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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:13 pm

Due to length part 5 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 6.


MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 245):
The sea there is just about 250 km times 500 km large. It really worries me that nothing could be found, given the SAR assets put to action. The P-3 Orions, C-130, the countless helicopters...

Seas are large places. 250x500km may not sound that large but this is 125000 square kilometers (a bit under 50k square miles). Even with this fleet of planes and ships it is a fairly large area to search through.

Then again, it seems increasingly odd that nothing has been found considering several bits of an airplane involved a crash should be calling for attention.

Much as I find it rather ridiculous the Flight 714 to Sydney scenario has a certain appeal to it.



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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:21 pm

Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 225):

The antennas are built to send the signal with maximum range horizontally and the most limiting factor is earths curvature. As said above there are extended range cell sites that can reach longer mounted on very high antennas along highways in rural areas.
The limitation is normally on the cell phone side as they have limited output power and can't send a signal strong enough to "talk" with the cell site.
The opposite is in more populated areas where you want a very small coverage and many cell sites to increase capacity. You limit the output power and/or tilt the antennas so in a city you can have less than a 1 km of reach per site.

So you can get a signal in an airplane but only if you fly on lower altitude and close to an area with cell site. If you have several cell sites you run into problem with the airplanes speed (specially with 2G), you can be connected but your calls will fail as you are trying to change from tower to tower and the network can't keep up.
(Off topic: This is also one of the reasons the mobile operators are against using phones on airplanes, it messes up their network at take offs and landings if you have have 1000s of phones trying to be connected at high speed)

When they talk about making calls on an airplane then it is routed through satellites.
In case of mobile calls you have a very small cell on-board with a very low output power (nano cell or pico cell), the same as you can use to increase indoor coverage in buildings.

You can get the ring tone even if you are calling a shutdown cell phone specially when you call somebody who is roaming. When you call a person, your operator needs to know where the person is located.
This is done by talking to the called phones network database (HLR in 2G) and there you have information where to route your call (operator, area etc).
So if the person is roaming, your network need to communicate with the foreign network to connect the call. If you have left your phone on when you take off, the phone will not get de-registered correctly and the network will still try to page it when a call arrives.
All this takes a lot of time and not to give the caller just silence (caller will hang up), a ringing tone can be generated. You can notice this sometimes with international calls when you first have one ringing tone and then it changes to a different one.

Sorry for the long answer... maybe got too carried away  

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:22 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Much as I find it rather ridiculous the Flight 714 to Sydney scenario has a certain appeal to it.

Funny, that also came to my mind. Not anymore though unfortunately.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:22 pm

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 220):
I just flew on a 747 in the upper deck business class and the flight attendant would come by with two trays of food, kick the bottom of the cockpit door with his foot and then the cockpit door would open. I could have been in the cockpit easily, so if I could do it I'm sure the bad guys have figured it out.
Quoting kelebek (Reply 227):
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 220):
I just flew on a 747 in the upper deck business class and the flight attendant would come by with two trays of food, kick the bottom of the cockpit door with his foot and then the cockpit door would open. I could have been in the cockpit easily, so if I could do it I'm sure the bad guys have figured it out.

Exactly!

4 words: Cockpit door surveillance camera.
I am sure they checked it before opening the door for the busy-handed FA on your flight.
Cockpit doors don't open just because someone bangs them with their foot (or knocks on them in a normal way).

Example:


PS. I just love people who post on here, who yet think that all cabin crew are helpless and not properly trained and are just doing the job for the non-existing glamour of it all.   
Yes, we are helpless against weapons and maniacs who are stronger than us but we CAN get help if we need it and I can ASSURE you that cockpit doors shut A LOT quicker than they open. This is my halfwhat-off-topic two cents to the people on here who think that the systems in place are completely worthless.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:23 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Much as I find it rather ridiculous the Flight 714 to Sydney scenario has a certain appeal to it.

Indeed it would be much better if they landed on an island in between Flores and Timor in Indonesia   

Still unbelievable to know that it has been nearly 48hrs and they haven't been able to find anything.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:26 pm

I thought I would do a quick recap for people that haven't read through the previous posts and show the most topics of debate/speculation:

- The flight has supposedly gone down 40 mins into the flight rather than 2 hours in as previously reported. 2 hours is when Malaysia was informed of the plane going missing.

- Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, USA, Philippines (and maybe China) are currently helping in the search effort.

- The sea is only ~60m/100 ft deep where it has supposedly crashed.

- 2 passengers were travelling with stolen passports and have purchased a ticket simultaneously as their E-ticket numbers were only one digit apart. They were flying KUL-PEK-AMS-CPH.

- The passengers who have had their passports stolen said they were taken in Thailand over the last two years and they were supposedly older passports with no chip - simply speculation that part.

- One Russian was stopped in KUL for using a stolen passport and was not allowed to board.

- An oil slick has been spotted just off Vietnam but this has yet to be confined as a link to the flight.

- Agent in KUL that did not spot the stolen passport is being questioned/charged.

- SAR has spotted some objects in the sea which could be "Yellow Lifejackets" but this has recently been dismissed.

This of course is not everything that has been discussed but I thought I would help some catch up rather than read through the 1500+ posts. Also it might help end repeat questions.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:28 pm

Reports of debris found by search plane....

http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia...light-370/SS-2-475558/SS-2-476118/

* Amongst debris is apparently a piece of the tail and piece of an inner door.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:29 pm

Already mentioned but has been dismissed as untrue by officials.

Quoting cipango (Reply 6):
This of course is not everything that has been discussed but I thought I would help some catch up rather than read through the 1500+ posts.

   Nice one.

Quoting cipango (Reply 6):
Also it might help end repeat questions.

Yes, it might help. It won't fix it, though.  

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[Edited 2014-03-09 08:14:26 by SA7700]
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:30 pm

According to pilot below MH370 was still in the air at 1:30 am

SEPANG: A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.

The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.

"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.

"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...-with-plane-1.503464#ixzz2vQyqusET
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:30 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 249):

How I love Tintin - and this episode, "Flight 714 to Sydney", is among my favorites.

Hmmm. I imagined a single airplane with its crew could search a strip about 2-3 kilometers wide. Then, every 15 kilometers one search flight (assuming that the debris is spread quite wide) should be manageable. And by now, at least some floating debris should have been found. But perhaps a marine SAR guy could chip in...

So this is either a Hollywood-style hijacking to a secret Tintin island, or the plane rather was rather atomized upon impact, SR111-style, and leaving no floating debris.


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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 7):
2 passengers were travelling with stolen passports and have purchased a ticket simultaneously as their E-ticket numbers were only one digit apart. They were flying KUL-PEK-AMS-CPH

The other passenger was flying KUL-PEK-AMS-FRA if I'm not mistaken.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Much as I find it rather ridiculous the Flight 714 to Sydney scenario has a certain appeal to it.


Thanks for the image of the TinTin swing wing SST Falcon! I recall that comic edition fondly.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:36 pm



#MH370 Vietnam search and rescue aircraft spotted new floating object. Authorities are not sure what it is.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:37 pm

Just in - Luigi Maraldi, the owner of one of the stolen passports, appeared at a press conference in Phuket:

http://files.newsnetz.ch/bildlegende/141164/1736668_pic_970x641.jpg

Both stolen passports were registered with Interpol, but Malaysia didn't update the list of invalid travel documents. Apparently both passports haven't been used since 2012 and 2013, respectively (or they have been used in a way that wouldn't trigger suspicion with any government).

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:38 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 8):
Quoting NDiesel (Reply 13):
#MH370 Vietnam search and rescue aircraft spotted new floating object. Authorities are not sure what it is.

They should fly deeper and/or should use a better camera than a cellphone, then they may identify it.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:40 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 10):
..... or the plane rather was rather atomized upon impact, SR111-style, and leaving no floating debris.

That was also my thoughts about SR111 when entered yesterday to Net and see the news about MH370. Also the Flight AF447 came to my mind and really can't think of others in this kind.

All participants are really making a great job to find MH370 and should be thanked for there work done till now.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:40 pm

With regards to fake ID's, here's a CNN article from 2009 which pretty much explains what's going down in Thailand with regards to that matter.

http://travel.cnn.com/bangkok/none/fake-ids-bangkok-137142
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:47 pm

Not trying to "solve the case" before the investigators, but the lack of debris concentrated in a límited area and the stolen passports lead to an intentional destruction of the plane at FL 350. I would be very happy if I'm completely wrong and the cause of this is related to a tech mistake or failure, but I'm turning more pesimistic every hour...
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:47 pm

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 13):
#MH370 Vietnam search and rescue aircraft spotted new floating object. Authorities are not sure what it is.

If that's the "yellow object" reported a while ago, I think that has been declared as not pertaining to MH370.

Call me a cynic but I have an instinctive distrust of information that appears first on social media sites (I assume that's what the "#" signifies).   
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:54 pm

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 13):
Vietnam search and rescue aircraft spotted new floating object. Authorities are not sure what it is.

"The suspected fragments were found floating about 50 miles south-southwest of Tho Chu Island and were believed to be a piece of an inner door and part of an airplane tail, Vietnamese officials said. Earlier Sunday, Vietnam's search and rescue officials said that they were investigating a report about a suspected piece of yellow debris seen floating in the same area."
source: Wall Street Journal

How do the SAR guys arrive at any interpretations about what they might have spotted? Are there true experts at hand who can reliably identify aircraft parts? Are there any attempts to recover suspicious looking debris or is this "identification" simply done by looking at some blurred photos?

Yesterday's search concluded with an (alleged) oil smear; has this been investigated any further? Today, they came up with some other stuff. To me, this looks like some agency who is deperate to announce some kind of success.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 19):
Not trying to "solve the case" before the investigators, but the lack of debris concentrated in a límited area and the stolen passports lead to an intentional destruction of the plane at FL 350. I would be very happy if I'm completely wrong and the cause of this is related to a tech mistake or failure, but I'm turning more pesimistic every hour...

If terrorists would have blown the 777 up at flight level then there would be many loose parts, mostly small, floating over a relatively vast area. That no traces have been found in two days does more look like it went down at high speed largely in one piece, taking "everything" underwater in the event.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 13):
Vietnam search and rescue aircraft spotted new floating object. Authorities are not sure what it is.

Almost looks like a window exit, though obviously the 777 doesn't have those.

If that's from the plane, it doesn't look like anything external, so it would have to be something from inside the cabin or fuselage.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:56 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 19):

If it had broken into pieces at FL350 I would imagine there would be plenty of debris to be found within large area, so far they have found none, which wasn't the case with most other in flight breakups.

I would rather say it crashed somewhere rather intact... I wonder if a bomb attack / failure of some kind would have caused the aircraft to disappear from radar a lot before it impacted the surface. If the damage had been serious enough to disable communications and such, yet still left the aircraft somewhat flyable could have made it to fly a lot off course before final impact. Perhaps it could have ended up in some rural parts of Malaysia, if the aircraft turned around? A crash site in middle of a rain forest could be difficult to spot.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:58 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 19):
the lack of debris concentrated in a límited area and the stolen passports lead to an intentional destruction of the plane at FL 350

Occam's Razor is all very well when there's a reasonable amount of evidence but I'm going to need more information before I even begin to guess what happened.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:00 pm

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 21):
How do the SAR guys arrive at any interpretations about what they might have spotted? Are there true experts at hand who can reliably identify aircraft parts?

You dont have to be a true expert. I believe that most SAR guys have flown on airliners before and are able to identify parts of an aircraft tail or inner door panels. If they are serving with the SAR they naturally must have some interest and knowlegde in aviation and planes.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:03 pm

Hi everyone, I've been occupied with some things lately and sorry to have written a reply for a response on the previous thread here. I do have more questions that might have been discussed before, which hopefully some could explain.

Quoting mandala499,reply=82 previous thread:
Hey, anything's possible right?

I do agree with you here Mandala499, anything's possible on why those two passengers boarded MH370 with a fake passport. Whether they were drug mules, illegal immigrants, criminals attempting to fled a country, or they might be even directly related to the flight's disappearance.

Well I don't think we would know about it anytime soon, but then under this circumstances, I am quite curious on finding out the passengers background prior boarding this flight.

I noticed that the air tickets were bought in Thailand, just a day before the flight (?). This makes me wonder if these people come to KUL on another flight connection from Thailand, which probably they did not clear immigration at all in KUL. Or were these passengers did originated from KUL and clear immigration in KUL in order to board this particular flight?

Quoting macsid,reply=149 previous thread:
They also claim that 5 people checked in but never boarded, and that their luggage was removed.

Hmm, it was interesting to hear this. Did anyone knew if these lucky passengers booked their flight under CZ or MH booking system?

As a "No show" to this flight, how far did they made it before they decided not to board, wondered if they made it passed the security screening and inside the boarding gate? It is quite strange that the media have not picked up on these five lucky passengers into their coverage.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:04 pm

Malaysia announced quickly that they welcome assistance from other governments in the search. So it seems there's Malaysian, Filipino, US, Chinese, Indonesian and Singaporean ships in the water.

I think it's a good thing Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia and Singapore are ASEAN members (and the US and China are ASEAN dialogue partners). While nowhere as integrated as the European Union, ASEAN has security and disaster management facets.. their foreign and defence ministers would know each other well. It'll be a test of how effective ASEAN regionalisation is.

I would speculate that if something like this happened in the East China Sea it's probably not going to be as smooth between China, Korea and Japan.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:04 pm

Quoting na (Reply 22):
If terrorists would have blown the 777 up at flight level then there would be many loose parts, mostly small, floating over a relatively vast area.

That's the way it looks to me as the hours pass.

Quoting na (Reply 22):
That no traces have been found in two days does more look like it went down at high speed largely in one piece, taking "everything" underwater in the event.

I'd rather say it crushed "everything" in the water. When you see what happened to SR 111 at about 300 knots...
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:05 pm

Wall Street Journal reports that a piece of tail & inner door would have been found, I tried to add link but somehow my post is all empty now...

I hope that's not another false rumour.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 31):
Wall Street Journal reports that a piece of tail & inner door would have been found, I tried to add link but somehow my post is all empty now...

Already done.

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 7):
Reports of debris found by search plane....

http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia...light-370/SS-2-475558/SS-2-476118/

* Amongst debris is apparently a piece of the tail and piece of an inner door.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:13 pm

Quoting irregking (Reply 4):

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 220):
I just flew on a 747 in the upper deck business class and the flight attendant would come by with two trays of food, kick the bottom of the cockpit door with his foot and then the cockpit door would open. I could have been in the cockpit easily, so if I could do it I'm sure the bad guys have figured it out.
Quoting kelebek (Reply 227):
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 220):
I just flew on a 747 in the upper deck business class and the flight attendant would come by with two trays of food, kick the bottom of the cockpit door with his foot and then the cockpit door would open. I could have been in the cockpit easily, so if I could do it I'm sure the bad guys have figured it out.

Exactly!

4 words: Cockpit door surveillance camera.
I am sure they checked it before opening the door for the busy-handed FA on your flight.
Cockpit doors don't open just because someone bangs them with their foot (or knocks on them in a normal way).

Example:



PS. I just love people who post on here, who yet think that all cabin crew are helpless and not properly trained and are just doing the job for the non-existing glamour of it all.   
Yes, we are helpless against weapons and maniacs who are stronger than us but we CAN get help if we need it and I can ASSURE you that cockpit doors shut A LOT quicker than they open. This is my halfwhat-off-topic two cents to the people on here who think that the systems in place are completely worthless.

The bad guys sit and watch all day every day for years at a time, they seek out the easy prey...if you don't think this then you are the helpless cabin crew you speak of...you need to very aware of your surroundings and policies at all times. The crew I watched was sloppy---I^ll leave it at that as I don't want to offend anyone. I know how tough the job is I'm just saying the bad guys have no time pressure,..they watch, they wait, they run small experiments etc...and this is a very hard scenario to beat 100 percent of the time.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:13 pm

Naturally, since this new "floating item" was photographed from the air, and it's nighttime again, we won't hear anything for another 12 hours or so. And by then it will probably have floated away.

I'm still amazed at how little we know about what happened.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:14 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
A floating object has been found.

I think that might be the "yellow object" reported earlier but since reported as having nothing to do with MH370. I think I saw that on BBC TV so no link, I'm afraid.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:21 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 19):
Not trying to "solve the case" before the investigators, but the lack of debris concentrated in a límited area and the stolen passports lead to an intentional destruction of the plane at FL 350. I would be very happy if I'm completely wrong and the cause of this is related to a tech mistake or failure, but I'm turning more pesimistic every hour...

It remains a possibility, but unlikely given the based on the information (or lack of it) we have.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 24):
I would rather say it crashed somewhere rather intact... I wonder if a bomb attack / failure of some kind would have caused the aircraft to disappear from radar a lot before it impacted the surface. If the damage had been serious enough to disable communications and such, yet still left the aircraft somewhat flyable could have made it to fly a lot off course before final impact. Perhaps it could have ended up in some rural parts of Malaysia, if the aircraft turned around? A crash site in middle of a rain forest could be difficult to spot.

If that was where it went, the military radar would have picked it up as it will detect whether or not you have a transponder or not...

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 28):
I noticed that the air tickets were bought in Thailand, just a day before the flight (?). This makes me wonder if these people come to KUL on another flight connection from Thailand, which probably they did not clear immigration at all in KUL. Or were these passengers did originated from KUL and clear immigration in KUL in order to board this particular flight?

If they flew from Thailand, then it opens the gate for a lot of possibilities. If they carried no luggage, they can simply fly out of somewhere with a different name, then went onto this flight using these names and these fake passports. This doesn't rule out terrorism, but also doesn't rule out immigration/refugee/ etc... Not sure about the laws but if they're found to have fake IDs, they would be arrested... if they're seeking refugee status, that's where they'll then declare refugee status (and reveal their real identities for protection). If they're to be thrown back to where they came from... where would you send them back to? China? They didn't come from China... Malaysia? Well, is there evidence they passed through immigration in Malaysia... etc etc...now if they had done started a flight using different names and passports then switched onto this, if they're caught, the country where they landed can't send them to "nowhere". Just my guess anyways...
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Well i personally would find it strange if they would just find a single piece of derbis and no other pieces in the area nearby. And what about the messages what was picked up in utapao by the us army that the captain reported something like "damage on the fuselage"? Was that checked further of investigated? I personally think two or more persons had a kind of bomb shoe and maybe blew up a small part of the airplane and then it went from bad to worse. It is just too much coincedense with those two people traveling with stolen passports.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:26 pm

Quoting illinicmi (Reply 36):
Naturally, since this new "floating item" was photographed from the air, and it's nighttime again, we won't hear anything for another 12 hours or so. And by then it will probably have floated away.

I hope they dropped a buoy/marker and directed a ship there which could salvage those parts overnight. Unless they are amateurs or badly equipped of course.
 
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Quoting EVAAIRBR076 (Reply 40):
And what about the messages what was picked up in utapao by the us army that the captain reported something like "damage on the fuselage"? Was that checked further of investigated?

Yes it was. It was dismissed as not true.

Quoting na (Reply 41):
Unless they are amateurs or badly equipped of course.

... or it was determined that it had nothing to do with MH370.

Quoting cipango (Reply 6):
Also it might help end repeat questions.

Ah well. At least you made the effort.  
 
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 39):
If they flew from Thailand, then it opens the gate for a lot of possibilities. If they carried no luggage, they can simply fly out of somewhere with a different name, then went onto this flight using these names and these fake passports. This doesn't rule out terrorism, but also doesn't rule out immigration/refugee/ etc... Not sure about the laws but if they're found to have fake IDs, they would be arrested... if they're seeking refugee status, that's where they'll then declare refugee status (and reveal their real identities for protection). If they're to be thrown back to where they came from... where would you send them back to? China? They didn't come from China... Malaysia? Well, is there evidence they passed through immigration in Malaysia... etc etc...now if they had done started a flight using different names and passports then switched onto this, if they're caught, the country where they landed can't send them to "nowhere". Just my guess anyways...

Considering the distance from Pattaya and Kuala Lumpur, it is some struggle to get Pattaya-KUL overland in one day, at least a 14-hour ride. If all folks entering Malaysia overland are filmed/photographed, it's not that hard to check whether these guys passed the only (?) Thai/Malaysian border entry post. if these guys flew in on different passports, the Malaysian they could only have hand luggage on themselves. If they used the same identities, at least Thai migration should have had bells ringing as I believe these passports had to be recorded as 'stolen' in their system. Besides, the two guys had to contact some transfer desk in KUL as they transited with two different bookings. Looks artificially too complex for a terrorist operation.

I am totally sure the Authorities already know the way of these two guys coming to KLIA; otherwise they are extremely lousy. I am surprised and concerned that we get no information on this lead.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:36 pm

I am really astonished by the fact that they have still not found the aircraft, or even the crash site. Would think that we in 2014, we all our technology, should be able to find a downed 777 within 48 hours.

I really hope they find the aircraft soon, so that the relatives of those who perished and the rest of the world, can get some answers.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:37 pm

You don't need to be in the country to purchase the tickets. Anyone can do it for you.

[Edited 2014-03-09 07:44:29]
 
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Object suspected of belonging to missing plane found Vietnam’s Civil Aviation Authority says a navy plane has found parts suspected of belonging to the Malaysian Airlines plane, Reuters reports.

The sighting has not yet been confirmed by Malaysian Airlines, which said an hour ago that it was waiting for information from search and rescue teams.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:40 pm

BBC is reporting as "Breaking News" that the Vietnamese Navy has found an object which is suspected to belong to the missing airliner. Perhaps something other than the "yellow object" has been found or perhaps the BBC headline writers are out of sync with some of the information they've reported.

  
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:41 pm

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 44):
I am surprised and concerned that we get no information on this lead.

If all this stolen-passport-do you-need-a-visa-no-baggage-sneaking-into-countries stuff actually amounts to anything then it constitutes a criminal investigation in its early stages so it's not likely we would hear anything.
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Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 45):
Would think that we in 2014, we all our technology, should be able to find a downed 777 within 48 hours.

We in 2014 tend to have an inflated opinion of our capabilities.  
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:44 pm

Finnish medias reports that a part of the airplane has been found according to vietnamese aviation authorities.
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288663322230.html?pos=navnow (finnish only)
 
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 39):
It remains a possibility, but unlikely given the based on the information (or lack of it) we have.

Oh absolutelly.... this case is exteremely intriguing.... AF 447 disappeared in a vast, remote área of the Atlantic, without the best radar coverage to say the least, crossing a big sector of bad weather and crashed in very deep water. Now we have MH370 vanished in the Gulf of Thailand, a place that somone described in the Part 1 of the thread as so full of small/midsize/big ships that you could confuse the stars on the sky with the lights in the sea. Good radar coverage. Shallow waters. Weather perfectly fine...I mean, where the **ll is the aircraft ???? I can only imagine how frustrated the SAR teams and specially the families of the passengers are after so many hours without knowing what happened...

Quoting David L (Reply 42):
Quoting cipango (Reply 6):Also it might help end repeat questions.Ah well. At least you made the effort.

I can understand the people saying things that were mentioned before. 5 threads at +/-250 post = 1.250 posts, some short, some others very long .... I had a lot of free time this weekend and I was not even close to read a third of all the posts....

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:45 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 48):
BBC is reporting as "Breaking News" that the Vietnamese Navy has found an object which is suspected to belong to the missing airliner. Perhaps something other than the "yellow object" has been found or perhaps the BBC headline writers are out of sync with some of the information they've reported.

Sky News are reporting the same 'breaking news'.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:46 pm

Here is a link to a printout of the last six minutes of the flightradar24 data for MH370 from another forum.
www.dropbox.com/s/9n85w9rvfqxpwza/mh370.PNG

This was accompanied by comments about flightradar24 reception in that area and that coverage is from about 30,000 ft upwards. That could be due to the receiver's line of sight being affected by terrain or buildings. So for instance, if the aircraft went below 30,000 ft in 30 secs, the signal would be lost. Oceanic Control for that area may have better receivers and coverage than flightradar24 and have ADS-B info from a lower altitude.

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