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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:29 pm

Due to length part 36 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 37:


MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 35 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)



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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory

MISSING MH370: ACARS cannot be disabled

MISSING MH370: Search for missing aircraft above politics: Hishamuddin


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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:40 pm

Let's face it folks. The search for MH 370 is too slow because we lack a resource to search thousands of square kilometers of the Earth's surface fairly quickly outside of satellites.

It's time to call in the U-2S and RQ-4 Global Hawk from the USAF or the Myasishchev M-55 from the Russian Air Force to scan the surface from a height of 60,000 feet--a height high enough to scan many thousands of square kilometers of the Earth's surface on a single flight.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:44 pm

From the previous thread posted by Voodoo

Quote:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 237):

But the one thing I have not heard about the pilot's flight sim - is it MSFS, is it X-Plane, is it a certified FTD program?
Forget where I sourced this (from an e-mail I sent to someone earlier today) but if this helps:

"Police said Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah played the games Flight Simulator X, Flight Simulator 9 and X-Plane 10. The logs from these games were deleted on February 3 and police are trying to access the deleted information."

In FS9, logging has to be turned on as an option.
In FSX, logging is a basic feature, but the log files can easily become corrupted and require that the .bin file be manually deleted to restore logging. Otherwise the program functions normally, but no new entries are added to the log. One issue FSX has with log files is that when they get very large they become more likely to become corrupted.

Don't know about logging in X-Plane 10.

Also, the police statement indicates that he did not access / operate any of the three flight simulator games since Feb 3. Over a month before MH370 disappeared.

Seems very unlikely for someone who was supposedly practicing for a difficult landing/ flight.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:46 pm

Do we have any definitive result as to the Maldives sightings?

Another thought. If the plane did crash into the Indian Ocean then in theory, every day that goes by ought to widen the debris field - that should help somewhat.

[Edited 2014-03-19 05:48:01]
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:47 pm

I haven't commented on any of these threads so far, but just to add this tidbit. I was talking to a friend, a private pilot and instructor of some 30+ yrs experience. He was talking about a flight on a private aircraft he took back in 1981 from Dublin to Jersey and at that time, there was a certain restricted area one could pass through at weekends; during his passage through this restricted area, he was asked to contacted London Mil frequency and they asked him if he had a GPS; he had a very basic one; they were very new in '81. The military people tested it to see if they could block it.

The point? Even back in 1981, when radar and surveillance technology was a fraction of how advanced it is today, they could spot small aircraft, even under the radar (as they were). How much more advanced their technology is today and of course, therein lies a problem; no one seems to want other countries to know just how far their reach extends or how effective (or otherwise) their coverage - this applies both to other countries in the region, but likewise, to people who might be planning similar things.

Malaysia today reported new radar information; not sure (as I write this) if this has been published yet.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:50 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 3):
Do we have any definitive result as to the Maldives sightings?

Dismissed in last press conference
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:55 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
Seems very unlikely for someone who was supposedly practicing for a difficult landing/ flight.

Unless hed had done all his practicing by February 3rd and then just waited time to pass and a suitable flight. If he had deleted the logs the previous night of the MH 370 it would have been highly suspicious. I am not saying that he is guilty based on the current evidence, though.

EDIT: Correction to reply referral due to reply renumbering

[Edited 2014-03-19 06:19:04]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:01 pm

Am surprised so far no Medium/Psychics claimed they know something unless I missed it
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:10 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 8):

They already did. Didn't you see the Shaman, holding coconuts and bamboo binocular predicting the plane is still flying or already crashed after two days. On serious note, there was another psychic reenacted the event of what's actually transpired there. That was about 8 days ago where he saw them still flying after 3.5 hours. Hijacker about 35, wearing brown shirt. Two of them. One took control of the flight. Then plane crashed into see. Water is very chill......And all died.



 

[Edited 2014-03-19 06:11:11]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:10 pm

Have Maldives sightings been dismissed too quickly?

Of course the Maldives are not in the "official" search area but I believe it is worth reading the report by minivannews, a local on-line newspaper:

http://minivannews.com/politics/mh37...s-malaysian-defence-minister-80362

The argument for dismissing the sightings st this point is that neither civilian nor military radars noticed anything unusual.
Anybody knows where the Maldives military radars are located?
As for the civilian radars if we assume they are only near Male and GAN, the area of the sightings is approx. 100nm from Male and 190nm from GAN.

If anyone wanted to approach the Maldives while avoiding civilian radars, Kuda Huvadhoo looks like a pretty good spot. Just make sure you stay below 5,000ft.

Notice also that the sightings were apparently reported on March 9th but of course immediately dismissed. Remember, at that time the plane was supposed to be in the "official" search ares, east of Malaysia.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 10):

I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours. I was hoping for reporters to ask Malaysia Government whether they could provide a definitive number on the actual fuel MH370 carried but no one did.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting Tapir (Reply 9):

Well I guess I missed all of these,
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:16 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
he had a very basic one; they were very new in '81. The military people tested it to see if they could block it.

Considering the first of the GPS "Block II" constellation (not prototype, available for public use) was launched in 1989, I would say that's no small feat for a private pilot!

Basically what I'm saying is that your buddy is telling tall tales.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:17 pm

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 10):
The argument for dismissing the sightings st this point is that neither civilian nor military radars noticed anything unusual.

... and the Inmarsat pings.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:22 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 7):
Um.... I didn't say that!

Corrected... for some reason a reply can end up having a wrong referral if replies in-between are removed at the same time
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 13):
Basically what I'm saying is that your buddy is telling tall tales.

There was an older system (Navstar?) and of course there was DECCA, LORAN, etc. I only encountered those in a marine context, though.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:33 pm

Some progress from Bloomberg:

NTSB analysis on the plane’s fuel reserves and the distance it could have flown narrowed the search area to about 305,000 square kilometers (118,000 square miles).

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...k-on-analysis-using-fuel-data.html
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:35 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 14):
... and the Inmarsat pings.

Of course. For me "Inmarsat3 F1 last ping" is implied every time I say "official search area"
As for the dismissal by the Maldives, the argument appears to be that they saw nothing on radar, not that the eyewitnesses were sci-fi bufs that previously claim to have seen or visited UFOs.
The Male police is investigating but have not said anything yet.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:39 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 15):
There was an older system (Navstar?) and of course there was DECCA, LORAN, etc. I only encountered those in a marine context, though.

Navstar is what GPS Block 1 satellites were called, they were prototypes for testing and not available for civilian use. LORAN existed, sure, but that's not space-based...
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:44 pm

Quoting Tapir (Reply 10):
I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours

I think the Maldives are much closer to KL than Beijing.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting Tapir (Reply 11):

I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours. I was hoping for reporters to ask Malaysia Government whether they could provide a definitive number on the actual fuel MH370 carried but no one did.

Crazy isn't it.. that there is no central database of basic info like that available. It's not as if that could not be determined since the paperwork must exist.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:50 pm

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 19):
I think the Maldives are much closer to KL than Beijing.

It is. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MLE-KUL-PEK&MS=wls&DU=nm&SG=450&SU=kts
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:52 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 22):

it's a hoax, a 777 with a 380 picture
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:55 pm

Quoting Tapir (Reply 10):
I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours. I was hoping for reporters to ask Malaysia Government whether they could provide a definitive number on the actual fuel MH370 carried but no one did.

Not only that I wish some reporter will ask if there were any Deportees to China???
read an article which still bothers me and that article disappeared from its website but there are quotes from article which i posted in thread 35 and 36
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:56 pm

Quoting k83713 (Reply 16):
Some progress from Bloomberg:

NTSB analysis on the plane’s fuel reserves and the distance it could have flown narrowed the search area to about 305,000 square kilometers (118,000 square miles).

Thank you. That is an area of a size halfway between the UK and Germany, and less than half of Texas or New South Wales.

I assume that is the area where MH370 could have ended up including the area the currents would have distributed any debris.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:58 pm

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 20):
Quoting Tapir (Reply 11):

I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours. I was hoping for reporters to ask Malaysia Government whether they could provide a definitive number on the actual fuel MH370 carried but no one did.

Crazy isn't it.. that there is no central database of basic info like that available. It's not as if that could not be determined since the paperwork must exist.

Not sure what you mean by central database, but the fueling company and the airline know exactly how much fuel was loaded into MH370. The fuel provider would like to get paid and the airline wants to make sure they aren't paying too much. I can assure you the authorities involved in the investigation have already viewed these records and know how much fuel was on board MH370.

The investigators have chosen not to reveal these details and when you think about it, why should they? We have no right to know what these values are.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:59 pm

I don't know if this has been posted but I was sent the link by an opponent in a game of Word Feud:

Chris Goodfellow - MH370 A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.

Seems fairly plausible.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 12):

Oh dear! That was the best news so far from Malaysia. The shaman was invited to KLIA by Msia top leader, so he says. The fact he was allowed to conduct his ritual in KLIA airport speaks so much as to the quality of people involved in the investigation.

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 19):
Quoting Voodoo (Reply 20):

They saw the plane at 6 15 am. That means Msia local time would be 9.15 am . That means 8.5 hr flight. It is possible, maybe later we will hear there was extra fuel leftover from the previous flight.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:04 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 23):
Not only that I wish some reporter will ask if there were any Deportees to China???

From the previous thread:

Quoting Quoting Dalavia (Reply 181)::

The press conference confirmed that all countries have returned background checks on the passengers from their countries except for Russia and Ukraine.The checks received revealed no basis for alarm

Any refugees being forced to return to China would've been revealed with a background check.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 26):
Quoting Tapir (Reply 27):
They saw the plane at 6 15 am. That means Msia local time would be 9.15 am . That means 8.5 hr flight. It is possible, maybe later we will hear there was extra fuel leftover from the previous flight.

exactly, big difference between putting in 7.5hrs worth of fuel or the entire plane has 7.5hrs of fuel, they never specified exactly
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 18):
Navstar is what GPS Block 1 satellites were called

Hmm... you're right. In that case I don't know what it was. It wasn't as early as 1981 but it was before the full Block II constellation became operational and was already a few years old. Perhaps it was just an "opportunist" receiver that was able to make partial use of what was operational. It was certainly pretty crude and was replaced as soon as a GPS receiver was available.

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 17):
For me "Inmarsat3 F1 last ping" is implied every time I say "official search area"

Ah, I see what you mean. However, I think it's worth repeating just what a blow it would be if the pings had to be discounted.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 28):
Any refugees being forced to return to China would've been revealed with a background check.

do you really believe that? after 12 days I don't believe a word now what they say, if these people are of high interest to China, do you think they will tell us that? of course they will say it's all rosy they may even been flown out with false names or not even on the manifest, i wished that article was still live on website, because they mentioned that theses things were done before
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 26):
I don't know if this has been posted but I was sent the link by an opponent in a game of Word Feud:

Chris Goodfellow - MH370 A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.

Seems fairly plausible.

It's been posted and discussed extensively as to why it is wildly implausible.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:15 pm

I had asked this in the last thread but it got lost in the lock. With reports that the FMC flight plan was manually changed before or after the final communication to ATC I would like to know how they would know when the FMC inputs were made?? Would they know when exec was hit? How do they know what inputs were made at what time?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 31):
do you really believe that? after 12 days I don't believe a word now what they say, if these people are of high interest to China, do you think they will tell us that? of course they will say it's all rosy they may even been flown out with false names or not even on the manifest, i wished that article was still live on website, because they mentioned that theses things were done before

Do you believe that any intel agency took China's word and didn't do their own background investigation? They have run all the names on the MH370 manifest against their own databases.

If China believed these refugees left the country illegally, I don't see why they would use fake names and I believe Malaysia would be complicit in deporting any refugees back to China. No need for fake names.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:15 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1228252/mi...aysia-jet-chaos-at-news-conference

this is how the press conference is becoming like??
Will there be anymore scrutiny in future days, and if someone coming forward to tell the press something happened on ground before takeoff, will they be stopped or harrassed?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:19 pm

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 34):
If China believed these refugees left the country illegally, I don't see why they would use fake names and I believe Malaysia would be complicit in deporting any refugees back to China. No need for fake names.

well this is I want to raise as an issue maybe they are an accomplice and they are both covering it up
here is a quote i saved from the article

"These people will refuse to acknowledge Chinese citizenship to avoid being forcibly repatriated," said Kayum Masimov, president of the Montreal-based Uyghur Canadian Society. "They will simply refuse to talk. They fear for their safety."

Human Rights Watch spokesman Phil Robertson said when Uygurs "try to flee overseas, Beijing often pursues them relentlessly". He added: "Over the past few years, there have been several serious incidents in Cambodia, Malaysia and Thailand where China has used its influence to demand Uygur refugees and asylum seekers be returned against their will to China."

link no longer works, no wonder why??

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...fficking-camp-may-face-deportation
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:23 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 35):

How do you think the authorities in the UK would react to a protest at an AAIB press conference?
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:25 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 37):
How do you think the authorities in the UK would react to a protest at an AAIB press conference?

in UK relatives will not need to raise attention like that to speak to the Media, they will have free will to express anger, but these were tried to be shut up
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:27 pm

The information situation hasn't changed since MH370 disappeared: We know, that we know nothing except, that a B777-200ER with about 300 souls disappeared from the sky on 08.03.14.

The is no proof for any theory or rumours. We are getting since then contradicting informations only.

Possibly do the governments and secret services know more and this is a classical secret service operation by providing misleading information to the public.

Again: The only thing which is sure is, that we do not know anything about what happened.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:29 pm

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 19):
I think the Maldives are much closer to KL than Beijing.

You're missing the point. The last SATCOM ping was on the calculated arcs 7.5 hours after departure from KUL. They could not have reached the Maldives from that point with whatever fuel remained.
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:30 pm

Quoting psolk (Reply 33):
With reports that the FMC flight plan was manually changed before or after the final communication to ATC

That apparently has been debunked at the latest press conference. Depends, though, on how much of what the Malaysians say in press conferences you're willing to believe
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:31 pm

Still a bit unclear about the deleted data from the simulator.

Is it common to delete logs? I don't use my sim enough to know.

Quote:
Officials said that they had recruited “local and international expertise” to examine the flight simulator and that data had been deleted on February 3, over a month prior to the disappearance of Flight 370.

The deleted data was reported to be logs from the games....

above from

Malaysia Air Investigation Turns to Missing Data on Flight Simulator


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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:39 pm

Quoting PanAmPaul (Reply 42):
Still a bit unclear about the deleted data from the simulator.

Is it common to delete logs? I don't use my sim enough to know.

In my fs9 I don't even have logs checked, so if they are talking about autosaving flights, well that's another story, it depends on which FS they talking about, from memory fs9 you need an add-on to use auto save it doesn't come as default
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 7):

While not exactly predicting what happened, a psychic said in a few days, people would be seen crawling out of the jungle in a remote area, which was supposed to be the passenger from this flight I guess. Of course the prediction was made sometime last week, and "few days" expired last weekend.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:44 pm

when the pilot said " all right, good night " can we check whether he said the same thing on his previous flight about the same time as well ? this way we can know and compare and to indicate whether this is his normal pattern or something else.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:47 pm

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 45):

that's what everybody is waiting from investigators, but apparently thay are not willing to share much, also they brought up ideas to ask previous cabin crews aboutpilots' habits, like leaving door open, letting people in cockpit etc....

[Edited 2014-03-19 07:48:14]
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:48 pm

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 45):
when the pilot said " all right, good night " can we check whether he said the same thing on his previous flight about the same time as well ? this way we can know and compare and to indicate whether this is his normal pattern or something else.

And if on previous occasions he said "OK good night" or "all right good morning" what do we conclude?
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:48 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 40):
You're missing the point. The last SATCOM ping was on the calculated arcs 7.5 hours after departure from KUL. They could not have reached the Maldives from that point with whatever fuel remained.

Oh I totally understand the point about the satcom last ping. For several days I have been asking questions about the estimation method, its margin of error, arcs derived from previous pings and maybe some confirmation of calibration through pinging other targets of opportunity in the region.

But until that is made totally clear and transparent, I am suggesting that we should not brush off other data (e.g. sightings) just because they do not fit the current "official" theory that may be preferred by some.
 
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RE: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:58 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 47):
And if on previous occasions he said "OK good night" or "all right good morning" what do we conclude?

that this is his normal practice. If he never said that words on any of his previous flights...then this can be something that we have to take a look. Since we dont have much clue right now, the only sensible way is to find pattern.