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SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:45 pm

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...140324/article/140329803?p=1&tc=pg

I find this particularly interesting because FL left SRQ in the merger with WN, but two routes the airport is desiring, are BWI and PIT, and even offering incentives for BWI. Could WN make a return? both routes seem to fit under it's route system. And if they did, I would imagine more routes could be under consideration such as MDW, PHL, BUF, etc.

It did mention:

"Visit Sarasota County tourism officials are using a $1 million co-marketing program with the Orioles to help persuade airlines, like Delta, to consider the flight."

I'm not sure if they are just throwing out an airline name, but could DL be a possibility? DL seems to operate flights to hubs from BWI, and they don't even serve larger markets such as TPA or MCO from BWI. I thought an interesting one could be NK, as they are adding new routes to BWI, and operate smaller stations, so could they make an entrance into SRQ? And thinking a little out of the box hear, but how would this retiree driven market treat NK and the way they operate (ya know, charging for everything, no leg room, etc.)

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...ICLE/140329809/2055/NEWS?p=1&tc=pg

I just struggle to see an international carrier consider SRQ, unless it be a Canadian carrier. I think the best option would be trying to get AC to expand it's ops at SRQ (more frequency, routes). I'm just running out of names of carriers that would operate few time weekly to a market like sarasota. Edelweiss already operates at TPA. Condor said no a few years ago. Air Berlin operates at RSW. It would definitely be a tourist driven carrier, as there is very little to no business demand from SRQ. I would imagine there best possibilities lie at those who already serve SFB..

But I just hope something goes well for SRQ. It is a very undeserved area in terms of flights, and I hope some carrier gets something started, especially after the dismal departure of FL a few years ago. B6 seems to have expanded and hopefully that continues.
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:14 pm

SRQ has had incentive programs on the table for years. They also have had SCASD grant money on the table without much success. Tough sell for whatever reason.
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:11 am

Quoting TPAfan (Thread starter):
Could WN make a return?

As much as I hope they do, the proximity to their large TPA operation makes it tough for them to go back despite FL being very successful there.

Some possible growth I possibly see at SRQ:
- B6 upgrade BOS-SRQ to year-round
- B6 add DCA-SRQ 1x daily with their new slots in round 2 of announcements
- DL upgrade DTW-SRQ to year-round
- A charter carrier flying 1-2 weekly widebody flights to SRQ

Below is an article detailing ongoing and future projects at SRQ including an expanded customs facility to accommodate large jets for a possible European charter.
http://www.aviationpros.com/news/113...ojects-continue-to-revamp-property
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:36 am

Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 2):
Some possible growth I possibly see at SRQ:
- B6 upgrade BOS-SRQ to year-round

They tried it last year - it didn't work in the summer.
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:20 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 3):
They tried it last year - it didn't work in the summer.
That's weird, I flew BOS-SRQ in August and the flight was 100% full on the E190. They upgauged the flight to A320, so couldn't they just use the 190 during summer and A320 the rest of the year?
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Tough sell for whatever reason.

Only 50 some miles from SRQ to TPA is a big reason I'm sure, that and only 45 or so miles to PIE.
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 4):
They upgauged the flight to A320, so couldn't they just use the 190 during summer and A320 the rest of the year?

That's what they were doing... it may not be performance just an opportunity to use the plane elsewhere like DCA.
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:16 pm

Their best bet might be trying to lure F9 from TPA and getting service on a less than daily basis to ILG, TTN, PIT and CLE
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:24 pm

Such are the fruits of consolidation...lost service. Sarasota seemed to work for AirTran. I flew into SRQ last month on a reroute from a trip going to RSW, and was surprised to see an Air Canada Rouge A319 (or A320, I can't remember) there.

SRQ will likely remain about what it is, due to the proximity of TPA and RSW. I was surprised how short the drive was down to the Naples area from SRQ (I was going to a conference at Ave Maria U., about 25 miles inland from Naples). And I-75 seemed to be in good condition and (in the evening) uncongested. But good luck to SRQ in attracting whatever service they can.

Back in 1980 and 1981, I flew into SRQ with my parents to visit our wintering neighbors, and remember the corrugated metal EA terminal, and the National Sun King 727 I saw!

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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:36 pm

I am surprised that UA isn't going to start IAD-SRQ. The ORD-SRQ route is routinely at 90%+ load factors. Yes that does not guarantee profits, but a quick look at the website shows very high fares compared to TPA. IAD would be able to pull some people from the BWI area, but do they have the space at IAD to make such a route possible?
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:49 pm

SRQ lured UA to start ORD-SRQ (replacing FL's old MDW-SRQ), so maybe they could lure UA to fly IAD-SRQ (replacing BWI). Granted, given UA's phobia of serving Florida from IAD in general, they probably won't bite.
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:53 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
SRQ lured UA to start ORD-SRQ (replacing FL's old MDW-SRQ), so maybe they could lure UA to fly IAD-SRQ (replacing BWI). Granted, given UA's phobia of serving Florida from IAD in general, they probably won't bite.

Maybe IAD will be the next loss from the network? I still think UA may try to open a HUB in Florida, maybe MCO (unlikely given the leisure traffic) or TPA (slightly more likely). It seems that IAD is being stripped of many routes, not just to Florida. But I really do believe the IAD-SRQ service would do well. If not, IAH-SRQ would probably do fairly well.

How is US doing on CLT-SRQ?
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:26 pm

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 9):
I am surprised that UA isn't going to start IAD-SRQ.

UA can't even sustain a 1x FLL-IAD.

This isn't going to happen.
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:36 am

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 12):
UA can't even sustain a 1x FLL-IAD.

This isn't going to happen.

But I think TPA-IAD would be a better comparison, and that is running on 3x daily. So I think seasonally could be considered.
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:13 am

I think this has B6 written all over it.

1x PIT and BWI for the winter...collect the incentive and they will fill a 190.
 
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:18 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 9):
I am surprised that UA isn't going to start IAD-SRQ. The ORD-SRQ route is routinely at 90%+ load factors.

UA recently upped the ORD flights to twice daily....on a few days, both flights were 739 !

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 11):
How is US doing on CLT-SRQ?

Well, that route has been served since 1989....so OK, I suppose

I could see B6 doing BWI-SRQ.....if....B6 were doing BWI-Florida

I think there is an incentive package for Houston that's been on the table a few years.....a UA hub....imagine that!

If anything, UA needs to restart EWR.

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 5):
Only 50 some miles from SRQ to TPA is a big reason I'm sure

.....and TPA was there in Feb/March 1992....taken from another thread


I was going through some old boxes and discovered this. It's a listing of flights that I wrote myself at the time all from timetables (remember those?). My educated guess is that it is from Feb/Mar/Apr of 1992 or Feb/Mar/Apr of 1993 This is of course before RJs and back then I could have cared less about regional props. These were all big mainline aircraft!

Here are the departures:


6:36 AA

6:40 DL

6:45 US

7:00 CO

7:25 UA

7:25 DL

7:30 US

7:35 AA

7:51 CO

8:10 TW

8:25 NW

8:32 UA

9:00 DL

9:10 CO

10:55 DL

11:25 US

11:50 DL

12:10 UA

12:30 US

12:35 CO

12:40 DL

12:47 UA

12:52 AA

12:55 DL

1:00 NW

1:00 US

1:02 TW

1:50 US

2:23 CO

2:25 DL

2:30 TW

3:35 NW

3:45 US

4:43 AA

5:50 DL

6:20 DL

7:10 US

10:16 CO


The 1st 14 flights, all except the CO departure at 7:51 RON. That means all 13 gates were occupied overnight!

And this wasn't even the true heydeys. SRQ had 37 departures in July 1987 vs 38 here in the midst of high season. Hell, latter part of December 1977, we had 27 departures: Eastern -17, National-10. Compare that with what we have today!
All-time record was in April of 1990 with 58 departures





After 28 years of service SRQ lost EWR...after 20 or so years, SRQ lost IND....and now BWI



Excluding Florida, SRQ has had nonstop flights to:

ATL
CLT
DCA
BWI
IAD
PHL
EWR
LGA
JFK
BOS
PIT
CLE
DTW
BNA (one way, I believe)
MKE
ORD
MDW
MSP
STL
DFW
IAH
IND
RDU
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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:17 am

My wife and I fly between LGA and either TPA or SRQ, with SRQ being our final destination quite often throughout the year for business and personal reasons and basically I find the Sarasota area empties out in the off season. Car traffic is far less, the stores and restaurants are not as crowded so I think it would be hard for any airline to earn a decent profit in the off season at SRQ.

DL downsizes it daily LGASRQ non-stop from either an A-319 or MD-80 to a CRJ in the off season.

One reason we fly into TPA more often than SRQ is the higher car rental rates at SRQ, sometimes TPA rates can be up to one half the rates at either Dollar or Enterprise and the airline fares are usually 10 to 20 dollars lower at TPA than SRQ as well. If the combined rates are within $50 to $60 more at SRQ, then we will fly into SRQ, but that does not happen that often

One major problem I see for SRQ is that there is no major businesses based there, mostly it is leisure traffic flying on lower fares unlike TPA, which could be considered the business hub for the west coast of Florida and gets more of the higher fare business travelers.

If SRQ wants to attract more traffic, they have to work with the car rental agencies and the airlines to get them to lower their rates to be completive with TPA, and I just don’t see that happening.

We stay in South Sarasota and it can take us 20 to 25 minutes, depending on traffic to SRQ going up Hwy 41, or 1 hour to TPA on I-75 to I-275, so for us to save $150 or more in car rental rates and airline fares it’s a no brainer for us to use TPA.

If SRQ was more competitive with TPA, we would definitely use SRQ. I see SRQ as being what it is, a niche airport servicing a small market, especially with TPA 55 miles to the north and RSW 70 miles to the south

I am not knocking SRQ, I think it is a great airport.

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RE: SRQ; Incentives For BWI Route, Eyes International

Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:18 pm

Unfortunately SRQ faces a huge problem. Cost.
Until the costs are significantly lower than at TPA selling to the airlines is a battle with token service being the only option.

The airlines can not, and will never justify increasing capacity at any airport when there is a larger airport that has lower costs within an hour drive. Based on elasticity of pricing the airlines take the position that the additional costs come directly out of their pockets. It is a challenge to expect airlines at TPA to give up passengers in a more competitive market.

Seasonal flights between BWI and SRQ is very interesting. DL only flies to HUB/Focus cities from BWI so to expect SRQ to win these flights can only be based upon significant financial support. DL would be opening the door for hundreds of airports to say "Me Too." Given that DTW is weak at SRQ based on not over-flying the hub the idea of BWI-SRQ non-stop, hub bypass, may be more a case of the airport saying what they want versus what DL will fly.
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