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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:22 am

Due to length part 21 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 22.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:31 am

Quoting tomlee (Reply 399):
The transponder is the critical thing to take out.

Why turn it off then? If you are going to change the transponder first, why not squawk 7600? That would add to the confusion a bit, and maybe gain you a little more time as ATC assumes you are having issues.

If you squawk 7600 first to indicate comm trouble, then when you do turn off the transponder, ATC is likely to be sure you are just having equipment problems, and will wait even longer for you to come back on line.

The only problem is that your fellow pilot will know you have changed the transponder code.

[Edited 2014-03-13 22:31:40]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:32 am

Aren't there multiple pilots on the 777 though? So say one of the pilots that is not resting kills the other and follows through with the theory about ditching it into the Indian Ocean. Wouldn't the other pilots onboard enter the cockpit to assist in the "problem"? And yes the hijacking pilot could lock the door but if the other pilots are denied access, they would know something wasn't right.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:33 am

Quoting stackhouse007 (Reply 2):
Aren't there multiple pilots on the 777 though? So say one of the pilots that is not resting kills the other and follows through with the theory about ditching it into the Indian Ocean. Wouldn't the other pilots onboard enter the cockpit to assist in the "problem"? And yes the hijacking pilot could lock the door but if the other pilots are denied access, they would know something wasn't right.

For a 5.5 hour flight? I doubt it, can someone confirm?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:33 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 1):

That is the same question I have if they were doing things deliberately the transponder being turned off or altered to cause confusion would be the first thing to do. Going down and messing around in the electronics bay to shut off the engine maintenance reports doesn't make any sense. At best it would be done in the right order (mess around or turn off transponder) then go mess around with the electronics bay.

The order in which thing are claimed to have been disabled doesn't make sense.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:34 am

Quoting stackhouse007 (Reply 2):
Aren't there multiple pilots on the 777 though?

On this route I am pretty sure there's only a Captain and a FO. You can check the crew records, only two were listed as "Technical Crew".

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:34 am

Tweets from Jon Ostrower in the last 4 hours:

1) Last ping from MH370 came "at least 5h" after vanishing, last one cruising alt over water

2) We dont know where MH370 last pinged Inmarsat's satellite constellation, but there certainly are people who do

3) Each ping that came from the 777's SATCOM included GPS, altitude & speed data

Finally he retweeted MH's own tweet - we're fully aware of the on going speculations, however we have no new leads on the situation

Also heard on the news just now the US Navy are sending a vessel to a certain spot in the Indian Ocean - a coincidence with Jon's tweet 2 above?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:34 am

Quoting stackhouse007 (Reply 2):

Two pilots common in 5-6 hr flights.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:35 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 1):
Why turn it off then? If you are going to change the transponder first, why not squawk 7600? That would add to the confusion a bit, and maybe gain you a little more time as ATC assumes you are having issues.

If you squawk 7600 first to indicate comm trouble, then when you do turn off the transponder, ATC is likely to be sure you are just having equipment problems, and will wait even longer for you to come back on line.

I would think that this would bring a lot of unwanted attention, if indeed your goal was to disappear. ATC would ask other aircraft to try and contact you, might get other radar sources to track you, would alert authorities... Much better to vanish, just like they did - it worked very well for them, don't you think? The only thing that has spoiled their disappearance is the satellite pings.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:35 am

chrisrad, that's what I would think too but I'm not sure if the 777 always has multiple flight crews or if it's truly based on the duration of the flight.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:36 am

Quoting tomlee (Reply 395):

Good points. Why the gap in time between ACARS and transponder shutdowns if becoming invisible is the idea, especially when the transponder dial is right there?

Also, did the plane go off radar just after reaching cruising altitude? Is there any significance to that in light of what we are currently learning?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting stackhouse007 (Reply 2):

As this particular flight was less then 8 hours, no extra set of flightcrew was needed.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:38 am

Now do we know if this specific crew would normally conduct this exact flight? Curious if these pilots knew the exact time and path they could take to disappear from radar..
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:40 am

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 6):

Have a gut feeling that investigators are closing in on this.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:47 am

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 10):
Good points. Why the gap in time between ACARS and transponder shutdowns if becoming invisible is the idea, especially when the transponder dial is right there?

because he wasn't going to kill the transponder until after hand off..this is what is most crucial...tampering with ACARS at the reported time could have simply been opportunistic (convenient) at that moment considering he had to contend with the "problem" of the FO. Also, this guy knew that he would most likely be successful in disappearing regardless. Lots and lots of practice!!!
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:48 am

Quoting stackhouse007 (Reply 2):
Aren't there multiple pilots on the 777 though?

Depends on the airline but MH for this stage length uses only two. Only the longest ULH flights these days carry four pilots on an 2 pilot airliner. The usual for a long range flight is three. Even LH FRA-EZE nowadays is three pilots. Before 2012 it was four.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:49 am

Quoting stackhouse007 (Reply 12):
Now do we know if this specific crew would normally conduct this exact flight? Curious if these pilots knew the exact time and path they could take to disappear from radar..

ah, yeah...pilot only had a flight simulator in his home and had been flying 777 for over 15 years, that route extensively!!!!!!!
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:50 am

As a flight sim enthusiast as well, I think that comment is absolutely ridiculous.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:51 am

Quoting sipadan (Reply 16):

That doesn't explain why he would do it though he could just be really into planes.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:51 am

oops... just missed the other thread getting locked...

repost:

Just as an aside.. for anyone wondering why the passengers didn't make any calls; in the scenario where the plane was hijacked i'm sure the system would have been turned off.

If the plane was in mechanical trouble, I can just put it out there that I have flown on the MH 772's many times, and have made calls off of them (mainly for the fun of it) and I can tell you that the system is far from user friendly - if the plane was in serious trouble and you were a bit panicked with possibly not a lot of time on your hands to make the call I wouldn't be surprised if no one got a chance.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:53 am

Quoting sipadan (Reply 14):
because he wasn't going to kill the transponder until after hand off..this is what is most crucial...tampering with ACARS at the reported time could have simply been opportunistic (convenient) at that moment considering he had to contend with the "problem" of the FO. Also, this guy knew that he would most likely be successful in disappearing regardless. Lots and lots of practice!!!

No tampering with the ACARS would be difficult, non-trivial, and clearly non-opportunistic as mentioned previously. If someone tried to mess around in the EE bay that would make it really easy to get caught.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:55 am

Quoting Enobar (Reply 19):

The same problem (electrical) that would have knocked out ACARS would likely kill the phones as well. Both systems are not critical and if there was a problem they would be knocked out far easier than more important things.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:56 am

Theory: Pilot attempt to conceal evidence of a suicide. Possible reason = life insurance for family.

Two questions about the 772's CVR/FDR.
1. How long do the two black boxes record for before overriding previously recorded information?
2. Can the two black boxes be simply turned off by pulling a circuit breaker?

Looks much more likely like a pilot suicide than a hijacking with an attempt to hide evidence. Pilot incapacitates his colleague, attempt to make the plane disappear, and then flies the plane long enough for all recordings from earlier to be deleted so that there will be no evidence of a suicide.

In 1997, NTSB determined that Silk Air 185 pilot manually turned off the CVR when he got up to go to the restroom, so perhaps the MH370 pilot wanted to avoid doing that in case the two boxes are recovered. Instead, he simply flew the plane long enough for the recording to be deleted and then allowed the plane to run out of fuel over the Indian Ocean.

I wouldn't be surpassed if it will be determined that he made circles in order to avoid going over land and, at the same time, to avoid making any maneuvers that would make it seem like a purposeful act, such as a nose dive.

Sounds like a pilot wanted to hide evidence of a suicide and reminds me of Auburn Calloway who attempted to hijack FedEx 705 flight in 1994 with the use of a speargun instead of a normal gun. Calloway believed that if he inflicted blunt trauma to the head of the crew, instead of shooting the crew, and then crashed the plane, the NTSB / FBI would never be able to diagnose the cause of the blunt trauma to the head and diagnose the crash as an accident.

Before the hijacking, Calloway purchased life insurance for his family and wanted to make the crash seem like a work-related accident in order for the family to be financially compensated. In fact, on a final note, the first airplane bomb in the US occurred in 1955 on UAL 629 when a Jack Graham placed a bomb in his mother's suitcase, who was a passenger on the plane. Graham purchased a life insurance for his mother right at the airport, when he took her to the plane.

So, first thing I would investigate, is whether the two pilots purchased life insurance for their next of kin.

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:57 am

I've been following this VERY long thread (is it a record for A.net?) and i've also been following the news online and on TV.

I have no idea what has happened to this 777 and all 200+ people onboard, but more and more leads me to believe of some sort of cover up and not any airplane malfunction.

This entire situation can be described in 4 words: "This is f***ed up!"
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:58 am

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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:58 am

Quoting nm2582 (Reply 8):

I would think that this would bring a lot of unwanted attention, if indeed your goal was to disappear. ATC would ask other aircraft to try and contact you, might get other radar sources to track you, would alert authorities... Much better to vanish, just like they did - it worked very well for them, don't you think? The only thing that has spoiled their disappearance is the satellite pings.

Yes. That's exactly why they did it the way they did, and didn't turn the transponder off early.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:01 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 25):
Yes. That's exactly why they did it the way they did, and didn't turn the transponder off early.

Except they went through the effort of turning off ACARS first and then took ten minutes to turn off the transponder. ACARS/SATCOM wasn't even discovered until days later if it was the plan to disappear turning it off wouldn't have mattered especially in the short run as no one is watching that data typically.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:01 am

I don't consider the Captain's enjoyment of Flight Sim an issue at this stage. He might be the kind of guy who made his passion his job.

Just because I larked around and did bridge loops and such in FS didn't mean I'd do the same when I used to fly gliders.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:05 am

Quoting stackhouse007 (Reply 17):
As a flight sim enthusiast as well, I think that comment is absolutely ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous in the context of the incident. With all due respect, as a stand alone artifact in attribution of guilt, it would have no significance whatsoever. But in light of how this aircraft was apparently "darkened" and FLOWN, you can simply not categorically dismiss the significance of this.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:06 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 27):
Just because I larked around and did bridge loops and such in FS didn't mean I'd do the same when I used to fly gliders.

Even using google search histories can make people look like they are doing horrible things or have multiple conditions at once. The simulator at home is just that unless they find some confession, note saying otherwise claiming a simulator at home = terrorist isn't logical.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:08 am

Quoting sipadan (Reply 28):
It's not ridiculous in the context of the incident. With all due respect, as a stand alone artifact in attribution of guilt, it would have no significance whatsoever. But in light of how this aircraft was apparently "darkened" and FLOWN, you can simply not categorically dismiss the significance of this.

I don't understand what your trying to say. Just because a situation has many unknowns we should be pointing fingers at random points which make no sense?

That doesn't make any sense, being a pilot would make the probability of liking a flight sim at home high.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:10 am

Quoting tomlee (Reply 26):
ACARS/SATCOM wasn't even discovered until days later if it was the plan to disappear turning it off wouldn't have mattered especially in the short run as no one is watching that data typically.

In the AF447 accident, authorities released transcripts of the ACARS data on June 4, which means they surely had it days before that. I seem to recall mention of it a day or two after the accident, although it's difficult to find those news reports now.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting tomlee (Reply 26):

Except they went through the effort of turning off ACARS first

I'm guessing that info might be incorrect and ACARS was not actually turned off at all during the flight to IGARI.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:12 am

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-03/14/c_133186204.htm

BEIJING, March 14 (Xinhua) -- Chinese researchers have detected a "seafloor event" near the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam, an area suspected to be linked with the missing Malaysian jetliner MH370, a university announced on Friday.

The event occurred at about 2:55 a.m. local time on Saturday, about one and a half hours after the plane's last definitive sighting on civilian radar.

The area, 116 km northeast from where the last contact with the Boeing plane was recorded, used to be a non-seismic region, according to a research group on seismology and physics of the earth's interior under the University of Science and Technology of China.

The seafloor event could have been caused by the plane possibly plunging into the sea, the research group said.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:14 am

Quoting Shmendr (Reply 22):
so perhaps the MH370 pilot wanted to avoid doing that in case the two boxes are recovered. Instead, he simply flew the plane long enough for the recording to be deleted and then allowed the plane to run out of fuel over the Indian Ocean.

And how is he going to get from their last known position out over the sea on the north side of the Malaysian peninsular to the Indian ocean without popping up on either Malaysia's or Thailand's radar screens?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:15 am

Apparently some Chinese researchers claim to have a "sea floor anomaly" in the non-seismic region between Malaysia and Vietnam with a time frame consistent with the loss of the plane's track.

The article is titled,
"Seafloor event" possibly linked to MH370: Chinese researchers

It is 1.5 hours after the last good known contact but who knows, is the water shallow enough for the plane to even make an impact that is detectable.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:15 am

Sipadan, why do you keep assuming its the captain? Maybe the first officer was suicidal and stabbed the man who actually loved his job.. Stop making such irrational assumptions as if they hold some weight.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:16 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 32):
I'm guessing that info might be incorrect and ACARS was not actually turned off at all during the flight to IGARI.

I'm guessing we shouldn't be guessing so much. I'm just going off what I'm reading.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:17 am

Quoting Shmendr (Reply 22):
Theory: Pilot attempt to conceal evidence of a suicide. Possible reason = life insurance for family.

Common misconception.

Life insurance for pilots is not your average life insurance. It´s not like your average Joe that can come up and buy a policy, and it definitely is not going to be routine for the relatives left behind to receive the money after the pilot is gone, particularly if he dies performing his job.

Any pilot thinking about a plot like this to leave money for their family has a surprise coming. Well, the family, anyway. It does depend on local laws, but multinational insurance companies have very strict protocols regarding this issue. At the minimum suspicion the accident was something other than that, an accident, it´s going to take at least until the final report comes out for any money to be doled out. And sometimes not even then.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:17 am

Quoting LTC8K6:
Why couldn't the co-pilot, for example, go into the E/E bay and turn off whatever he could think of, prior to the hijacking?

Because he didn't. Data was sent and received during the flight, up to a certain point.

Quoting LTC8K6:
Couldn't he get up for a bathroom break, and enter the E/E bay?

This insinuates the entire flight deck was "in on it" and I have a hard time believing that. There is no credible evidence to support that theory.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 1):
why not squawk 7600?

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In there anyway to see a wiring diagram of the 777, even a basic layout of where the wires physical run?


Here is a cutaway of the 773. I thought I had a labelled version, I'll have to keep looking.


If you want to get a sense of general passenger jet architecture, you can take a look at the 738. Don't assume things are the same on both, however:



Here is the antenna 772 antenna layout:
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:18 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 31):
In the AF447 accident, authorities released transcripts of the ACARS data on June 4, which means they surely had it days before that. I seem to recall mention of it a day or two after the accident, although it's difficult to find those news reports now.

ACARS still isn't a very good "real time" system as it isn't indented to provide tracking and radar information. The fact it contains positioning data is useful but not immediately and only really helps investigators before they find the black boxes.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:19 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 33):

Why is there no more info about the Kiwi oil rig worker, who claimed to have seen a falling "fire ball"...
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:19 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 33):
BEIJING, March 14 (Xinhua) -- Chinese researchers have detected a "seafloor event" near the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam, an area suspected to be linked with the missing Malaysian jetliner MH370, a university announced on Friday.

Pick one:

(A) completely unrelated.

(B) guy on the oil rig saw a meteorite, this "seafloor event" is the meteorite impacting the ocean

(C) attempt at injection of confusion/uncertainty by China to distract the investigation

(D) a story which will later be retracted

(E) ????

Why would MH370 have basically gone nowhere from the point of loss of contact - orbited for 90 minutes and then crashed? This is also in direct conflict with the reported satellite data, so only one story can be true.

Interesting though.

[Edited 2014-03-13 23:28:00]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:20 am

Quoting CheezWiz (Reply 85):

Posting late response to CheezWiz from Part 21

Those three objects could be surface cruising whales which would explain the indistinct look, if you look closely at the one in 23972, you can see a long taper and then a widening at the right side which could be the tail. Blue whales can easily reach 100ft and sperm whales 70ft.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:21 am

Quoting cabochris (Reply 42):

Please check the NZ passport no. if it's legit or not. I just feel not.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:23 am

Quoting Wolger (Reply 45):
Please check the NZ passport no. if it's legit or not. I just feel not.

That doesn't seem like an utter over-reaction and violation of privacy, for simply saying he MIGHT have seen something?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:23 am

Sipadan, why do you continue to point fingers at the captain? Why not the FO?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:23 am

Quoting Wolger (Reply 45):

Didn't his employer verify that though?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:23 am

Question... If a pilot of a B777 wanted to incapacitate the passengers, could they slowly depressurize the cabin and cause everyone to pass out without anyone noticing and causing a panic? Are there separate controls for the pressure in the passenger cabin and the cockpit, or would the person at the controls need supplemental oxygen if they were to do this?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22

Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:26 am

Quoting rickabone (Reply 50):

They would have to put on the masks the pressure is the same throughout the pressure tube (cabin+cockpit). (Tube being the plane basically)