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11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:33 pm

According to a letter sent to the Department of Homeland Security, requesting increased CBP staff. Apparently MIA is getting new international airlines. In the article it says 6 international airlines have confirmed to start MIA in 2014.

In addition MIA is currently at talks with 11 international airlines.

Currently MIA is awaiting 3 international airlines: Qatar Airways, Air Europa, Finnair and Jetairfly.
4 down. What could be the the other "confirmed" 2?


Also... What are the 11 possible international airlines do you think MIA is in talks with?

http://www.exmiami.org/index.php/ele...gin-new-international-flights-mia/

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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA?

Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:39 pm

This makes the third such thread - DFW's getting new carriers, IAH has four queued up, and now MIA has 11 awaiting better CBP facilities. I think some of those MIA carriers have already announced their intentions, and I would not be surprised if others are a possibility.

That said, Tel Aviv's got them all beat.
 
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA?

Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:43 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Currently MIA is awaiting 3 international airlines: Qatar Airways, Air Europa, and Jetairfly.
3 down. What could be the the other "confirmed" 3?

Insel Air Aruba launches in April, Boliviana de Aviacion in May and Finnair in December; plus Canadian North just launched last month. Canadian North is operating seasonal Saturday service between Miami and Hamilton, Ontario.


Airlines that have had active talks with MIA include Royal Jordanian, Aer Lingus, Turkish Airlines, Emirates, Etihad, JAL, Cathay Pacific, Korean Air, El Al and Austrian Airlines. Of course, they aren't all going to rush here and serve MIA and even five years from now, we may only see two of them. Royal Jordanian is probably the most likely of them for being next.

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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA?

Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:51 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 2):

I ditto all of the airlines mentioned in the active talks.

I would have said El Al, but now that AA is starting MIA-TLV in 2015 I felt like they wouldn't move in right after AA. Also, I'm wondering if TACA could be a candidate to serve MIA. Even a more far off guess of mine would be a north African carrier. Africa is pretty much unserved by MIA if my assumption is correct. I feel like if any African carrier would ever try MIA, a northern African airline would try first. Egyptair is not expanding at the moment, but what about Air Algerie or Royal Air Maroc?
 
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:11 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 2):
Cathay Pacific

MIA-HKG is 8990 sm great circle. Unless CX ordered the 777-8 and configure it in a low density seating, I can't imagine the talks will materialize into anything concrete.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 2):
Airlines that have had active talks with MIA include Royal Jordanian, Aer Lingus, Turkish Airlines, Emirates, Etihad, JAL, Cathay Pacific, Korean Air, El Al and Austrian Airlines.

Of those, I'm pretty sure Royal Jordanian and Emirates are already in town.

My guess is Cathay may be more interested in Houston at the moment.
 
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:31 pm

Gol is also planning. They already told they will fly GRU-CCS-MIA.
 
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:31 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
MIA-HKG is 8990 sm great circle. Unless CX ordered the 777-8 and configure it in a low density seating, I can't imagine the talks will materialize into anything concrete.

It doesn't have to be non-stop.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 7):

My guess is Cathay may be more interested in Houston at the moment.

Cathay probably isn't interested in Houston at all. Miami is a larger market to Hong Kong anyway. But Cathay to Miami isn't anything that is going to transpire this year, next year or the year after that. It's a long ways off, if ever; but it would likely happen sooner than Houston given Miami's strong economic ties to Hong Kong and position as a oneWorld hub.

Quoting lucaspithan (Reply 8):
Gol is also planning. They already told they will fly GRU-CCS-MIA.

Gol operates MIA-SDQ-GIG already.

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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:32 pm

Could Hainan (HU) be a dark horse candidate to serve MIA?

Quoting crazyguineapig (Reply 3):
I'm wondering if TACA could be a candidate to serve MIA.

TACA's been there for years SAL GUA and RTB - now flown on AV codes.
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:34 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Currently MIA is awaiting 3 international airlines: Qatar Airways, Air Europa, Finnair and Jetairfly.

I thought Jetairfly was already here, or is it a different TUI company?

Quoting crazyguineapig (Reply 3):
I'm wondering if TACA could be a candidate to serve MIA.

Taca (now Avianca) has been flying here for decades.
 
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:39 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
TACA's been there for years SAL GUA and RTB - now flown on AV codes.
Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 11):

Taca (now Avianca) has been flying here for decades.

I think he meant TACV.

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 11):
I thought Jetairfly was already here, or is it a different TUI company?

Arkefly.
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:44 pm

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 11):
I thought Jetairfly was already here, or is it a different TUI company?

That's ArkeFly.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 7):
Of those, I'm pretty sure Royal Jordanian and Emirates are already in town.

Already in town? If you mean that they already serve there, then no. No they don't. Not yet at least.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
MIA-HKG is 8990 sm great circle. Unless CX ordered the 777-8 and configure it in a low density seating, I can't imagine the talks will materialize into anything concrete.

Doesn't have to be nonstop. Can be HKG-YVR-MIA.

Quoting crazyguineapig (Reply 3):
I'm wondering if TACA could be a candidate to serve MIA.

TACA (Now Avianca) has been flying to MIA for years.

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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:47 pm

I would be more excited if talks were with WN, B6, NK, or VX. I know it will most likely never happen!  
Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
TACA's been there for years SAL GUA and RTB - now flown on AV codes

Don't forget SAP and MGA! And, not too long ago, SJO and TGU.

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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:47 pm

Here's another story, right here on airliners.net!
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-articles/read.main?id=163
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:04 pm

A HKG flight out of MIA isn't happening. OW alliance or not. With AA starting DFW-HKG on a 77W they will utilize every means to fill that plane which includes connecting passengers from MIA. DFW is slowly being used as AA's TPAC gateway and can easily absorb the PDEW that Miami gernerates to Asia.

CX to MIA and even to DFW now with the AA flight is a pipe dream.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting Fastphilly (Reply 16):
CX to MIA and even to DFW now with the AA flight is a pipe dream.

It's no pipe dream. It isn't happening anytime soon, but it is absolutely realistic to think Cathay will be flying to Miami and/or Dallas by decade's end. The market isn't going anywhere than up, and nowhere is the Asia market growing faster than from Florida, Texas, Georgia and the Southeast in general.

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:52 pm

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 11):
I thought Jetairfly was already here, or is it a different TUI company?

If they're not there yet, get ready cos they're coming - I am meeting my buddy off his flight from Brussels at MIA arrivals at midday on Monday 19 May. Nice times, I like an early North American arrival - this one leaves BRU at 0700 (admittedly painful) and lands at MIA at 1200. Aircraft is 767-300ER. Not sure of return times but I presume it leaves mid afternoon and gets into Brussels at a very early time (like 0520 or something).
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:10 pm

JL would have a hard time operating out of MIA. Their planes won't have the kahunas to make it to MIA without having to take a load hit.
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:11 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 15):

It's no pipe dream. It isn't happening anytime soon, but it is absolutely realistic to think Cathay will be flying to Miami and/or Dallas by decade's end. The market isn't going anywhere than up, and nowhere is the Asia market growing faster than from Florida, Texas, Georgia and the Southeast in general.

Absolutely. Also, in regards to range, let's wait and see what the A359 will bring. CX has a few of those on order. MIA-HKG is already in the range of the A359. If It beats expectations this could become a viable route.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:25 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
JL would have a hard time operating out of MIA. Their planes won't have the kahunas to make it to MIA without having to take a load hit.

A 788 or 77W are not going to have any problems.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:43 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 4):
MIA-HKG is 8990 sm great circle. Unless CX ordered the 777-8 and configure it in a low density seating, I can't imagine the talks will materialize into anything concrete.

How much demand is there for MIA-HKG? I just don't see the two cities having much in common in terms of business or even leisure.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:53 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 22):

Its OW hub-to-hub regardless of traffic which I know Mah4546 mentioned as being high yielding though not super big (2011 was 30 PDEW)

MNL is a larger market from MIA though.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:04 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 21):
How much demand is there for MIA-HKG? I just don't see the two cities having much in common in terms of business or even leisure.

It's approaching 40 PDEW this year, and growing at an healthy rate, with very high average fares. The two cities have strong ties in real estate development, trade/shipping and finance (specifically private wealth), and Miami is the main Americas base for Swire Group and HSBC's Latin American headquarters.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 2):
plus Canadian North just launched last month. Canadian North is operating seasonal Saturday service between Miami and Hamilton, Ontario.

Isn't that a charter? I thought we were talking about scheduled services. Canadian North doesn't include MIA as a destination bookable in their website and those flights don't seem to appear on other schedule sites.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:21 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):

Yep, it's a charter. Mainly to fly passengers for cruises
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:09 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 10):
Arkefly.
Quoting Miami (Reply 11):
That's ArkeFly.

Thanks for the clarification. I knew it was one of the "Fly's"

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
Aircraft is 767-300ER.

Any chance of one of their new 787-8's in the very near future? I've seen them (flight #'s 107/108) fly over on Fridays on their way to/from Cancun.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting lucaspithan (Reply 6):
Gol is also planning. They already told they will fly GRU-CCS-MIA.

With the current Venezuelan goverment i doubt the DOT will approve any new link between Venezuela and USA until US Airlines get approval for they new routes by Venezuelan agency INAC.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:49 am

Quoting difrano789 (Reply 26):
With the current Venezuelan goverment i doubt the DOT will approve any new link between Venezuela and USA until US Airlines get approval for they new routes by Venezuelan agency INAC.

Did not even get that far. Venezuela rejected Gol's applicaton, and Gol flies via SDQ, instead.
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:15 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 19):
A 788 or 77W are not going to have any problems.

NRT is probably too long for the 788 with a good load, particularly JAL's early 788s. The 789 or 77W should be fine.

The only current or planned aircraft that could fly HKG with a full load are the A340-500, 777-200LR, and 777-8X.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:23 am

I wonder how long of a flight is HKG-MIA nonstop.   
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Is there a chance TK startS MIA sometime next year? I remember TK expressing interest in MIA.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:37 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 19):
A 788 or 77W are not going to have any problems.
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
NRT is probably too long for the 788 with a good load, particularly JAL's early 788s. The 789 or 77W should be fine.

Maybe the 789. The 77W can make it, but filling a 77W of JL's configuration is probably not going to work.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
The only current or planned aircraft that could fly HKG with a full load are the A340-500, 777-200LR, and 777-8X.

I agree, HKG could work with the 778

Quoting Miami (Reply 29):
I wonder how long of a flight is HKG-MIA nonstop.

I believe it's the same length as DFW-SYD.
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:49 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
NRT is probably too long for the 788 with a good load, particularly JAL's early 788s. The 789 or 77W should be fine.

A fully loaded 787-8 has a range just over 9,000 miles. I don't get how it doesn't make MIANRT absent some sort runway/climate restrictions at Narita or Miami? Especially given JAL's low density configuration. It is not much longer than ORD-DOH, which was scheduled to be a 788 route on QR.

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Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:53 am

Interesting, but MIA is not the only City that been asking for additional CBP officers.

LAX
JFK
ORD

Anyone else needs staffing.....

CBP should start looking at what their pax arrival rate is and start denying landing rights at times peak times instead of rubber stamping like they normally do.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:55 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
I believe it's the same length as DFW-SYD.
HKG-MIA will be about 400 mi more. If ever happens, will become World's longest flight.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 30):
Is there a chance TK startS MIA sometime next year? I remember TK expressing interest in MIA.

Sure. Why not? We may see an announcement late this year.

Can anyone imagine AZ at MIA?! Lol! Only 8051 mi      

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Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:24 am

IF Miami gets to an Asian nonstop it should be to Tokyo but AA or JAL don't seem to have plans for such a flight. Korean could fly from Seoul nonstop to Miami, their ICN hub can connect Miami to any major city in Asia. With the 787-9 and the A350-900 flying Miami may finally get the missing link to its route map.
 
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Aer Lingus state they are looking at adding another Florida destination for 2015.

The source for this is an interview with the EI head of commercial on a website which is not permitted to be linked to from here (apparently!) but which is a known industry network planning resource!
 
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Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 32):
A fully loaded 787-8 has a range just over 9,000 miles.

  

7650 nm (8800 miles) is full 787-8 range in still air, and some of JL's frames have even less. MIA-NRT westbound is flying into winds the entire way, and is going to be a bit more than that in still air distance most days.
 
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Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 33):
CBP should start looking at what their pax arrival rate is and start denying landing rights at times peak times instead of rubber stamping like they normally do.

Why inhibit commerce for their own failure to adequately staff?
 
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 36):
Aer Lingus state they are looking at adding another Florida destination for 2015.

Has to be MIA. What other Florida airport would they use?! And no. It won't be FLL   
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:54 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 30):
Is there a chance TK startS MIA sometime next year? I remember TK expressing interest in MIA.
Quoting Miami (Reply 34):
Sure. Why not? We may see an announcement late this year.

Didn't TK once try MIA (I think it was maybe 10 years ago with A340's)? Or is my mind playing tricks on me?

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 37):
7650 nm (8800 miles) is full 787-8 range in still air, and some of JL's frames have even less. MIA-NRT westbound is flying into winds the entire way, and is going to be a bit more than that in still air distance most days.

They can always use a 787-8 with a technical stop in Anchorage, yes?
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:58 am

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 40):
They can always use a 787-8 with a technical stop in Anchorage, yes?

I'd think it would be much cheaper and easier just to use a 787-9, which has longer range.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:03 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 39):
Has to be MIA. What other Florida airport would they use?! And no. It won't be FLL   

EI are a primary airport user these days - the LCC days are over, now that they are a network airline again. Considering much of their passengers are coming from UK cities, and indeed throughout Europe, connecting in Dublin, they need to be flying the primary airports.

DUB has been at the top of MIA's wishlist on aforementioned industry website for some time now.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:20 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 32):
A fully loaded 787-8 has a range just over 9,000 miles. I don't get how it doesn't make MIANRT absent some sort runway/climate restrictions at Narita or Miami? Especially given JAL's low density configuration. It is not much longer than ORD-DOH, which was scheduled to be a 788 route on QR.

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Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:26 am

Aer Lingus to Miami would be great. Pre flight customs would give great bonus for London & other Western Europe passengers to pre clear customs. All depends on flight time ex Dub, or a night in a hotel will be needed. Worth it to avoid a possible 2 hour wait at Mia. Perhaps Aer Lingus could operate to Fort Lauderdale.
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:38 am

How large is the O&D between Miami and Dublin? Can the flight operate daily? How many times a week does EI fly to MCO?
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:41 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 45):
How large is the O&D between Miami and Dublin? Can the flight operate daily? How many times a week does EI fly to MCO?

MIA's own numbers seem to suggest a 3 per week service on A330 is feasible - however, those numbers appear to date from before EI started heavily pushing connections at the Dublin end. I'm sorry that I cant link to the website in question - I had a post removed for linking to it.....

EI presently serve MCO thrice weekly.

Quoting Condor24 (Reply 44):
All depends on flight time ex Dub, or a night in a hotel will be needed.

As an example, MCO is a 12:20 departure from DUB - it connects to every UK destination EI has.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:49 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 22):
It's approaching 40 PDEW this year, and growing at an healthy rate, with very high average fares. The two cities have strong ties in real estate development, trade/shipping and finance (specifically private wealth), and Miami is the main Americas base for Swire Group and HSBC's Latin American headquarters.

40 PDEW? That is far less than half of what it would take to even consider a ULH flight from a station that has low domestic feed for westbound international flights. DFW-HKG is around 40 PDEW but unlike MIA that's in a poor location for domestic feed DFW can fill the plane from domestic connections throughout the southeast (which includes MIA).

40 PDEW can easily be absorbed into three stations for HKG flights. DFW, LAX and to a lesser extent SFO.

Even more important with only 40 PDEW how many of those will fill the front of the plane? I don't see enough business/high yield traffic to make an ULH to HKG viable. MIA has about as much chance of getting a non-stop to HKG as SFO has of getting a non-stop SA flight to JNB. In other words fat chance.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:19 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 37):
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 32):
A fully loaded 787-8 has a range just over 9,000 miles.

  

7650 nm (8800 miles) is full 787-8 range in still air, and some of JL's frames have even less. MIA-NRT westbound is flying into winds the entire way, and is going to be a bit more than that in still air distance most days.

So the 787-8 is such a poor performer that with an 8800mi range it can't handle a 7400mi flight?
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RE: 11 International Airlines In Talks To Start MIA

Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:00 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 48):
So the 787-8 is such a poor performer that with an 8800mi range it can't handle a 7400mi flight?

JAL is still recovering from it's financial issues. They will not gamble at this point in time on a ULH route even if it's a 787 to a new / unproven destination.

My guess is EI and RJ will be those other two that will give MIA a shot.

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