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Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:28 pm
by LondonCity
There was a briefing by Qatar Airways CEO in Edinburgh today. The news is that the airline will increase its forthcoming
EDI service to daily by the end of the year and the plan is to go double-daily if the demand is there.
With Etihad tipped to serve
EDI next year, it seems that Scottish passengers have never had it so good.
www.scotsman.com/news/transport/edin...t-second-flight-to-qatar-1-3352781
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:02 pm
by gkirk
EY and
QR 2 x daily, plus a China flight could well be overkill I fear
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:12 pm
by hibtastic
So pessimistic. I'll keep saying it -
EDI is a huge draw to visitors and this is an area that can be grown significantly.
QR will increase to two daily before going for larger aircraft than the 788.
EY is likely to be an A332 or 787. Plenty room for more.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:12 pm
by lightsaber
Quoting LondonCity (Thread starter): The news is that the airline will increase its forthcoming EDI service to daily by the end of the year and the plan is to go double-daily if the demand is there. |
While I'm excited about the increase... it is a jump. Is this indeed a 788 route? (Per photo in the link. But that could be a 'stock photo.')
This is one of the routes the 787/A350 have the potential to open.
(More fragmentation is a *great* thing!)
I'm bummed
EK isn't serving
EDI... but I think market demand would be met if it is 2X
QR and 2X
EY. From then on it would be upgauging.
Lightsaber
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:18 pm
by hibtastic
Yes 5 per week 788 from May 28th this year. Would love to see
EK there too as I travel between dubai and
EDI quite a lot. I use
VS at the moment for this but will probably switch to
QR or
EY if they announce
EDI.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:10 am
by gkirk
Quoting gkirk (Reply 1): So pessimistic. I'll keep saying it - EDI is a huge draw to visitors and this is an area that can be grown significantly. QR will increase to two daily before going for larger aircraft than the 788. EY is likely to be an A332 or 787. Plenty room for more. |
I also forgot the
TK flight.
Yes, I know
EDI is a huge draw, but there needs to be a balance somewhere
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:33 am
by rutankrd
Nothing to see here really, just Mr Baker doing a sales pitch.
Winter increase at Edinburgh to daily inevitable, and plans to move to a second daily at some distant and unspecified time frame when yield, second transfer wave, and of course when that new airport opens are also hardly news.
Double daily isn't imminent
Through a read elsewhere a couple of Japanese visitors are due in July
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:22 am
by lukeyboy95
Quoting gkirk (Reply 5): Yes, I know EDI is a huge draw, but there needs to be a balance somewhere |
I do agree. Wouldn't want to saturate the market.
But it has been an incredible turn in fortunes for Scotland in terms on longer destinations. How much of this can be put down to the new
EDI owners, and how much to aggressive Middle Eastern expansion.
And does anybody have figures from Visit Scotland that tourist growth alone would be enough to justify such expedited expansion?
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:57 am
by nighthawk
Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 7): And does anybody have figures from Visit Scotland that tourist growth alone would be enough to justify such expedited expansion? |
You don't necessarily need growth to fill those seats. Look at all the flights
EDI has to the hubs, especially
LHR, a lot of that traffic will be to/from Australia / Asia / Middle East. These extra flights will provide an alternative routing for these passengers, at the expense of some of the existing European hub airports.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:46 am
by LondonCity
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 6): Nothing to see here really, just Mr Baker doing a sales pitch. |
But at least there's more positive information than can be gleaned from the official release.
www.qatarairways.com/english_global/...nf&CID=SMALL0678502232000000001105
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:58 am
by rutankrd
Still nothing tangible.
OH don't get me wrong here QTR will go double daily on certain days at some point similar to Manchester operations.
Network wise however they are the weakest of the ME3 . Onboard service outstanding however transit facilities not such much (right now)
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:02 am
by hibtastic
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 10): Network wise however they are the weakest of the ME3 . Onboard service outstanding however transit facilities not such much (right now)
|
I dont think this is correct.
QR have a bigger fleet and serve more destinations than
EY. Add to that - they are part of the Oneworld alliance.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:05 am
by chrisnh
I am glad to see airlines use the 787 for its primary mission of serving 'long and thin' routes. This seems to be an example of that. Here on our shores, Boston got JAL with the 787 and will soon welcome Hainan to Beijing with their Dreamliner. Hopefully Qatar comes to Boston like they are at Edinburgh; we hear rumblings, but nothing concrete yet.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:10 am
by wzafar
They just don't make planes fast enough for the ME3 do they? Also the whole delay of the new
DOH airport is slowing them down...
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:40 am
by rutankrd
Quoting hibtastic (Reply 11): I dont think this is correct. QR have a bigger fleet and serve more destinations than EY. Add to that - they are part of the Oneworld alliance. |
Etihad are developing a homebrew alliance - Effectively own Jet so have far greater penetration of the important sub continent market place. Combined way bigger fleet than QTR.
Qatar are Oneworld members but so what .
Have you been through Doha - Its a shed !
You also need to look beyond simple big numbers when comparing networks and more directly at the viable transfer opportunities
Hell your not going to fly
EDI-
DOH-
YYZ or even
MAN-
AUH-
YUL are you ?
Going East the only market where QTR outstrip Etihad is the Philippines and that more about the nanny shuttles -Vast majority go off the peninsular and in to Saudi.
However for a UK perspective Etihad serve more Australian points more often.
The Chinese networks are practically identical.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:52 am
by rutankrd
Expanded- Edinburgh has a significant number of
BA/OW elites and whilst this service seems nice on the face of it I very much suspect the vast majority will continue to be booked shuttle
T5 and beyond by a combination of inertia perceived convenience and personal greed ( Better awards on
BA )
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:35 pm
by skipness1E
Quoting hibtastic (Reply 2): So pessimistic. I'll keep saying it - EDI is a huge draw to visitors and this is an area that can be grown significantly. QR will increase to two daily before going for larger aircraft than the 788. EY is likely to be an A332 or 787. Plenty room for more. |
Hang on, Scotland is not an infinite market an
EDI is a good city break from Europe but the numbers around long haul are not going to be exponential here. Long haul going west is highly seasonal and going East is partially sewn up with
EK and Skywards. Are we seeing a repeat of long haul rushing into new markets like NWA,
AC,
BA,
AA and
UA all serving
GLA going West back in the 90s or are we looking at medium term sustainable growth. It's not *THAT* big a market, it's really not.
Shiny new airport opening soon, soon-ish, hopefully....
Quoting hibtastic (Reply 11): I dont think this is correct. QR have a bigger fleet and serve more destinations than EY. Add to that - they are part of the Oneworld alliance. |
They're both political arms of their rather, "old fashioned" states.... They have people on the payroll talking up things big time to get newspaper column inches, the real decision can only ever be made after the route matures over 18 months to 2 years. In exceptional cases like
EK in
DUB, they know they're onto a winner very quickly though.
EDI is a huge draw during the summer when it's almost passably warm on some days,
EK at
GLA is more biased towards outbound than inbound I believe, and that bias markedly limits the size of the market. Good luck to
QR, looking forward to seeing
EDI looking like a real airport. now if only they had a real terminal!
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:36 pm
by hibtastic
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:08 pm
by skipness1E
Spill it if there's anything worth knowing. BAA put a pint into a half pint pot, then managed another one for good meausure. The current layout is just a mess and a bottleneck, they had the chance to build a fit for purpose 21st century building and instead built a tin shed. That was the chance to redevelop properly and then knock down and rebuild the 1977 terminal as a stage 2 of the redevelopment.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:42 pm
by BritishB747
Good to see that Qatar are feeling confident about this new service. Hopefully Ethiad will announce their competing route soon. There should be enough traffic to sustain a limited number of flights like these. A lot of people I know who are involved in the oil industries and shipping often take jobs out in south-east Asia. Places such as Malaysia. They more often than not fly on Emirates but being on the east side of Scotland I am sure more will find the
EDI links a much better option than going over to
GLA and fighting to get through the city.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 6): Through a read elsewhere a couple of Japanese visitors are due in July |
Care to elaborate on this? If there are any Japanese flights into
EDI I would like to have the opportunity to photograph them.
Regards
Mark
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:54 pm
by rutankrd
Quoting BritishB747 (Reply 19): Care to elaborate on this? If there are any Japanese flights into EDI I would like to have the opportunity to photograph them.
Regards
Mark |
To/from Osaka, 02/07/14 and 09/07/14 on B777-200 TIME TBA
JAL normally do a few of these each summer to various European cities such as Vienna, Bergen ,Barcelona and have done Edinburgh before.
[Edited 2014-03-26 09:58:33]
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:19 pm
by BritishB747
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 20): To/from Osaka, 02/07/14 and 09/07/14 on B777-200 TIME TBA
JAL normally do a few of these each summer to various European cities such as Vienna, Bergen ,Barcelona and have done Edinburgh before. |
Thank you very much. Will have to set a reminder for this or I will forget.
Yeah I have heard about them heading into
EDI before but this was usually after the event so its good to get a heads up this time.
Thanks again
Mark
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:30 pm
by TC957
I think a summer season
NRT -
EDI 2 or 3 x weekly 787 would work well for
JL or
NH.
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:23 am
by skipness1E
Quoting TC957 (Reply 22): I think a summer season NRT - EDI 2 or 3 x weekly 787 would work well for JL or NH. |
Hard to get high yield traffic using that operation nowadays, the asset is best deployed elsewhere on a daily operation and Scottish passengers served via Oneworld partner
BA over the hub at
LHR. They're actually charters are they not? JAL only supplying the aircraft and not selling the tickets?
RE: Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:41 am
by hibtastic
Quoting TC957 (Reply 22): I think a summer season NRT - EDI 2 or 3 x weekly 787 would work well for JL or NH. |
EDI are working hard to bring in a Chinese Airline and it is rumoured that negotiations are ongoing. Somebody on another site suggested that the necessary government approvals are there for such a service to begin as early as 2015.
Beijing is tipped as the destination.
Plans are underway as I understand it to sort out the International / Domestic arrangements at EDI and create more stands for larger aircraft.
The first stage is the East Project which is currently ongoing to extend the check in space and security hall as well as enhance the retail facilities in the terminal.
[Edited 2014-03-27 01:44:52]