grave danger until it was way too late. That was kinda my point. They were confused more than anything.

Quoting danvs (Reply 273):
it has been posted that Italians and Austrians (besides some other nationalities) do not need visas to enter China if they're in transit.

They can transfer for multiple days. Doesn't need to be just a layover. If these guys are to blame don't we think that the visas don't really matter anyway because evidently they were planning on making a move before that?

Quoting Reffado (Reply 309):
Is it something with the 777? Will this crash reveal serious issues with parts as AF 447 did? There are a lot of these planes flying around, I hope whatever happened here is an isolated case.

There have been over 5 million flights on 777 and up until the last year, zero deaths from flight operations (one ground crew accident as he was trying to fill the plane with gas). Its a very safe plane.

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 312):
Pilot hijacking is not possible given the track records of both pilots.

The ET pilot that just hijacked a 767 and flew it to Zurich had a similar record to the copilot.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:30 am

Reposting here as my last post in the other thread came after the cut and will likely be deleted:

"Plane's turn back was seen on military radar; one reason for the turn back was to return to KLIA: Air force chief"
https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/status/442530590022066176

"5 passengers did not board flight, their bags were removed from the plane: Civil aviation chief"
https://twitter.com/STcom/status/442531277925650432

"Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Debris spotted but unclear if it's from MH370, says Chinese official"
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...otted-unclear-if-its-mh370-chinese
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:31 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 1):
Quoting Reffado (Reply 309):
Is it something with the 777? Will this crash reveal serious issues with parts as AF 447 did? There are a lot of these planes flying around, I hope whatever happened here is an isolated case.

There have been over 5 million flights on 777 and up until the last year, zero deaths from flight operations (one ground crew accident as he was trying to fill the plane with gas). Its a very safe plane.

And the one accident wasn't the fault of the airplane. In fact, it was in some ways a testimony to the airplane. A 777 slams into a concrete wall and cartwheels down the runway and only two people are killed in the crash. Still too many and tragic, but the design of the airplane prevented far more deaths.

Over 1000 build over 20 years and about as flawless of a safety record as you can get. Yeah, there is something wrong with the airplane (sarcasm intended).
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:33 am

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiQO9p5CQAAd1-B.jpg

Link to debris field pic.

Looks too uniform to me.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:34 am

I had a question about the timeline (my last post) and CNN is reporting that:

"The Boeing 777-200ER departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 a.m. Saturday in good weather, and it was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700-kilometer) trip.
Air traffic controllers in Subang, outside Kuala Lumpur, lost contact with the plane about 1:30 a.m., Rahman said. Earlier, the airline said the jetliner lost contact at 2:40 a.m."

Thus, the plane had been airborne for less than an hour before losing contact with Subang ATC. Does this sound about right??
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:34 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Yeah, there is something wrong with the airplane (sarcasm intended).

I never said there was, don't get me wrong. I do know that the 777 is a very safe plane. But then again, so was the A330 before AF 447. We all know that something really small can turn into a big disaster when it comes to aviation. I'm just pointing out a possibility, which, IMHO, is much more likely than say, a meteor hitting the plane.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:35 am

If that photo was taken at the same time as the photographer took his seatback map display image, this is well north of the supposed location.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:35 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 4):
Looks too uniform to me.

And taken from 11,000 meters. So they would need to be large uniform pieces.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:36 am

Is there any possibilities that we are looking this plane in the wrong area? Remember adam air case?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:36 am

Quoting vr-hkg (Reply 2):
"Plane's turn back was seen on military radar; one reason for the turn back was to return to KLIA: Air force chief"
https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/status/442530590022066176

If the plane was turning back, but the pilots had no time to either call 'pan' or 'mayday', or squawk hijack, then couldn't it be that they were occupied with something serious...like a cockpit fire + loss of oxygen?
***Cockpit fire like that on EgyptAir 772 ER.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 4):

Hmmm....any confirmation? Looks like some type of debris to me...not sure of what though.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:37 am

If that photo was taken at the same time as the photographer took his seatback map display image, this is well north of the supposed location.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:38 am

Reposting from the last thread in case it gets deleted:

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 322):
The only thing that doesn't make sense for a terrorism attack is that no org. has claimed responsibility. The whole point of a terrorist org. is to terrorize, thus make a claim on their attack.


Let's assume for the sake of argument that it was terrorism, and that a bomb exploded onboard. Eventually, that would be discovered by investigators, and at that point the public would know. If the public doesn't know who did it, that's not going to make those who would feel uncomfortable flying any less uncomfortable. So there's no real need to claim responsibility in order to terrorize - normally a group claims responsibility if they want a certain set of demands met. If a group does claim responsibility, however, then they can be fairly sure that China will be coming after them and coming after them hard and fast (likely other countries as well, but China would be the main one). They may not want to deal with that. It all comes down to whether the terrorists involved would rather be public figures for as long as it takes China to catch up with them or would rather not be public figures but retain the ability to operate for a longer period of time. Both are valid options depending on their agenda.

But we're getting way ahead of ourselves here, as there is no evidence that it was terrorism, and I prefer to not go down that road unless there are solid signs pointing that way.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:39 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 11):
Quoting timpdx (Reply 7):

I concur. If this was in the middle of the ocean, I'd be inclined to say "that's it!". But if this is where the IFE map says it is, then it's probably trash or other debris from SGN...
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:39 am

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 12):
Hmmm....any confirmation? Looks like some type of debris to me...not sure of what though.

No confirmation, and I don't expect any.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:43 am

Quoting drew777 (Reply 8):
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 4):
Looks too uniform to me.

And taken from 11,000 meters

If that's taken from 11,000 meters, there's no way that could be debris. Too spread out, and far too many burning pieces (which are most likely lights on the ground).

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:43 am

Reply to post 338 from the previous thread: "If that moving map photo is the correct location of where those photos were taken, I would contest that it is debris/trash from the mainland... "

I would concur. Looks too uniform in size, and too densely packed to be debris that's been awash for this long.

From the SCMP info that this was an MAS flight from Peking to Kuala Lumpur arriving Sunday AM, and the timestamp on the moving map, it'd presumably be 1h 35m or so before arrival on this flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...1/history/20140308/1730Z/ZBAA/WMKK

No track log though, so can't place where it'd have been more precisely than in the pic, but it sure looks pretty close to land and well away from the previous search area, not to mention even further from the just-declared search area in the Straits of Malacca. I'm thinking this is a red herring from the SCMP.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:44 am

Is this "debris" glowing?
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http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/20_employees_of_freescale_semi.html

20 employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Texas were aboard missing Malaysia Airlines plane
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:46 am

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 19):
Is this "debris" glowing?

What time local was the photo taken? Could have been the orange glow from the sunrise.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:46 am

If it's not from MH370, what else could it be from?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:48 am

I am soo pissed that my country didnt send or offer any help in finding the plane. And 7 of our citizens aboard that plane.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:48 am

Looking at the replies in the previous threads, I realise there is very little understanding about this part of the world.

Firstly, Malaysia is not an Islamic state. 60% of its population is Muslim and some in the country want the state to be Islamic but it is technically secular. The royalty has been playing varying degrees in politics over the years but the first king of Malaysia post independence said the state is secular and always be.

Secondly, some have asked why some of the crew names sound 'Western' and some sound Chinese.. Malaysia and Singapore (the other country in the Malayan Peninsula) are ethnically diverse. Different from Japan in that regard for comparison. Malaysians an Singaporeans are largely ethnic Malay, Chinese, Indian, Eurasian and a huge number of ethnic minorities. Citizens from both countries could look like anything and have names that sound like anything. My dad who is Singaporean like me has medium-brown hair and green eyes.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:49 am

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 9):
Is there any possibilities that we are looking this plane in the wrong area? Remember adam air case?

You look at it from the last known spot.
Now hearing the military wanting to search for the aircraft in the Malacca straits only gets me to shake my head... if they go down this path this will quickly turn into another Adam Air search fiasco.

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 338):
Has anyone considered pilot suicide as another probable cause? After the LAM accident it is something we must also consider.

After reading into the background of the Captain, and talked to some of his friends, I find it extremely unlikely. I'm curious as to the First Officer's background and story though, although, it's not for public discussion as yet.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:50 am

"Plane's turn back was seen on military radar; one reason for the turn back was to return to KLIA: Air force chief"

This seems like a real piece of information and probably will be an important fact. Seems like there was a maneuver, but we dint know the reason for this maneuver.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:50 am

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 21):
What time local was the photo taken? Could have been the orange glow from the sunrise.

5:39am Ho Chi Minh City time, assuming it was taken at the same time as the moving map image. (Which seems likely.)

So yes, right around sunrise.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:51 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 22):
If it's not from MH370, what else could it be from?

We don't even know what it's a picture of...

Might even be lights from boats or a city...
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:52 am

The last photo says "local time at departure 6:39" so it's before sunrise. I think this is either fire out at sea or more likely villages at night. We are not sure what side of the plane the photos are taken on - if it's the port side then it could be a patch of flaming debris but it hey were taken on the starboard I'd wager that it'd a village. As for oil rigs it looks too dense.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:52 am

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 21):

Reply 18 estimates about 1:35 before 8:14 am, so roughly 6:20am
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:53 am

Quoting Reffado (Reply 5):
I never said there was, don't get me wrong. I do know that the 777 is a very safe plane. But then again, so was the A330 before AF 447. We all know that something really small can turn into a big disaster when it comes to aviation.

The point is that you determine how safe an airplane is by how few accidents it has over a certain number of flights. There have been 5+ million flights. Therefore it is a safe plane. Proportionally, and by definition, there is far greater likelihood of something that does not have to do with the manufacture of the aircraft. Now if they do uncover something that is specific to the airplane then they will fix it and as 5+ million flight have already happened it shouldn't be an imminent serious risk for the global fleet because it would have happened before now, and, the problem would be fixed in the global fleet if necessary. So, no, this could definitely be a disaster but the outcome of this will not be a doubt about how safe the 777 is.

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 6):
Air traffic controllers in Subang, outside Kuala Lumpur, lost contact with the plane about 1:30 a.m., Rahman said. Earlier, the airline said the jetliner lost contact at 2:40 a.m."

There is an hour time zone change between KUL and Vietnam so that could be a 10 minute difference depending on the source.

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 10):
If the plane was turning back, but the pilots had no time to either call 'pan' or 'mayday', or squawk hijack, then couldn't it be that they were occupied with something serious...like a cockpit fire + loss of oxygen?

It would be great to get a pilot's perspective but I don't think you initiate a complete 180 to fly back to KUL without alerting ATC for a vector and clearance.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:54 am

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 23):

I believe Singapore has sent out a C130 to search, not 100% sure
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:54 am

What would cause a pilot to turn back without saying anything or squawking anything?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:55 am

From thread 3 :

Quote:
The Egyptair cockpit fire involving their 777-200ER (SU-GBP) stemmed from electrical fault with a supply hose in the cockpit crew oxygen system.

A cockpit fire, with loss of pilot oxygen would account for this mystery, maybe even the muffled sounds reported by the plane ahead of MH370.
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Quoting infinit (Reply 24):
Firstly, Malaysia is not an Islamic state.

Article 3 of their constitution says otherwise:

Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and
harmony in any part of the Federation.


http://confinder.richmond.edu/admin/docs/malaysia.pdf

It's tough to read that as anything other than the country being an Islamic state, albeit one that does not mandate adherence to Islam or otherwise restricts religious freedom. Or to put it another way, technically Islamic, in practice secular.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:57 am

"It would be great to get a pilot's perspective but I don't think you initiate a complete 180 to fly back to KUL without alerting ATC for a vector and clearance. "

If there was a severe event or an acute emergency as it seems in this case, wouldn't the pilots take prompt action first before getting clearance or communicating?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:59 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 1):
Anyone else thinking that the oil streaks may be due to dumping fuel as they were returning back to KUL?

Given the lack of debris in that area, that theory seems plausible. To return to KUL, I do not know.



Quoting Halophila (Reply 15):
I concur. If this was in the middle of the ocean, I'd be inclined to say "that's it!". But if this is where the IFE map says it is, then it's probably trash or other debris from SGN...

If MH370 was some how off course then that could be the wreckage. However, I doubt that was the case.

What I am most worried about are the four fake passports. Even if this is not a hijacking, how will the system be reformed so it can never happen again. Is it possible that the pilots were in on this with the passport holders (if that is the case)?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:59 am

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 30):
Reply 18 estimates about 1:35 before 8:14 am, so roughly 6:20am

Clock says 6:39am at departure (Beijing), which is one hour after Ho Chi Minh City time (nearest city), so that puts it at 5:39am local. Sunrise in Ho Chi Minh City is currently around 6:03am, so only about 20 minutes before sunrise -- brightening sky, but sun not yet up.

Initially I didn't see what people meant by "lights", but it just suddenly clicked for me, and now I'm thinking city lights too. No smoke and fire wouldn't likely be burning this long later anyway; fishing boats wouldn't be that densely-packed, so it's either trash / debris (which doesn't make sense to be clearly visible before sunrise) or city / village lights.

[Edited 2014-03-08 22:00:54]
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:01 am

Quoting huxrules (Reply 29):

The last photo says "local time at departure 6:39" so it's before sunrise. I think this is either fire out at sea or more likely villages at night. We are not sure what side of the plane the photos are taken on - if it's the port side then it could be a patch of flaming debris but it hey were taken on the starboard I'd wager that it'd a village. As for oil rigs it looks too dense.

Looking at the sunrise times for the area, and having spent enough time living near and flying over the water, and flying over cities at night... this looks very much to me like a bunch of plywood floating around on the water at dawn/sunrise. Doesn't look anything like any city/village I've ever seen.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:01 am

This is NOT a pic of the debris. I fly HKG-SIN twice every week on UA and I have seen this. This pic was taken at night. They're actually flower plantations in Vietnam. I took a few pics a couple of weeks back to make a nice instagram pic, but it turned out too blurry. I can guarantee from my own personal experience, that this pic is not of debris but rather of the very irregular shape of flower farms in Vietnam.



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"Chief of Air Force: Baffled by no signal from emergency beacon on plane."
https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442535824379215872

"Chief of Air Force: There is a possible indication that the aircraft made a turnback. Also possible that turnback was to KLIA."
https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442533562097483779

"Chief of Armed Forces: We have also done a land search using our helicopters. Also focusing on waters on the west coast."
https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442533164833968128
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:04 am

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 39):
this looks very much to me like a bunch of plywood floating around on the water at dawn/sunrise.

The photo is from 11,000 meters / 36,000 feet, remember. That would be a HECK of a lot of plywood from that height.



"Chief of Air Force: Baffled by no signal from emergency beacon on plane."
https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442535824379215872

"Chief of Air Force: There is a possible indication that the aircraft made a turnback. Also possible that turnback was to KLIA."
https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442533562097483779

"Chief of Armed Forces: We have also done a land search using our helicopters. Also focusing on waters on the west coast."
https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442533164833968128

[Edited 2014-03-09 04:20:11 by SA7700]
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:04 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 11):

From cruise? I'm thinking that's rural lights not debris.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:04 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 34):
From thread 3 :

Quote:
The Egyptair cockpit fire involving their 777-200ER (SU-GBP) stemmed from electrical fault with a supply hose in the cockpit crew oxygen system.

A cockpit fire, with loss of pilot oxygen would account for this mystery, maybe even the muffled sounds reported by the plane ahead of MH370.

MAS confirmed the reports of aircraft that was flying near MH370 and contacted them were false.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:07 am

For those who are from the region/more knowledgable than I...is my google mapping correct that the Malacca straight is on the other side of the peninsula? How could this plane possibly have gotten to that side without being identified on radar?

Also regarding a turnback, wouldn't that have been captured on the fr24 track? Is there a reason that might only have been captured by military radar?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:07 am

I'm not sure if anyone have discussed this before but I was curious.

Regarding the 2 mysterious passengers with stolen passports, did any more information was disclosed (other than they were purchasing the ticket from CZ), were they flying in J or Y class, or which seats they were allocated in the flight??
 
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5

Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:10 am

"Also regarding a turnback, wouldn't that have been captured on the fr24 track? Is there a reason that might only have been captured by military radar? "

That's a good question. You would think fr24 would have recorded that turn.
 
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5

Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:11 am

Quoting rdu2sfo (Reply 45):
..is my google mapping correct that the Malacca straight is on the other side of the peninsula?

Yes, that would be the west coast
 
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5

Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting rdu2sfo (Reply 45):
is my google mapping correct that the Malacca straight is on the other side of the pen

Correct, but it seems bizarre they are now looking over in the Malacca Strait.

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 43):
From cruise? I'm thinking that's rural lights not debris
Quoting vr-hkg (Reply 42):
The photo is from 11,000 meters / 36,000 feet, remember. That would be a HECK of a lot of plywood from that height.
EXACTLY! See my reply above. They are flower farms in Vietnam, NOT debris.

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