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Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:27 pm

Good article in today's Boston Herald covering yesterday's inaugural from Dubai.

http://bostonherald.com/business/bus.../03/boston_dubai_bookings_take_off

Of note is the bullishness displayed by CEO Tim Clark:


“For the life of me, I can’t see why Boston wouldn’t take a double-daily frequency or 380s in the air,” Clark said. “On the basis of the forward bookings, the route would take it.”

Now I suppose every inaugural address has this sort of 'hyperbole,' but I also suppose Emirates sees the advance bookings for Boston-Dubai and knows that a -300ER is needed, and perhaps beyond that...two of them each day. If there's any 'hyperbole,' it's the comment about the A380. That, I think, is far-fetched. Mostly because Boston hasn't prepared itself for handling the 'Super' (the recent Singapore A380 diversion last week notwithstanding).
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Thread starter):
Mostly because Boston hasn't prepared itself for handling the 'Super' (the recent Singapore A380 diversion last week notwithstanding).

Airports are usually willing to make the necessary adjustments.

Clark also added he can see Boston A380 service within the year.

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Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:35 pm

Handling the various A380 diversions which have frequented BOS are not nearly the same as handling scheduled A380 service, which the airport is very far from being able to do. I see the -300 showing up very quickly, and wouldn't be surprised to have double daily at some point - a morning departure would work well. If the next few weeks are any indication this will happen soon - all flights this week are overbooked.

Massport is also courting a link to MXP, so I'm sure EK would look at this as an option similar to the JFK run.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:43 pm

I do believe Emirates uses the -200LR as a 'route starter' before a switch to something bigger happens. Look at the relative fleet sizes for the -200LR (ten frames) and the -300ER (a gazillion).
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:01 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
all flights this week are overbooked

Wow...and only 2 unsold yesterday. If the flights are already overbooked in some cases, doesn't the -300ER have to show up on those days that it is?
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:04 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
Handling the various A380 diversions which have frequented BOS are not nearly the same as handling scheduled A380 service, which the airport is very far from being able to do. I see the -300 showing up very quickly, and wouldn't be surprised to have double daily at some point - a morning departure would work well. If the next few weeks are any indication this will happen soon - all flights this week are overbooked.

Let's not forget that this is Spring Break season for the more than 100 colleges in the area and that EK had some outstanding introductory fares. Then comes Summer which is equally busy. So this year, a 77W maybe but next Winter is when we'll know for sure what this market looks like, especially with TK coming here too.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:10 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 4):
Wow...and only 2 unsold yesterday. If the flights are already overbooked in some cases, doesn't the -300ER have to show up on those days that it is?

Amazing prospects ... TK management must be pulling their hair for not starting sooner!

If bookings are consistently strong ... EK will probably upgauge even before TK arrives!!
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:20 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 6):
Amazing prospects ... TK management must be pulling their hair for not starting sooner!

They sort of serve different markets. EK is all about India. TK only serves 2 destinations in India. DXB is too far East even to be a Middle East hub. IST serves not only the ME but Europe too. Until TK can get more destinations and frequencies to India the 2 airlines won't overlap too much. For example, I think Russia and Israel are going to be 2 huge markets for TK from Boston.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:33 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
Handling the various A380 diversions which have frequented BOS are not nearly the same as handling scheduled A380 service, which the airport is very far from being able to do.

Why?
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:46 pm

VINI VIDI VICI.

The same old Emirates story told over and over again. And they are only just starting!

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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:34 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
They sort of serve different markets. EK is all about India. TK only serves 2 destinations in India. DXB is too far East even to be a Middle East hub. IST serves not only the ME but Europe too. Until TK can get more destinations and frequencies to India the 2 airlines won't overlap too much. For example, I think Russia and Israel are going to be 2 huge markets for TK from Boston.

You are right - we actually discussed this before here. But I forgot in the excitement of the moment! 

TK's catchment is indeed a lot different. Russia, Israel, Balkans, Central Asia, Levant, Northern Africa ... all these new markets will be covered by them before they compete with EK for Gulf, Iran/Iraq, and India.

For the Subcontinent, EK is definitely ahead with so many secondary cities and frequencies. For example, EK flies THRICE DAILY to DAC ... two families I know (10 people altogether) are flying BOS-DXB-DAC in a few weeks.

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
Handling the various A380 diversions which have frequented BOS are not nearly the same as handling scheduled A380 service, which the airport is very far from being able to do.

I had the same question. Massport is already working on making two gates compatible with the A380. The runway/taxiway width requirements are manageable if I understood correctly from the other thread. Why is Logan "very far from being able to" handle scheduled A380 service? Maybe a year or two ... or do you think more?

Quoting parapente (Reply 9):

VINI VIDI VICI.

The same old Emirates story told over and over again. And they are only just starting!

Indeed! It is hard to decipher whether demand brings EK, or EK brings demand?!! 

But either way, looks like this route has taken off better than expected already. Either they upgauge soon to a 77W or maybe throw in a second frequency (via MXP)
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:48 pm

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“On the basis of the forward bookings, the route would take it.”

Sure. And the yields? BOSBOM is running around $1000 all in, or about 5.7 cents/mile
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:54 pm

BOS is better off going double daily B777s rather than a daily A380 only. With good feed available via B6 code share out of BOS, it will be good for EK especially considering that its prime ISC arrival flight wave does not see a bottle neck situation at 7am DXB time hence why the double daily option with the second flight departing DXB at 0200-0300 is a more viable move IMO !
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:19 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 10):
Why is Logan "very far from being able to" handle scheduled A380 service? Maybe a year or two ... or do you think more?

The airport, particularly its terminals, wasn't designed to accommodate aircraft of that size, and parking the aircraft at Terminal E would block an adjacent gate. This is problematic at a terminal which is already full at peak hours. Taxiway spacing is also a significant issue. There's really very little room to fix these problems, either -- the airport is on a limited piece of real estate.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:30 pm

Quoting bobdino (Reply 8):
Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
Handling the various A380 diversions which have frequented BOS are not nearly the same as handling scheduled A380 service, which the airport is very far from being able to do.

Why?

Because diverted passengers often don't disembark and luggage isn't off-loaded. Even if passengers to disembark, they'll tolerate a single jetway exit, whereas they won't be as likely to in regular service.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:32 pm

One thing I would like to take the chance and ask, why is EK's total airfare including a smaller proportion of 'fees and taxes' in a typical air ticket? For example, the total costs for a flight from UK to Asia will be similar on EK and LH, however, the base fare will be lower in LH than EK while the 'taxes and fees' are higher in LH, any reason why?
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:39 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 10):
Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
Handling the various A380 diversions which have frequented BOS are not nearly the same as handling scheduled A380 service, which the airport is very far from being able to do.

I had the same question. Massport is already working on making two gates compatible with the A380. The runway/taxiway width requirements are manageable if I understood correctly from the other thread. Why is Logan "very far from being able to" handle scheduled A380 service? Maybe a year or two ... or do you think more?
Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
The airport, particularly its terminals, wasn't designed to accommodate aircraft of that size, and parking the aircraft at Terminal E would block an adjacent gate. This is problematic at a terminal which is already full at peak hours. Taxiway spacing is also a significant issue. There's really very little room to fix these problems, either -- the airport is on a limited piece of real estate.
Quoting bobdino (Reply 8):

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
Handling the various A380 diversions which have frequented BOS are not nearly the same as handling scheduled A380 service, which the airport is very far from being able to do.

Why?

Yes, however this is not the only issue. Even with the new terminal extension which will have 2 A380 capable gates, the runway and taxiway infrastructure will need some serious attention prior to scheduled A380 service, and real estate is already at a premium. As it stands right now, you can park an A380 at gate 8A (and you lose 8B) or you can park on Gate 5 and lose 6 and 4 - this is where SQ has parked the past 2 diversions. IF and a big IF an airline wanted to operat an A380, and agreed to operate between 1000-1500, MAYBE it could be worked in, however I don't think anyone wants that early of a departure utilizing an A380 and this would mean escorting the manatee every day, boarding with only 1 jetbridge, etc...can't work.

EK is also not the only one interested in the A380 - AF and LH (and I'm sure BA would follow) would all currently love to operate an A380 to BOS if the capability was there.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:59 pm

there is going to be a day when Emirates is the largest aircraft operator at most US airports - and I think that Emirates will be flying to a LOT more US destinations. STL, PIT, DEN, LAS, SAN, PDX, ATL, MCO are just a few that WILL open once the smaller aircraft come online. I wouldn't be surprised if EK flies to at least 20 US destinations in 5 years. They have an amazing product (despite the horrid 777 coach seating) and do well at managing their fares and inventory.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:49 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 17):
Yes, however this is not the only issue. Even with the new terminal extension which will have 2 A380 capable gates, the runway and taxiway infrastructure will need some serious attention prior to scheduled A380 service, and real estate is already at a premium. As it stands right now, you can park an A380 at gate 8A (and you lose 8B) or you can park on Gate 5 and lose 6 and 4 - this is where SQ has parked the past 2 diversions. IF and a big IF an airline wanted to operat an A380, and agreed to operate between 1000-1500, MAYBE it could be worked in, however I don't think anyone wants that early of a departure utilizing an A380 and this would mean escorting the manatee every day, boarding with only 1 jetbridge, etc...can't work.

Thanks for explaining! Does look difficult indeed for scheduled A380 service at Terminal E...

Speaking for myself, I am not a fan of the Manatees ... I would rather take double daily 777s!
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:22 pm

I'm jealous. DFW started with a 772LR and it has stayed that way for more than a year....no switch to a 77W anytime soon.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:28 pm

Quoting usxguy (Reply 18):
there is going to be a day when Emirates is the largest aircraft operator at most US airports - and I think that Emirates will be flying to a LOT more US destinations. STL, PIT, DEN, LAS, SAN, PDX, ATL, MCO are just a few that WILL open once the smaller aircraft come online. I wouldn't be surprised if EK flies to at least 20 US destinations in 5 years. They have an amazing product (despite the horrid 777 coach seating) and do well at managing their fares and inventory.

I think all those are possible...except for STL and PIT.

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:49 pm

Quoting texdravid (Reply 20):
I'm jealous. DFW started with a 772LR and it has stayed that way for more than a year....no switch to a 77W anytime soon.
What the....

I wouldn't be jealous of us yet...we're only a day in and the plane today was again a 777-200LR. 

But the CEO is the guy signing the checks and making these big decisions. I guess he knows that being a 'first mover' into Boston (besting Turkish by several months even though Turkish announced first) is going to be HUGE for them.

Qatar seems likely, ETIHAD...who the heck knows. And Saudi, no one even mentions them.

By the way, the captain today (just landed) was as 'American' as yesterday's was. Both sounded as though they were from Albany, New York or something. I guess with all that metal, Emirates needs crews from wherever they can find them.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:53 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 17):
Yes, however this is not the only issue. Even with the new terminal extension which will have 2 A380 capable gates, the runway and taxiway infrastructure will need some serious attention prior to scheduled A380 service, and real estate is already at a premium. As it stands right now, you can park an A380 at gate 8A (and you lose 8B) or you can park on Gate 5 and lose 6 and 4 - this is where SQ has parked the past 2 diversions. IF and a big IF an airline wanted to operat an A380, and agreed to operate between 1000-1500, MAYBE it could be worked in, however I don't think anyone wants that early of a departure utilizing an A380 and this would mean escorting the manatee every day, boarding with only 1 jetbridge, etc...can't work.

EK is also not the only one interested in the A380 - AF and LH (and I'm sure BA would follow) would all currently love to operate an A380 to BOS if the capability was there.

Space is going to continue to be an issue. Physically, the only place to expand is to where the hangars are now. That would have all sorts of challenges, not the least of which is that those hangars presumably have uses, even with the AA and DL shrink over the years. It does not appear that there is room for another "satellite' terminal, a la Delta.

I would venture to guess that Massport is going to have to look to moving some of the alliance departures (Virgin, AF, Alitalia) over to a different terminal. (A for skyteam). However, while A is relatively under-used now, there are gate restrictions out at the satellite too. You can see how oversized the Delta LHR and AMS planes are when parked at the A piers. To say nothing of the boarding area.

On a separate note for the Boston locals - the Callahan finally re-opened yesterday - bless all things holy.
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:56 pm

Quoting usxguy (Reply 18):
there is going to be a day when Emirates is the largest aircraft operator at most US airports - and I think that Emirates will be flying to a LOT more US destinations. STL, PIT, DEN, LAS, SAN, PDX, ATL, MCO are just a few that WILL open once the smaller aircraft come online. I wouldn't be surprised if EK flies to at least 20 US destinations in 5 years.

We'll see. Every DXB-US route is an ultra-long-haul route, with costs to match. I don't think they'll be able to compete with US and Euro carriers' fares out of the smaller destinations.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:17 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 23):
On a separate note for the Boston locals - the Callahan finally re-opened yesterday - bless all things holy.

And on another note, Hell froze over with a Boston construction project having been completed early.

Quoting tlecam (Reply 23):
Physically, the only place to expand is to where the hangars are now. That would have all sorts of challenges, not the least of which is that those hangars presumably have uses, even with the AA and DL shrink over the years.

There is some flexibility on that, in that the new economy parking garage could be taken down and replaced with new hangars -- it would just be expensive. UA gave up their BOS hangar a while back and DL has it now, but B6 now has a BOS hangar (is it the old DL hangar?) And there is a need to retain some aircraft parking positions away from the terminals.

Quoting tlecam (Reply 23):
It does not appear that there is room for another "satellite' terminal, a la Delta.

There's probably *space* to rebuild Terminal E with a satellite concourse in the current location (this would add parking positions on the other side of the concourse) and the landside in the current parking lot, but it would likely be very expensive and only add a few gates.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:18 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
The airport, particularly its terminals, wasn't designed to accommodate aircraft of that size, and parking the aircraft at Terminal E would block an adjacent gate. This is problematic at a terminal which is already full at peak hours. Taxiway spacing is also a significant issue. There's really very little room to fix these problems, either -- the airport is on a limited piece of real estate.

True but "very limited" is not the same as non-existent. It will happen. in another thread someone posted that Massport has already started working on it but I haven't been able to find any evidence online. Nevertheless, it's a matter of when, not if. BOS will be able to handle the 748/A380/777X within a short few years, possibly sooner.

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 17):
IF and a big IF an airline wanted to operat an A380, and agreed to operate between 1000-1500, MAYBE it could be worked in, however I don't think anyone wants that early of a departure utilizing an A380 and this would mean escorting the manatee every day, boarding with only 1 jetbridge, etc...can't work.

There's no IF or MAYBE. That is exactly the time that EK will operate once the DXB runway work is complete. Look at JFK and IAD as an example.

Quoting tlecam (Reply 23):
Space is going to continue to be an issue. Physically, the only place to expand is to where the hangars are now.

That is exactly where the new terminal E expansion is going to be.

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Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:17 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 26):
in another thread someone posted that Massport has already started working on it but I haven't been able to find any evidence online.
Could you post a link to that thread?

It's truly amazing the amount of international expansion out of Logan during recent years. Just an idea, but would it be possible to move cargo ops to BED or another area airport in order to turn the South Cargo ramp into a new terminal?
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:28 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 22):
But the CEO is the guy signing the checks and making these big decisions

Small correction - Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum is the ceo and chairman of Emirates Group ... Tim Clark is the President of The Emirates Group.

The Sheik holds the checkbook and ultimately gives approval to the shots that are called, and Clark is tasked with "making it happen."
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:38 pm

Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 27):
It's truly amazing the amount of international expansion out of Logan during recent years. Just an idea, but would it be possible to move cargo ops to BED or another area airport in order to turn the South Cargo ramp into a new terminal?

That would be great, but i can already hear the NIMBYs screaming
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Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 27):
Could you post a link to that thread?
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Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 27):
It's truly amazing the amount of international expansion out of Logan during recent years. Just an idea, but would it be possible to move cargo ops to BED or another area airport in order to turn the South Cargo ramp into a new terminal?

Nope. If you're refering to FedEx and UPS, those guys fly to/from BOS because of its proximity to their main market which is the City of Boston. There's also a lot of cargo being shipped via regular airlines. Separating the two is just not very viable.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:24 pm

Quoting usxguy (Reply 18):

there is going to be a day when Emirates is the largest aircraft operator at most US airports - and I think that Emirates will be flying to a LOT more US destinations. STL, PIT, DEN, LAS, SAN, PDX, ATL, MCO are just a few that WILL open once the smaller aircraft come online. I wouldn't be surprised if EK flies to at least 20 US destinations in 5 years.

STL, PIT, and PDX are beyond long shots. Add DEN, MIA and LAS. I can see 10 destinations in 5 years but I can't see 20. EK has their aircraft order book pretty well set for the next five years and although they are due to receive a lot of aircraft they are also replacing a significant number of aircraft and every destination in the US that they add requires more than two aircraft per daily route because of the route length. So even if they could find 20 cities to add (I don't think they can), they don't have enough aircraft to do it.

When will BOS be A380 compliant?

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:25 am

People on this forum said EK at ORD was a pipe dream, now we are seeing STL,PIT, PDX. Why does this forum hate ORD so much?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:25 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):
When will BOS be A380 compliant?

That's all relative   BOS will never be fully a Group VI compliant airport because of cost and space constraints. However I expect it to make enough improvements to get an exception from the FAA to have regular A380 operations. When that will happen is not yet in the public domain. Note that BOS is already approved for regular 748 operations:
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:54 am

I plugged in some dates and it appears to be $100+ cheaper to buy a ticket to DXB from BOS through B6 then it is through EK itself. Anyone know the reasoning there or is it a hiccup? I thought maybe it had to do with a Reward Miles thing but it is strange.

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 32):
Why does this forum hate ORD so much?

EK has already announced ORD so I was referring to new EK destinations

http://worldairlinenews.com/2014/02/...hicago-ohare-starting-on-august-5/

Quoting airbazar (Reply 33):
However I expect it to make enough improvements to get an exception from the FAA to have regular A380 operations. When that will happen is not yet in the public domain.

Sir Tim Clark sounded pretty optimistic about A380 service this year though. Do we think they can get that exception that quickly? I don't think the terminal E improvements will be done for another 1.5 years yet.

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Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 32):

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Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 17):
IF and a big IF an airline wanted to operat an A380, and agreed to operate between 1000-1500, MAYBE it could be worked in, however I don't think anyone wants that early of a departure utilizing an A380 and this would mean escorting the manatee every day, boarding with only 1 jetbridge, etc...can't work.

What about remote stands? Yes it's hardly ideal, but in some parts of the world its common for widebody flights.
The old hong kong airport it was normal, it happens all the time in the ME hubs including DXB, and even in FRA it's not out of the question. So this would be a relatively cheap way to accommodate the A380 on a regular basis. As for the taxi ways, without seeing them its hard to comment but for my own home airport when it was upgraded for regular A380 opeartions (EK sends it in a few times a day now here in BNE/DXB BNE/AKLBNE ) it was mostly just sealing the edges of taxi ways to accommodate for jetblast further out from engines one and 4. This didn't need to be load bearing the existing runway can handle the 747 no problem, it was just the greater wingspan and further distance from engines 1 and 4 meant jet blast further out and we didn't want the grass being ripped up all the time. BOS doesn't have one spot they could use as a remote stand and bus the PAX?
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:04 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
They sort of serve different markets. EK is all about India. TK only serves 2 destinations in India. DXB is too far East even to be a Middle East hub. IST serves not only the ME but Europe too. Until TK can get more destinations and frequencies to India the 2 airlines won't overlap too much. For example, I think Russia and Israel are going to be 2 huge markets for TK from Boston.

   Does TK do many European transfers to the US? I know it's out of the way for some routes, but I'm sure there are some who do fly via IST.

Does it appear EK's new BOS service will also have a high premium demand?
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:37 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):
I can see 10 destinations in 5 years but I can't see 20.

Well they will already be serving 9 when ORD comes online. I can easily see them have 20 US destinations in 5 years. Obviously they will go for the few first tier cities remaining such as MIA, ATL, DTW, etc but then I can see them consider a few healthy second tier cities such as MSP, RDU, etc.
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:57 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 38):
I can easily see them have 20 US destinations in 5 years.

Alright lets name 11 more cities. I will give you ATL, MCO, MIA, DTW, LAS, and DEN (even though I think a couple of these are a stretch). I have a hard time with five more on top of that in five years. If you call EWR a different city I can get within 4 of 20 destinations but even at that point its a stretch. I have a hard time with SAN, RDU, PIT, STL, PDX and others that have been mentioned.

I think the strategy will be to launch more frequencies to existing cities. These second tier cities can get to the ~15 EK destinations in ~1 hour long flight. SAN (LAX), RDU (IAD), PIT (ORD/JFK), STL(ORD), PDX(SEA)

By no means is 20 destinations 'easy' in my opinion.

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:58 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 32):
People on this forum said EK at ORD was a pipe dream, now we are seeing STL,PIT, PDX. Why does this forum hate ORD so much?

If PIT is ever added, I think it will be among the last. How many people per day travel to DXB or anywhere else in the middle east? Is this traffic even climbing? I guess it probably is given the improving economy and whatnot, but is it enough to warrant any int'l service to this part of the world?

I'm surprised PHL wasn't mentioned, although they're gaining 77W service on QR to Doha, Qatar.
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:17 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 39):
Alright lets name 11 more cities. I will give you ATL, MCO, MIA, DTW, LAS, and DEN (even though I think a couple of these are a stretch). I have a hard time with five more on top of that in five years. If you call EWR a different city I can get within 4 of 20 destinations but even at that point its a stretch. I have a hard time with SAN, RDU, PIT, STL, PDX and others that have been mentioned.

I think a lot of people would also have had a hard time with BA doing LHR-AUS the day before they announced it. If there is one thing I have learned about Emirates over the past decade is to not second guess or doubt their growth plans.
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:20 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 18):
there is going to be a day when Emirates is the largest aircraft operator at most US airports

I can't see that ever happening. Most traffic at U.S. airports is domestic which EK can't participate in. And all their international flights have to serve DXB (or other UAE airports). Although they have 5th freedom rights as part of the U.S.-UAE open skies agreement, they don't have open skies with all European countries, so where they can exercise 5th freedom rights is limited.

And since any flights that do use 5th freedom rights have to continue to/from DXB, EK will never be able to compete with all the carriers operating O&D services in the much larger U.S.-Europe market.

The U.S.-UAE (and Gulf region in general) O&D market is quite small so they're largely dependent on 6th freedom connecting traffic to/from India/South Asia and a few points in Southeast Asia where it's not that much further (at least from the East Coast) via DXB than via the Pacific. And while they carry a reasonable number of passengers via DXB to/from Africa, that's usually significantly further than other routings, and U.S.-Africa is also a tiny market compared to Europe and other markets where EK will never be more than a very minor player.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:30 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 39):
I will give you ATL, MCO, MIA, DTW, LAS, and DEN (even though I think a couple of these are a stretch). I have a hard time with five more on top of that in five years. If you call EWR a different city I can get within 4 of 20 destinations but even at that point its a stretch

EWR is surely a given. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't their next addition.

I'll add SJC. It could give them a real competitive edge to launch SJC-DXB as opposed to a second SFO-DXB. Maybe 1xA380 to SFO and 1x77L/W to SJC eventually ... by which I'm talking 5 years

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
If there is one thing I have learned about Emirates over the past decade is to not second guess or doubt their growth plans.

  

I know it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't rule out AUS a decade from now.

I personally agree that 20 destinations is quite possible, but I'd set the timeframe as 5-10 years rather than 0-5.
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:05 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
I think a lot of people would also have had a hard time with BA doing LHR-AUS the day before they announced it.

Sure but that route can be done with two aircraft and they are 788s. EK will have to dedicate three aircraft and their smallest will be A359s (and I don't think those will cross the Atlantic all that often). My point has been that I don't think they can do it in five years. Right now they are heading to JFK twice a day, LAX once per day, ORD has not even started yet. Meanwhile they are operating 6 flights to LHR.

I don't see 20 destinations in five years primarily because I think EK can support more frequencies to existing cities that are much more valuable. Nevermind these additional 11 destinations could mean ~30 aircraft and they do have to build up the other side of the hub (Asia) and Europe as well and they are only planning on adding approximately 90 aircraft (net) overall by 2019.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
If there is one thing I have learned about Emirates over the past decade is to not second guess or doubt their growth plans.

No doubt. And if they announce 20 US destinations is the plan by 2019 then I would assume its closer to 25.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 43):
I personally agree that 20 destinations is quite possible, but I'd set the timeframe as 5-10 years rather than 0-5.

I can buy 20 within 10 years. I can see SJC as well. I am surprised that airport hasn't grown more though. It just received its first Asian destination and I would think there are a couple more of those that need to happen as well.

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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:36 am

How big is the Boston-South Asia market vis-a-vis Miami? I am surprised this flight is doing so well. Who would have known there was such a large Asian population in Boston.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:17 am

Weird they can't even serve warm food onboard the A380 and they want bigger plains ?
They should upgrade the service instead of upgrading plains
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:33 am

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 2):
Massport is also courting a link to MXP, so I'm sure EK would look at this as an option similar to the JFK run.

That would be just awesome from a MXP perspective, a mini EK hub in Milan sounds like gold after AZ demise...
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:38 am

Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 47):
That would be just awesome from a MXP perspective, a mini EK hub in Milan sounds like gold after AZ demise...

EK needs 5th freedom flight permissions for each flight operated out of MXP bound to countries other than the UAE. Hard way to build a hub. Also the number of daily flights to DXB would be quite limited for market reasons... I doubt the route (DXB-MXP) could sustain more than 3 or 4 daily flights.
 
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RE: Emirates CEO: Boston Needs Bigger Plane

Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:52 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 48):
EK needs 5th freedom flight permissions for each flight operated out of MXP bound to countries other than the UAE. Hard way to build a hub. Also the number of daily flights to DXB would be quite limited for market reasons... I doubt the route (DXB-MXP) could sustain more than 3 or 4 daily flights.

Not to mention it looks like EY is going to take a part ownership position of Alitalia which will give them a lot of flexibility in Italy.

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