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Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:22 am

After a little over a year of launching San Jose, CA VX has decided to end SJC-LAX service effective May 14 2014 which will be the last flight. Press release should be out shortly.

Virgin America to pull out of San Jose, ending 'Nerd Bird' flight

[Edited 2014-03-14 11:35:15 by SA7700]
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:35 am

Unfortunately no surprise. Route has been sluggish since the start. Airport even through in another $100,000 marketing money in November.

Crowded market, and planes can be used for something more productive.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:14 am

Their landing fees were waved for one year so the timing is right. I had heard their week day flights averaged 30-35%.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:15 am

Speaking of VX cancelling service, can someone clarify the date that they officially pulled out of ANC? I assume it was around September of last year but does anyone know when the VX season (and the route) actually ended? Thanx in advance.

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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:25 am

Sad to hear - while it was an over saturated route, QX/AS also pulling out in June. Just DL, AA, UA and WN to duke it out. I was really pulling for them - flew on the inaugural SJC-LAX last May.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:43 am

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 4):
QX/AS also pulling out in June.

Interesting, I hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere here on A.net. Thanks for sharing that fact.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 4):
Just DL, AA, UA and WN to duke it out.

"Just"?   I guess AS blinked first, but to have a second withdrawal shortly thereafter is kind of unique...

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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:47 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):

Speaking of VX cancelling service, can someone clarify the date that they officially pulled out of ANC? I assume it was around September of last year but does anyone know when the VX season (and the route) actually ended? Thanx in advance.

bb

ANC was seasonal service, so September sounds about right. It looks like that route isn't returning this year.

How many flights did they have to SJC? I'm assuming this capacity will go towards their anticipated DAL focus city..if they get the gates.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:59 am

They 4 during the week and 3 weekends. Southwest is now back to the only mainline.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:07 am

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 4):
QX/AS also pulling out in June.

Interesting, Even with the Q400 and the connection options in LAX, AS is pulling the plug as well.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 6):
ANC was seasonal service, so September sounds about right. It looks like that route isn't returning this year.

Didnt seem like VX had any cruise contracts at all and they dont fly freight i.e. fresh seafood like B6 and AS do into ANC so this route was bound to fail. If I recall B6 loves ANC because of all the $$$ to be made with freight which is why they even started ANC-SEA. I think VX will return to ANC some day. It is a great product to fly to gear up for a pleasant cruise around Alaska.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
Their landing fees were waved for one year so the timing is right.

Sounds alot like YYZ

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 6):
I'm assuming this capacity will go towards their anticipated DAL focus city

Makes sense but for the meantime expect the aircraft to be used on routes that are making money. Extra capacity from SFO/LAX to BOS/JFK seems to fit the bill until "pending" DAL is launched
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:37 am

Quoting SocalApproach (Thread starter):
After a little over a year of launching San Jose, CA VX has decided to end SJC-LAX service effective May 14 2014 which will be the last flight. Press release should be out shortly.

They are going to have to drop a lot more routes to use all these slots.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:45 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
They are going to have to drop a lot more routes to use all these slots.

Don't forget that they start receiving new aircraft again in 2015, schedules are normally reduced during the winter months..which is around the time they're supposed to take possession of the slots, maybe they're not at full utilization with their fleet (I don't know this for a fact), all of the routes out of DAL aren't supposed to begin right at first...so I wouldn't necessarily say they'll have to drop a lot more routes.

Who knows, maybe behind the scenes they're working to move up deliveries or lease another aircraft or two. When they deferred their aircraft deliveries, they didn't know these slots would be coming available. They must have had contingency plans in place incase opportunities like this came up.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:39 am

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
all of the routes out of DAL aren't supposed to begin right at first...so I wouldn't necessarily say they'll have to drop a lot more routes.

   Cush has advised that DAL wont be at full operation until 5-6 months after launching which is right on que when they will be taking on more brand new A320 aircraft.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:46 pm

I thought about starting one of those airport specific threads about SJC, but what little news there is seems to be bad. Either service being cut back or lost. Seems like SJC will never find its way out of being the ass end of Bay area aviation.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Unfortunately no surprise. Route has been sluggish since the start. Airport even through in another $100,000 marketing money in November.

Crowded market, and planes can be used for something more productive.

No surprise at all. For a flight that runs under an hour from takeoff to touchdown, passenger traffic is going to be driven by price, schedule, and loyalty programs. First class seating, TV's, and mood-lighting don't matter when your competition goes up to 10x daily for the same price.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:21 pm

oh well such is life ... i guess the planes for DAL/DCA/LGA expansion *has* to come from somewhere

i wonder if PSP will be the next victim
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:00 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 14):
i wonder if PSP will be the next victim
PSP actually does well during its season and the JFK-PSP flight is solid as well. PSP is here to stay. PDX is the wildcard.

Press Release is now live

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/n...erica-to-pull-out-of-san-jose.html

[Edited 2014-03-14 09:01:48]
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:07 pm

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 12):

I thought about starting one of those airport specific threads about SJC, but what little news there is seems to be bad. Either service being cut back or lost. Seems like SJC will never find its way out of being the ass end of Bay area aviation.

SJC numbers have been going back up for over a year. Still anemic IMHO. Seems ironic that this particular airport sits smack dab in the middle of the highest earning metro in the country yet suffers. ANA flight sounds like it's doing well and there's been talk of another Asian carrier in the works. SJC lives in the shadow of SFO, but there's still no reason it can't coexist and thrive. It is absolutely booming here-construction everywhere...
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:17 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 15):
PSP actually does well during its season and the JFK-PSP flight is solid as well. PSP is here to stay. PDX is the wildcard.

I think it's interesting that a once weekly flight can be so successful, JFK-PSP. I wonder if they'll ever add frequency to this route.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:27 pm

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
Don't forget that they start receiving new aircraft again in 2015,

Where are they going to go? VX has pulled down their current flying quite a bit. There's plenty of slack now, never mind the SJC shells and who knows what else, plus any deliveries.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:43 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Where are they going to go? VX has pulled down their current flying quite a bit. There's plenty of slack now, never mind the SJC shells and who knows what else, plus any deliveries.

How much slack is there right now? They've recently added frequency on some of their transcons, and they're bringing back SFO-MCO.

And to answer your question regarding where their new aircraft will go...If they get the 2 DAL gates, they'll begin that focus city with their 4 DCA slots, 4 of their LGA slots, 2 flights to ORD and 4 flights each to LAX and SFO..replacing I believe the 3 daily flights to LAX and SFO to DFW. That's a lot of additional flying. Also there's 2 unaccounted for LGA slots, possibly going to ORD. They could also beef up some of their transcons, maybe add some point to point routes.

I wonder what they'll do if they don't get the DAL gates. Maybe open a DFW focus city..even though they said they wouldn't.

The next couple years is going to be interesting for Virgin America. I love that airline and hope they do well.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:14 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 8):
Interesting, Even with the Q400 and the connection options in LAX, AS is pulling the plug as well.

Actually, those ARE the 2 reasons as to why AS/QX is pulling the plug. The operational reliability of the Q400 has been a challenge. And while the route offers great connection opportunities, the price of reaccomodating those connections when a flight cancels or goes on a long tech delay is costing AS much more than it makes. Sorry, but good riddance!

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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:05 pm

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 16):
ANA flight sounds like it's doing well and there's been talk of another Asian carrier in the works

What other Asian/International carriers would be possible at SJC?
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting kilauea717 (Reply 21):
What other Asian/International carriers would be possible at SJC?

I would imagine BR to TPE or OZ to ICN would do fine given the *A base in the catchment area. Considering there are already multiple dailies on multiple carriers out of SFO...
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:45 pm

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 22):

I would change BR to CI. BR is going double daily into SFO and, IMO, a 77W would be too big. As for a Korean airline , I would say KE has a better shot. But, this is only hearsay and nothing is firm.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:54 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 15):
PSP actually does well during its season and the JFK-PSP flight is solid as well. PSP is here to stay. PDX is the wildcard.

While tomorrow's JFK-PSP is full, one week from tomorrow it's empty...seats are going for only $177 o/w. Ouch.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:56 pm

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 16):
Seems ironic that this particular airport sits smack dab in the middle of the highest earning metro in the country yet suffers. ANA flight sounds like it's doing well and there's been talk of another Asian carrier in the works. SJC lives in the shadow of SFO, but there's still no reason it can't coexist and thrive. It is absolutely booming here-construction everywhere...

With no airline hub at SJC, it will continue to sit in the shadow of the marquee destination of the metro area. Even though Bay Area traffic can be horrible, it is worth driving to SFO in order to avoid a connection at one East Asian hub airport or another and get a non-stop. And for the Asian carriers, if they plan to offer a second flight to the region, it's probably more valuable and cost-effective to have a second frequency to SFO versus opening a new station at SJC.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:02 pm

Hello,

Too bad the flight is cancelled. It seemed like a saturated market for that route. VX thought they could take on WN, DL & UA. Construction in an area does not necessarily mean an area is booming. Those constructed buildings could be built and sit empty. OAK & SJC have suffered since the economic recession of 2008. It looks like economic recovery has not happened.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:22 pm

SJC seemed like VX's type of market. I wonder if transcons to BOS/IAD and JFK (if they could get a slot or two) would have panned out better. LAX was a bloodbath waiting to happen.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:02 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 27):
SJC seemed like VX's type of market. I wonder if transcons to BOS/IAD and JFK (if they could get a slot or two) would have panned out better. LAX was a bloodbath waiting to happen.

I wondered that too. SJC-LAX seemed like a weird market for VX to get into when starting SJC. Seems like SJC to something east, particularly an undeserved, market would pan out much better.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:05 pm

It's too bad SJC doesn't work out for VX, but it's not like we weren't warned by official statements in news articles. Then there was the precedent of the similarly short-lived SNA experiment, not to mention the need to come up with capacity for all the new LGA and DCA service.

Anyone know how VX's LAX-LAS is doing?
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:33 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 20):
The operational reliability of the Q400 has been a challenge. And while the route offers great connection opportunities, the price of reaccomodating those connections when a flight cancels or goes on a long tech delay is costing AS much more than it makes. Sorry, but good riddance!

Not to hijack the thread but is the Q performing that badly for Horizon? I didn't realize it. Is it a specific set of recurring issues? How long has the plane been in service? It feels as if they should have achieved an acceptable level of reliability by now! Otherwise, why ditch the CR7?

As for VX, this is sad to hear but good for them for taking loss-making flying out of the network. I, too, am interested to see what happens in PDX.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:17 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 27):
SJC seemed like VX's type of market.

So did SNA. However, it is important to see past the glamorous façade of these places and realize that between astronomical living costs and the incessant social pressure to keep up the Joneses, even high income individuals typically have little if any discretionary income to spend on air travel. Tech savvy workforces can conduct meetings and even close deals over the phone and internet rather than flying employees to headquarters or client sites. Those that do have the time and money to travel may tout the convenience of the local airport all day long, but then end up driving the extra hour or two to the nearby major airport because it offers better schedules, fares, and far more nonstop options. Simply put, why fly SJC-LAX-ORD when you can drive to SFO and fly nonstop to ORD from there?

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 27):
I wonder if transcons to BOS/IAD and JFK (if they could get a slot or two) would have panned out better.

Even B6 can only manage redeye JFK-SJC service and seasonal BOS-SJC service. That's it for transcons out of SJC. Washington, D.C. hasn't been served nonstop from SJC in years. I highly doubt VX would have had any success in this realm.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 27):
LAX was a bloodbath waiting to happen.

Yes, but VX knew they were getting themselves into a dog fight against AA (apathetic towards SJC), AS (inferior connectivity/FF base at LAX), UA (apathetic towards LAX), and WN (distracted by FL merger). DL did not make things any easier by also entering the fray, but VX had to see that one coming given their recent expansion moves at LAX.

Vastly superior product and a schedule that was great for O&D, as well as great for connectivity to virtually all of the nation's top markets via LAX. Can't blame them for trying!
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:44 pm

i thought VX service would be too premium for SJC LAX route
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm

Didn't most on this site think Delta would be the first to fold?
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:06 am

It's too bad this market couldn't work out for VX. Too much capacity in the SJC-LAX-SJC market.I wouldn't be surprised to see UA drop their CRJ fiights eventually.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:14 am

Quoting legacyins (Reply 23):
I would change BR to CI.

BR has A332s that they could possibly deploy on this route, CI doesn't.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:37 am

I'm surprised UA hasn't either. I only see one flight today on their schedule.
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Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:59 am

I think Southwest, Delta and American will be the winners of this battle. In that order.

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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:44 am

SJC's problem is that really rich and powerful part of the valley (Palo Alto, mountain View) is close enough to sfo that any sjc advantage is moot. To whit, sfo is actually a very convenient airport for its size - you can go from curb to gate in just a few minutes - especially with tsa pre check. And, with a long time base of loyal UA FFPs, it will be hard to compete when all things are equal.

Of course, for Fremont and the far South Bay, sjc is much more convenient. And if your flight needs to be on time, it's way more reliable than sfo. But price is its leverage, and if it can't keep prices down, there isn't a ton of value it's bringing.

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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:56 am

Quoting gabrielz (Reply 38):
SJC's problem is that really rich and powerful part of the valley (Palo Alto, mountain View) is close enough to sfo that any sjc advantage is moot.

The really funny thing there is, SJC's been doing a radio ad blitz lately trying to get people on the Peninsula to choose SJC over SFO for flights to southern California...even for cities (Woodside, Redwood City, for example) where SFO's actually closer.

"Why drive north to fly south?" is the tagline they've been using.

Like you said, for most of those people, the difference in distance is negligible...the only thing SJC really has going for it is that it doesn't have the fog/delay problems that SFO has...

Sad to see VX pull out, but I'd be lying if I said I was surprised...
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:13 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 27):

SJC seemed like VX's type of market. I wonder if transcons to BOS/IAD and JFK (if they could get a slot or two) would have panned out better. LAX was a bloodbath waiting to happen.

I am not surprised that VX did not enter a transcon market, but instead to try and grow a flyer base with a low yield, short hop, funnelling anyone wanting to go East on VX via LAX.

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 15):
PDX is the wildcard.

How so? I am curious what resources you used to come up with that statement? Is this a rumor or a guess?

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 19):
If they get the 2 DAL gates, they'll begin that focus city with their 4 DCA slots, 4 of their LGA slots, 2 flights to ORD and 4 flights each to LAX and SFO..replacing I believe the 3 daily flights to LAX and SFO to DFW. That's a lot of additional flying. Also there's 2 unaccounted for LGA slots, possibly going to ORD. They could also beef up some of their tran-scons, maybe add some point to point routes.

I was under the impression the aircraft for DAL were coming from new deliveries scheduled later this year. Do you really think that VX will jump into the ORD-LGA market with one r/t a day?

Quoting kilauea717 (Reply 21):
What other Asian/International carriers would be possible at SJC?

Any airline with a 787 that has a need to build a niche market up in SJC. SJC is always going to be in the shadow of a much larger neighbor, just like SAN & LAX, PBI/FLL & MIA, PDX & SEA, BDL & NYC or BOS, the list goes on.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 31):
DL did not make things any easier by also entering the fray,

At this point I think DL is willing to jump into overcrowded markets, making every carrier try and match artificially low fares, see who bleeds cash the most expecting the smaller guys jump to jump ship first.

Quoting shengzhurou (Reply 32):

i thought VX service would be too premium for SJC LAX route

Maybe, but there are those who F is a must, even for 45 minutes, I've had them as clients for 20+ years. But I would expect some would also be connecting in LAX to the VX system.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:16 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 40):

That's called predatory pricing, and is illegal. If it was allowed, I'm sure UA would be at $50 R/T fares for all VX routes out of SFO...
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:25 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 40):
I was under the impression the aircraft for DAL were coming from new deliveries scheduled later this year. Do you really think that VX will jump into the ORD-LGA market with one r/t a day?

VX isn't supposed to take delivery of any new aircraft until next year..second half of 2015 I believe, unless that's changed.

Also, they got a total of 12 slots at LGA, for 6 round trips. 8 of those slots (4 round trips) will be used to DAL so 4 slots (2 round trips) are still unaccounted for. I was just guessing they'd use them to ORD, but it hasn't been announced yet, they could use them to Florida or BOS. I wonder if VX is waiting to see if they get the DAL gates before they decide where to use them, or at least announce where they use them.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:31 pm

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 41):
That's called predatory pricing, and is illegal. If it was allowed, I'm sure UA would be at $50 R/T fares for all VX routes out of SFO..

I think there are enough examples of carriers jumping into markets, dropping fares and nothing has come against them for predatory pricing, a fare war is a fare war, nothing more. It seems DL is not afraid of bleeding a little to thin the heard on certain routes.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 42):
I wonder if VX is waiting to see if they get the DAL gates before they decide where to use them, or at least announce where they use them.

And what will VX do with DCA and LGA slots if they do not get DAL gates? I'd expect they have a plan B.
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Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 41):
That's called predatory pricing, and is illegal. If it was allowed, I'm sure UA would be at $50 R/T fares for all VX routes out of SFO...

Sure, its illegal but it is extremely hard to prove.

The Department of Justice took on American - and lost - and Northwest was notorious for predatory pricing, and predatory action (Reno Air, e.g.), as in this long discussion:

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf26/277.pdf

" Predatory Practices by Northwest Airlines"

A lot of those Northwest folk moved to Delta.

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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 37):

I think Southwest, Delta and American will be the winners of this battle. In that order.

Why in "that order," and why not United?

Southwest, American and United carry the most local traffic on the route, in that order.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:54 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 45):
Southwest, American and United carry the most local traffic on the route, in that order.

Curious if you have stats on connecting traffic via LAX? I'm just wondering if DL comes out ahead of UA in terms of connecting traffic?
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:02 am

Quoting SocalApproach (Thread starter):

Our flights to SJC do relatively well. WN

BTW, not to hijack the thread but any truth to rumors of VX breaking into BWI and MIA? They like us do FLL, But the rumor mill is always buzzing.

VX also does DCA but, DCA has it's limitations.
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:29 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 40):
VX did not enter a transcon market, but instead to try and grow a flyer base with a low yield, short hop, funnelling anyone wanting to go East on VX via LAX.

You realize yields SJC-LAX are higher than anything it would generate going East right?
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RE: Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC

Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:25 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 40):
ow so? I am curious what resources you used to come up with that statement? Is this a rumor or a guess?

It is more of a guess just from looking at the loads going up to PDX. It cannot even support service to LAX anymore. Sometimes it is only 2 flights/day on the A319. I would be lying though if I said the folks at PHL were not more concerned about their own station. I will go as far to say PHL would have never happened (at least not nearly as soon as it did) if EWR was captured first on the VX dartboard. But I still say PDX is the wildcard because VX still has the best product on SFO-PHL even though the schedule blows where as PDX-SFO product doesn't nearly matter as much as frequency and connectivity options.

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