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Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:19 am

Due to length part 7 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 8.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:29 am

I made the very last post in the previous thread, taking the liberty of re-posting it here:

I had asked about the plausibility of the plane crashing into a mountain, and...

Quote:
Quoting s5daw (Reply 82):
Wouldn't that make it much more likely for someone to pick ELT signal by now?

Has there ever been an instance where a "black box" has been destroyed in a crash?

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Quoting rampart (Reply 2):
Has there ever been an instance where a "black box" has been destroyed in a crash?

Didn't they only recover one FDR CVR set from the 9/11 planes?
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Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 277):
Quick Electrical power loss... Anyone know what the RAT powers on the 777?

You'd have to lose both engine generators, both backup generators, the APU wouldn't auto start/start, and lose the battery -- the odds of that are to say the least to small to think about. If you did lose all that I'm guessing the RAT wouldn't be able to provide any power either. But to answer your question, the RAT provides enough electrical power (Captain's & FO's instrument bus and Battery bus) to safely get the airplane to an airport and land
 
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cipango did a great recap at the start of part 7. Unfortunately it still is completely up-to-date.
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I just received an email from a user who just registered, zhouyixiao1992.

He's requesting an interview, online, which I find slightly amusing. In any case, I will not be answering as I am purely an amateur and at best speculating like everyone else.

Here are the questions if anyone is willing to be interviewed:

1/ How many factors will affect the safety of a trip by plane and What are
they? We suppose the list may contain "aircraft type", "air route",
"captain", "weather", "airline company's financial condition"and so on.

2/ How the factors will affect the safety? Could you tell us more details
about every factor? or you can give us some official or reliable
references/website links about that.
2.1/ Which aircraft type was the safest one in Civil Aviation? Whether it
is true that a big aircraft is surely safer than a small one. Any other
tips for the passengers?
2.2/ It's said that a "sea" air route will confront more dangers, is it
true?
2.3/ How financial condition will affect the aircraft's safety condition?
etc.

3/ About MH370, if we exclude the possibility of terrorism, which factors
will be the most likely that makes an Boeing 777 crash on the sea? the
weather, the mechanical breakdown, or others?

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Quoting Senchingo (Reply 285):

So can it power radios or transponders?

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 283):

Now that I see what you are asking...

1) we agree, The ministers comments are out of line.

2) the border control can detain those entering their soil, or deny entry to those trying to enter their soil. I am not sure if a country can do this to their own citizen, but they could defiantly do this to a citizen of another country.

3) as has been explained - Malaysia did not check to see if the passports were stolen. They just did a check of the passport in front of them - check the person to the picture, check the expiration dates, check any outstanding concerns in the Malaysians database, and stamped the passport. Interpols database was never checked, nor was the country of origins database checked.


Post from locked thread, after the lock message sorry for broken links

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Sadly as predicted.

Vietnam says cannot find object from missing jet

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia: Vietnamese searchers on ships worked throughout the night but could not find a rectangle object spotted Sunday afternoon that was thought to be one of the doors of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet that went missing more than two days ago.

Doan Huu Gia, the chief of Vietnam’s search and rescue coordination centre, said Monday that six planes and seven ships from Vietnam were searching for the object but nothing had been found.

Read more: MISSING MH370: Vietnam says cannot find object from missing jet - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...F7.224368%2F7.425366#ixzz2vWlrAaNd
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How long was it before AF 447 wreckage was found? Was it over 3 days. Just wondering....thanks!
 
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Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
I will not be answering as I am purely an amateur and at best only Deputy Armchair CEO

Sorry to say, but you are pushing it too far now... Deputy Armchair CEO? Come on...

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 7):
So can it power radios or transponders?

I would say if the RAT is deployed, it would purely be for vital mechanical systems but not for communication. However i am not a mechanic/system professional, so i would rather leave this one to the specialists.

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Malaysian authorities about to give a press conference....
 
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I swear by 777s and go out of my way to fly on them. I just love the aircraft. This really saddens me as it does so many others. Hope there is a resolution soon. Cannot imagine what the loved ones are going through. The human aspect of this accident is unfathomable.
 
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I'll take a stab at this "interview" but will post here so everyone can read and comment. For credentials record, I am a licensed commercial pilot but not on airliners.

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
1/ How many factors will affect the safety of a trip by plane and What are
they? We suppose the list may contain "aircraft type", "air route",
"captain", "weather", "airline company's financial condition"and so on.

There are many many factors. The most important ones are perhaps maintenance, operational procedures, weather and crew training.

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
2/ How the factors will affect the safety? Could you tell us more details
about every factor? or you can give us some official or reliable
references/website links about that.

Aviation-safety.net has good stats on causes of historical accidents.

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
2.1/ Which aircraft type was the safest one in Civil Aviation? Whether it
is true that a big aircraft is surely safer than a small one. Any other
tips for the passengers?

That question is meaningless. All civil aircraft flying today are extremely safe. Crashes are so few, and for different reasons, that comparing models is invalid statistics.

There is no real data suggesting large airliners are inherently safer than small ones. The simple fact that more small airliners are flying means if there is an accident, it is more likely to be a small airliner. This does not mean small airliners are less safe.

The airline, meaning maintenance, crew training and operational procedures, has a great impact on safety. The model of airliner is more or less irrelevant in this regard.

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
2.2/ It's said that a "sea" air route will confront more dangers, is it
true?

Not in any material way at cruise.

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
2.3/ How financial condition will affect the aircraft's safety condition?
etc.

It might impact the state of mind of crews. It might also affect maintenance, but this is strictly regulated so unlikely to be affected unless the airline is doing very badly.

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
3/ About MH370, if we exclude the possibility of terrorism, which factors
will be the most likely that makes an Boeing 777 crash on the sea? the
weather, the mechanical breakdown, or others?

So many possibilities. Hijack, bombing, pilot suicide, weather is extremely unlikely (and was fine at the time of the accident), mechanical failure is also extremely unlikely, pilot error but this is a very complex issue.

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OK, now we'll wait and see if Piers Morgan quotes from your " interview" on his next report.

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Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
Here are the questions if anyone is willing to be interviewed:

As a fellow amateur and deputy armchair ceo, send him/her to me.
Commenting on this accident, I just spent the weekend swamped by the media with my face splattered across TV screens in Indonesia, and Canada, as well as being quoted on print and web media in English, French, Spanish, Chinese and Vietnamese. (And Greek... no Russian or Portuguese yet!)... so another Chinese media wouldn't hurt...

That explains why I've hardly been writing on a.net regarding this accident (and that there's not much to go on, but the topics has been filling quickly making it impossible to catch up)

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Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 13):
OK, now we'll wait and see if Piers Morgan quotes from your " interview" on his next report.

(Sarcasm font assumed)

There really should be a sarcasm tag.  
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Quoting Coal (Reply 5):
Here are the questions if anyone is willing to be interviewed:

Boy, if those are the question journalists are asking, my opinion of them in matters of aviation just went down a few more notches.

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 6):
Malaysia did not check to see if the passports were stolen. They just did a check of the passport in front of them

According to an interview in the BBC with the guy from Interpol in charge of the passports, no other country has checked those two in particular, and that in general, few countries ever check the list. According to him there are currently 39 million passports in their database reported as stolen.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 12):
I'll take a stab at this "interview"

No reflection on you from my comment above. It´s just that I find those questions useless and maybe even absurd.
 
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Quoting flyenthu (Reply 9):

How long was it before AF 447 wreckage was found? Was it over 3 days. Just wondering....thanks!

Read somewhere that it was around 2 weeks
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Quoting flyenthu (Reply 9):
How long was it before AF 447 wreckage was found? Was it over 3 days. Just wondering.

The first debris were spotted 2 days following the suspected crash, and confirmed to be from AF447 the day after. The "iconic" vertical stabilizer was found 6 days after the crash.
 
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Quoting flyenthu (Reply 8):
How long was it before AF 447 wreckage was found? Was it over 3 days. Just wondering....thanks!

Yes but it was a 2 day sail to the last known co-ordinates

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 11):
I swear by 777s and go out of my way to fly on them. I just love the aircraft.

I'm not a fan but that doesn't mean that I question their safety record.
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That part sighted, since the -200 has no overwing exits, could have been a disintegrated part from a door then. Looks like the upper half of a door.

And as others posted, it sunk.
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Quoting Senchingo (Reply 9):
I would say if the RAT is deployed, it would purely be for vital mechanical systems but not for communication.

It will handle communication and navigation as well as various hydraulic requirements.
 
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Quoting flyenthu (Reply 9):
How long was it before AF 447 wreckage was found? Was it over 3 days. Just wondering....

Well, depends on what exactly you mean by "wreckage". The FDR was found on 27/04/2011 (so if you take the crash morning of 01/06/2009 it was 695 days).

Bodies and pieces of the wreckage have been first discovered on 06/06/2009, 5 days after the accident.

All activity was stopped on 03/06/2011, 728 days after the occurence.

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Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 290 in previous thread):

mmigration officials let those Asian descent individuals holding European passports admitted into their border.... We can't blame those immigration officials that way

I agree with what you are saying actually, and again I do apologise if I misleaded you on the earlier reply as I have referred what I was actually trying to say in reply 283 of the previous thread (Part 7).

Quoting 9VSIO reply 289 previous thread:
I don't think you should be detained or refused, but a few quick questions surely wouldn't go amiss, especially if they then don't appear to have an accent, etc.

Well I would agree if a few questions might have actually raised the sufficient grounds for suspiscion. But again, we do not know what actually happened in the border when these individuals entered Malaysia. The officers on duty might have done the sufficient questioning, and that probably these mysterious individuals are well trained into their fabricated story, leading border security officers to have believed their story and admitted them entry to Malaysia.

[quote=Web500sjc (Reply 7):
Interpols database was never checked, nor was the country of origins database checked.

Oops sorry that I have missed this one. I guess this is a lesson learnt for the officials in Malaysia (and probably its neighbours too) for a more thorough identity checks at border crossings, and to stay updated with international databases such as interpol's.
 
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Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 17):

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 9):

How long was it before AF 447 wreckage was found? Was it over 3 days. Just wondering....thanks!

Read somewhere that it was around 2 weeks

It took two years before the majority of the wreckage or the black boxes where found on AF447. It took 5 days before any floating debris was found. We are in very early days for MH370.
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Quoting AR385 (Reply 16):
Boy, if those are the question journalists are asking, my opinion of them in matters of aviation just went down a few more notches.

LOL! It does look a bit odd... But we should all be used to questions such as those and provide the objective answer.
And... if you don't want to answer it, just say you don't... If they insist you answer with something you don't agree with or point that way, just simply say, "OK, that's it, no more" and walk out.   
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Quoting flyenthu (Reply 8):

How long was it before AF 447 wreckage was found? Was it over 3 days. Just wondering....thanks!

Spotted from the air roughly the next day by the Brazilian Air Force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#Surface_search
 
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Live briefing from Malaysia happening now 12:03pm SIN/HKT, 4:03am GMT.

On CNN and assuming on all others, too.

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Man on TV (I think Malaysian authorities spokesman?) is saying they have search both Gulf of Thailand and Strait of Malacca, e.g. on both sides of Peninsular Malaysia.

Edit: Confirms they have not found anything.

Edit: Confirms that what has been spotted by Vietnamese and other aircraft, is indeed not part of MH 370.

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KCAL 9 in Los Angeles just reported that officials are reviewing RADAR because the plane may have started to turn back to KUL before it went down.
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Again just speculation, I saw on twitter a post saying 55 yr fisherman made a police report after sighting a jet flying "unusually and suspiciously low" that day
Can any of our Bahasa speaking friends translate this

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Either the search co-ordinator has ready access to all neighbouring and other country surveillance data, the search is being professionally co-ordinated, and information is deliberately being witheld, or............. It's as unprofessional as the media releases suggest.
 
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http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-...ane-pilot-contacted-mh370-just-it-

Interesting read..... just don't know if its true.

"A pilot said he established contact with Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 moments before it went missing."
 
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Quoting chrisrad (Reply 30):

Day? It disappeared at ~1:22 in the morning.
 
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Quoting indcwby (Reply 32):

Been posted dozens of times.

It's not very likely given the claimed time.

[Edited 2014-03-09 21:14:28]
 
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Quoting Coal (Reply 28):
Edit: Confirms that what has been spotted by Vietnamese and other aircraft, is indeed not part of MH 370.

That includes the supposed door that was spotted near the oil slicks, right?

[Edited 2014-03-09 21:26:43]
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Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 33):
Quoting chrisrad (Reply 30):

Day? It disappeared at ~1:22 in the morning.

Probably meaning on that "date"
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Quoting indcwby (Reply 32):

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-...ane-pilot-contacted-mh370-just-it-

Interesting read..... just don't know if its true.

"A pilot said he established contact with Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 moments before it went missing."

Not true as stated in previous threads.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 29):

KCAL 9 in Los Angeles just reported that officials are reviewing RADAR because the plane may have started to turn back to KUL before it went down.

Known since previous threads.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 25):
Quoting AR385 (Reply 16):
Boy, if those are the question journalists are asking, my opinion of them in matters of aviation just went down a few more notches.

LOL! It does look a bit odd... But we should all be used to questions such as those and provide the objective answer.
And... if you don't want to answer it, just say you don't... If they insist you answer with something you don't agree with or point that way, just simply say, "OK, that's it, no more" and walk out.   

Let's face it. If a journalist doesn't have access to better sources, he's probably working for a smallish news outlet, or freelancing. And he's probably not an aviation journalist. If he was working for the BBC he'd just contact Mandala499 or the like immediately.
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Quoting chrisrad (Reply 36):

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 33):
Quoting chrisrad (Reply 30):

Day? It disappeared at ~1:22 in the morning.

Probably meaning on that "date"

Still, how in the world would he see it? Wouldn't it have been dark?
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Quoting indcwby (Reply 32):

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-...ane-pilot-contacted-mh370-just-it-

Interesting read..... just don't know if its true.

"A pilot said he established contact with Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 moments before it went missing."

Already verified long ago as false...

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 29):
KCAL 9 in Los Angeles just reported that officials are reviewing RADAR because the plane may have started to turn back to KUL before it went down.


That was news... yesterday.
 
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Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 38):
Still, how in the world would he see it? Wouldn't it have been dark?

Well, the plane would have been obvious if it's lights were on.

We need to know where he was and what time he saw the plane and a description of the plane.
 
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Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 38):
Still, how in the world would he see it? Wouldn't it have been dark?

Marker lights?
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:19 am

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 29):
KCAL 9 in Los Angeles just reported that officials are reviewing RADAR because the plane may have started to turn back to KUL before it went down.

As I said in the other thread, since this keeps coming up I´ll post it again. Airliners suffering from catastrophic failure brought about for whatever reason, may sometimes do a lot of odd maneuvers before actually crashing. Maybe that´s what that supposed "turn" is. The KAL 007 did such turns and ended up spiraling into the sea almost 20 mins. after two missiles hit it.

Unless radar actually shows the flight continuing somewhere after they turned, I don´t think such a turn is that important, but they are not saying wether radar shows more or not.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:21 am

Quoting SEA (Reply 39):
That was news... yesterday.

Yeah, I just saw that. Sorry about that. I was not on here yesterday.

Stupid question, but why can't a military airplane or ship with SONAR just go near the area where the plane is believed to be and scan the ocean floor? Has this already happened?
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:21 am

On the news conference, a reporter asked if they are investigated a Chinese group claiming responsibility, but spokesman says he does not know of the report and it is being investigated with the security service, not the crash investigations.

I haven't heard of this before. Possible that perhaps a Uighur (or other) group of extremists has claimed responsibility but has been censored by China?

Spokesman confirmed all checked in baggage was "clean".

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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:21 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...lines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140310

Fair Use: The United States extensively reviewed imagery taken by American spy satellites for evidence of a mid-air explosion, but saw none at all, an authoritative U.S. government source said. The source described U.S. satellite coverage of the region as thorough.

My guess is that beyond optical imagining satellites they also may be referring to USNDS capability on satellites to detect high magnitude explosions as well.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:21 am

Quoting indcwby (Reply 32):

That is eerie! I have no idea, but what could cause the interference as reported by the 777 pilot?
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:22 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 40):
Well, the plane would have been obvious if it's lights were on.

That is true. I didn't think about that. But wouldn't still have been hard to tell altitude?
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:23 am

Quoting Senchingo (Reply 22):
Bodies and pieces of the wreckage have been first discovered on 06/06/2009, 5 days after the accident.
Quoting flyorski (Reply 24):
It took 5 days before any floating debris was found.

The last contact with the aircraft was at 1:35AM UTC on June 1. The first wreckage was spotted (actual wreckage, not something that turned out to be a red herring) at 3:20PM UTC on June 2.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/world/europe/03plane.html?_r=0

So about 38 hours.

I'm not sure where this "5 days" stuff is coming from.

And that was in open ocean.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:24 am

Quoting chrisrad (Reply 30):
Again just speculation, I saw on twitter a post saying 55 yr fisherman made a police report after sighting a jet flying "unusually and suspiciously low" that day
Can any of our Bahasa speaking friends translate this

http://twitter.com/Idiosamcrasy/status/442871760757596160/photo/1

It is a report by a fisherman. Text is as follows (I've ignored grammatical correctness in favour of translatig the message as givewn in the pic):

At 08/03/2014 at approximately 0130HRS, I friend of mine by the name of "Pader Rohim" and I, while fishing at Kuala Besar, Badang, saw the lights of an aircraft passing our location. The lights in question were from an aircraft, I was puzzled because the aircraft was flying rather lower than the other aircraft that I have usually seen before this. The aircraft in question was fyling below the clouds from the direction leaving the country. On returning home after sunrise, I heard that a MAS aircraft was missing. End of my report"

I'll hasten to add, the format of this wording is familiar use of Bahasa and the local cops (I have had cause to make a couple of police reports locally of late)

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