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Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:33 am

Looks like they are going to use a Flybe franchise, i was thinking they were going to use the Stobart brand.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what 6 routes are announced.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-new-deal-with-flybe-30123418.html

STOBART Air, formerly Aer Arann, has announced a new deal with Flybe which will result in it flying six routes to continental Europe from London's Southend airport.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:06 am

Hi clydenairways

Very interesting considering our conversations on the previous thread around the "rebrand".

This makes a lot of sense for RE and Flybe. I wonder what destinations they have in mind and what aircraft will be used. Isn't the entire RE fleet currently branded and being utilised as EIR? Can't see Flybe being happy with that.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:14 am

Guess this is what Flybe was looking for given the Gatwick cut backs this year. It will be interesting to see the response from Easyjet, but I think Flybe will start what they will stop at Gatwick. I don't think they plan to compete directly with Easyjet.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting BA677 (Reply 2):
I think Flybe will start what they will stop at Gatwick

Na this isn't a Flybe operation to replace Gatwick domestics.

This is a new Stobart (Aer Arann) in Flybe colours operation.

Probable candidates are Luxembourg/Rotterdam/Eindhoven/Dusseldorf/Hamburg/Hanover and perhaps Antwerp.

There are few areas where Flybe and Easy compete head on.

Easy as Southend is about weekend trips to Marbella Alicante Tenerife and golfing on the Algarve
True they do a few cities Amsterdam/Edinburgh and Berlin,a romantic break in Venice and a Polish shuttle .
Quite a balance network mix in fact !

[Edited 2014-03-25 03:29:18]
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:26 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):
Na this isn't a Flybe operation to replace Gatwick domestics.

This is a new Stobart (Are Arann) in Flybe colours operation.

Probable candidates are Luxembourg/Rotterdam/Eindhoven/Dusseldorf/Hamburg/Hanover and perhaps Antwerp.

I should of said, I was thinking more about the European routs. I don't see the point in domestic except Belfast maybe.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:31 am

They have said they will operate Benelux and Northern Europe. I think we will see Munster as that was rumored before. The Northern Europe routes will be interesting. Perhaps they will give Kristiansand a go after Flynonstop.

Rotterdam would see them go against Cityjet and BA from LCY and BA from LHR. Dusseldorf has also had an increase in flights already with BA at LCY.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:38 am

Quoting BA677 (Reply 4):
I should of said, I was thinking more about the European routs. I don't see the point in domestic except Belfast maybe.

Only Flybe Gatwick internationals in recent times have been Dusseldorf and Nante.

Belfast was one of the routes Easyjet trialled from Southend however believe its now closed and i also understand Edinburgh is no longer bookable coincidentally after min June !

So just perhaps Edinburgh and Belfast are two of the proposed routes.
Lets wait - its only a few days and all will become clear.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:49 am

Greven/Munster or Hanover suppose they will be heavily promoting around Colchester !
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:16 am

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 1):
Isn't the entire RE fleet currently branded and being utilised as EIR? Can't see Flybe being happy with that.

Their last ATR72 from last years order, was meant to be delivered white. As its not been delivered yet, what it'll actually arrive as is unknown. That only gives them one, though. Two of the very old 72-200s are in Aer Arann colours still also.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:02 pm

Excellent news, and an interesting arrangement.

The Flybe brand certainly is a very good choice to operate the routes which have been suggested.

It will be interesting to see what routes are announced and put on sale next week. Whilst there may very well be scope for some domestic routes from SEN operated by the ATRs, flights from niche European destinations could be a very interesting proposition.

It will be interesting to see how this new arrangemnts could develop over the next few years.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:43 am

Looks like Stobart Air will exercise options on a further 4 ATR72's

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...aft-after-flybe-deal-30125060.html
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:52 pm

How about CGN instead of DUS? More convenient for the FORD traffic between the Dagenham and Cologne plants than the STN flights by Germanwings.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:06 pm

vfw614, the Dagenham motor plant is 1 minute closer to STN than to SEN.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 13):

vfw614, the Dagenham motor plant is 1 minute closer to STN than to SEN.

Flightline previously operated SEN-CGN for Ford. However the Dagenham plant is now much smaller than it was so might not be the same level of demand.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:34 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Thread starter):
Looks like they are going to use a Flybe franchise

Sorry, i don't get it... Flybe announced some time a go to be the preferred franchise airline for Europe and sealed the deal with Finnair. Now, Flybe "the franchise-airline of choice" is turning to STOBART AIR? Must be a punch in the face for all the staff made redundant in the last couple of month: Flybe Cuts 500 More Jobs (by scouseflyer Nov 11 2013 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:41 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 15):
Now, Flybe "the franchise-airline of choice" is turning to STOBART AIR?

They already have Loganair flying under the Flybe franchise. Loganair and Stobart Air choose the routes, not Flybe.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:39 pm

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 13):
vfw614, the Dagenham motor plant is 1 minute closer to STN than to SEN.

Hmm, yes, but that is on the M25....

The traditional Ford corporate shuttles were operated for many years from Southend, first by Ford Air and later by Flightline. AFAIK, Ford now uses Germanwings from Stansted. As an interesting coincidence, the frequency of the STN-CGN will be reduced from late October - whyever...
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:00 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 17):
Hmm, yes, but that is on the M25....

None of them are on M25 - just crossing underneath or above M25. The drive to SEN was on A13 and the STN was on M11.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:58 pm

You are right, of course. However, having taken the bus to/from STN from/to Stratford a lot of times, I would assume that the risk of getting stuck in traffic on the M11 is considerable. Not sure if the same is true for the A13 or A127 as I have never been on them. Anyway, I guess it must have been for a reason why Ford Air ald after its demise also Flightline/Jet2 used SEN much longer than STN
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:39 am

I wouldn't be surprised if EIR also contracted for more ATRs from Stobart in the future as, given the current big drive by Aer Lingus to increase the numbers of transatlantic passengers from the UK transiting through its DUB hub, they may well wish to increase the number of UK regional airports served by EIR. Leeds, Liverpool, East Midlands, Doncaster/Sheffield and Humberside are ones that would immediately come to mind.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:58 am

And the following destinations have been announced:

- Groningen in NL
- Rennes in France
- Caen in France
- Munster Osnabruck in Germany
- Cologne Bonn in Germany
- Antwerp in Belgium
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:44 am

Any guesses which two ones will the double daily? I assume that they will operate at least four daily legs with each aircraft, so that calls for two destinations with twice daily flights and the remainder with a daily flight.

EDIT: To answer my own question, it looks like this:

London SEN - Rennes 2x daily ATR72-600 w/e 05JUN14
London SEN - Münster/Osnabrück daily ATR72-600 w/e 05JUN14
London SEN - Groningen daily ATR72-600 w/e 05JUN14
London SEN - Antwerpen 2x daily ATR72-600 w/e 03JUL14
London SEN - Cologne/Bonn daily ATR72-600 w/e 03JUL14
London SEN - Caen daily ATR72-600 w/e 03JUL14

...with ANR and CFR initially starting daily before being brought to twice daily later in the year.

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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:11 am

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 22):
Any guesses which two ones will the double daily?

The airline has already announced that Antwerp en Rennes will go double daily later this year.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:16 am

Quoting stratocruiser (Reply 20):
Leeds, Liverpool, East Midlands, Doncaster/Sheffield and Humberside are ones that would immediately come to mind.

DSA (along with DTV which has also been dropped) was one of the launch routes for EI Regional in 2010. Timings were poor for transfers, I believe only the later JFK and BOS flights were possible; and it was when the setup was new, T1 was still in use, later flights didn't always preclear and so on. So it'd be less likely but not out of the question.

First two are flights I could definitely see easily though.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:19 am

Anyone in the know if the franchise deal with Flybe allows UK domestic flights from the LON area, given the notable absence of any domestic routes from SEN?
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:23 pm

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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:29 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):

Anyone in the know if the franchise deal with Flybe allows UK domestic flights from the LON area, given the notable absence of any domestic routes from SEN?

Such scope clauses may exist however they will be commercially sensitive and certainly not in the public domain.
 
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RE: Stobart Air Announces New Deal With Flybe

Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:07 am

That was a quickie:

SEN - CGN pulled six days after the start of sale - probably due to Ryanair starting two daily flights STN-CGN in November. One has to wonder why Stobart launched the route in the first place given the imminent launch of the new Ryanair base at CGN.

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