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SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta

Sat Nov 04, 2000 11:55 am

Its official...Effective April 1, 2001 Delta will discontinue the Dallas - Honolulu flight, aswell as downgrading the nonstop Atlanta to Honolulu to a "onestop" thru LAX.

This move is due to a non-agreement with the pilots regarding a crew rest seat on the new B767-400.

As soon as an agreement with the pilots is reached with the crew rest seat, Delta will resume the nonstop flts from Atlanta. At this time Delta does not expect to resume a marginal profit flight from DFW to HNL.

Whens the last UA flight to Honolulu from Chicago?
Isn't UA going through the same ordeal?
 
alexinwa
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RE: SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta

Sat Nov 04, 2000 12:44 pm

I believe that last UA flight to Honolulu from ORD is Feb. 14th. Never did get a reason for the flight being dicontinued. Thought maybe DC-10 retirement but they are flying the 777 to Honolulu from the west coast, why not ORD? It is also strange considering ATA is adding a ORD-HON nonstop twice a week.
You mad Bro???
 
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RE: SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta

Sat Nov 04, 2000 2:08 pm

UA has the same problem as Delta does with this issue; crew rest seats on the 777 & 767-300 (whichever UA will use, I believe the former).
 
aio86
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RE: SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta

Sat Nov 04, 2000 4:09 pm

Although I'm not so educated on the crew rest seat problem I do remember from experience the pilots having their own seat. It was one of the United First Suites on the 777-200. They covered it in a curtain and each pilot/copilot was in there for about 3 hours 25 minutes. This was on an international flight from LAX-CDG so I don't know how they work it out on shorter domestic (yes Hawaii is still domestic) flights. They also did the same thing on my return European flight from MXP-IAD. Yet we also flew first back from IAD-LAX (without first suite) and the pilots did not have this amenity for the six hour flight (it was only 2 hours shorter that the flight from italy.) So I don't know if United really has this problem with it's 777 pilots.
-Aaron
 
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RE: SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta

Sun Nov 05, 2000 1:01 am

Well thats really good for AA,no competition out of DFW for HNL,arent all the DFW-HNL flights all full too?
Go big or go home
 
nwa747-400
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RE: SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta

Sun Nov 05, 2000 4:29 am

Good news for NW too. I believe NW will continue to operate it's very profitable winter schedule of nonstops.

DTW-HNL with the DC10
MSP-HNL with the 747

In addition to DTW and MSP onestops thru SEA, SFO, and LAX
 
flyaa757
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RE: SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta

Sun Nov 05, 2000 5:19 am

This is really great news for AA. First ORD, now DFW. AA is developing somewhat of a monopoly for its 4 non-stop Midwest-Hawaii flights. Perhaps we'll see a 5th and 6th?!?
 
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RE: United Crew Rest

Sun Nov 05, 2000 6:47 am

United uses 3 pilots on all flights across the atlantic, except for the jfk-lhr flight because the flight is not over 7 hours. on the return flight how ever, a 3rd pilotis used. United basically requires 3 pilots on all flights over 7 hours. Flights that are 11 and more usually require a 4th pilot.

The problem with the ord-hnl flight is that it is about a 10 flight from ord and an 8:30 hour flight from honolulu. This is united's longest domestic flight. United's DC10-30's were opperated with 3 pilots. United considered the 777 and 767-300 as canadates for the ord-hnl flight. However they were planning on using the domestic aircraft with a first class ptich of 38". United's pilots wanted a first class suite installed on the planes going to hawaii. United felt it wasn't worth installing this seat on a low profit flight. That is why the flight is being cancelled.
 
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FLYAA757...simmer Down

Sun Nov 05, 2000 7:48 am

Don't rule out TWA's daily Maui and Honolulu which is slated for double daily service this winter cutting into your American's precious profits. It seems ironic that as most of the majors seem to be in a pullout frenzy when it comes to Hawaii, TWA's doubling Honolulu-STL service, as well as innaugerating new service from LAX to Maui, Lihui, Honolulu, and Kona.

I can just imagine how happy American is with TWA's new Miami-San Juan triple daily service. St.Louis-SJU is also becoming two daily flights. I wonder which airline will pull the island passengers now. Together with a large expansion out of BOS, EWR and JFK, TWA's slowly rising to #1 as it solidifies it's commanding Caribbean presence.

Eat it, FLYAA757

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