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Smallest Town In The US With Scheduled Service?

Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:47 am

I was wondering what is the smallest town (population wise) in the US that has scheduled service? Would probably make for some interesting discussion.

Could it possibly be Adak, Alaska (ADK)? Population just over 300 but has Alaska B737s flying in.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:09 am

Kalaupapa, HI (LUP). Population 90.
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:20 am

You might want to quantify that a bit. When I was flying Piper Navajos out of Fairbanks Alaska it was on scheduled passenger service, and we regularly flew to villages with populations in the two-digit range. The smallest we had with daily service was Rampart, population 24. Officially Bettles was smaller with 12 people, but they served several hunting lodges and outfitter operations, with quite a few people coming & going.

In the more remote parts of the world there really isn't a hard-and-fast rule for size of communities that can get air service. As the size of the destination shrinks so does the size of the aircraft serving it, but daily scheduled flights can happen even in the tiniest of places.

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RE: Smallest Town In The US With Scheduled Service?

Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:32 am

Quoting DariusBieber (Thread starter):
what is the smallest town (population wise) in the US that has scheduled service?
Quoting BeachBoy (Reply 1):
Kalaupapa, HI (LUP). Population 90.

This was my guess as well, but does LUP receive "scheduled service" still? Or are the flights operated as needed, as they have been in the past? I know there is a tour plane from KOA that does stop for lunch at LUP, but that is not scheduled.

As was pointed out by HAL, and it totally makes sense, rugged, unforgiving places, like Alaska, get regular flights to bring supplies that otherwise would have no way of getting in via any other means.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:01 pm

What was the name of that town featured on "Flying Wild Alaska" that has a year-round population of 1? Busy place in the summer with multiple flights a day, serves as a base camp for hunters. But for half the year only the caretaker stays there.

I'd actually be more interested in what is the smallest town in the "lower 48" with non-EAS air service? As in, the smallest town that is connected to the highway network and manages to sustain service on its own...
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:06 pm

How about qualifying it with Part 121 carrier. Of course, the definition of "town" is nebulous. Flights to DCA land in Arlington County which has a population of 200,000, but is part of the Washington MSA which is much, much larger.
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:52 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 5):
How about qualifying it with Part 121 carrier. Of course, the definition of "town" is nebulous. Flights to DCA land in Arlington County which has a population of 200,000, but is part of the Washington MSA which is much, much larger.

Another good point... Technically the smallest town with airline service may be DFW, as the airport has its own postal service city designation.
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Here is a list of the FAA FAR Part 139 certified airports.http://www.faa.gov/airports/airport_safety/part139_cert/ A state-by-state Excel spreadsheet populates.

The info you are seeking would have to cataloged under a FAA certified airport. Non FAR certified airports can fly less than ten pax under charter regulations. I would start with FAA approved class IV airports.

Although one should not be confused by rural; my first thought was somewhere in New Mexico or Montana. Surprisingly KAAF (Appalchiacola, Florida) is quite small with a populous just over 2K and is smaller than SHD.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:45 pm

I know a lot of cities in Montana and Kansas are quite small - cities like Hays and Garden City. Both are about 20,000 and have scheduled, real plane service.
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:02 pm

Although certainly not the smallest Yakatat, AK receives twice daily 737 service with a population of 668. I'm sure PenAir and Era (now Ravn) would fall into the categories HAL was mentioning.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:27 pm

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 4):
I'd actually be more interested in what is the smallest town in the "lower 48" with non-EAS air service? As in, the smallest town that is connected to the highway network and manages to sustain service on its own...

Williston, ND has a population of about 18,000 and sees non-EAS service from Delta Connection/SkyWest CRJ-200s to MSP, and United Express/ExpressJet ERJ-145s to DEN. Not sure if anywhere beats that.

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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:50 pm

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 10):
Williston, ND has a population of about 18,000 and sees non-EAS service from Delta Connection/SkyWest CRJ-200s to MSP, and United Express/ExpressJet ERJ-145s to DEN. Not sure if anywhere beats that.

Cape Air is 3xdaily Kirksville, Mo to STL. Kirksville's population is 17,500.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:52 pm

It's going to be a village up here in Alaska.

Most of the time the reason for the scheduled flight is going to be the mail contract, not passengers.

20 years ago when I was working or REeve, I was stationed in a town with 90ish people and six 727 flights a week.

It was traffic heading elsewhere that justified that level of service.

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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 10):
Williston, ND has a population of about 18,000 and sees non-EAS service from Delta Connection/SkyWest CRJ-200s to MSP, and United Express/ExpressJet ERJ-145s to DEN. Not sure if anywhere beats that.

LOL not anymore. It is about double that now from what I have read.
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But Sun Valley,ID ( airport in Hailey) is far under 18K folks, With OO to SFO SLC and QX to SEA LAX. But we know why they get service.

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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:54 pm

What about AS's seasonal service to Gustavus/Glacier Bay? There's negligible population there, if any?
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:56 pm

How about places like Show Low or Paige, AZ?
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:09 pm

Aspen, CO? population: 6658
Hayden, CO? population: 1810
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:14 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 15):
How about places like Show Low or Paige, AZ?

Page, Arizona is only about 8000 people or so, until summer time when the visitors show up. Show Low is slightly larger, IIRC.

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Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:30 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 8):
Both are about 20,000 and have scheduled, real plane service.

It's funny how perspectives are. I grew up in a town of 165 people. The closest town of any size (Williston, ND) was about 12,000 at the time. Outside of the crowded east coast and major metro areas, 20,000 can actually be large enough to be regional centers for many rural areas.

I could name a dozen or more towns smaller than 20,000 with air service without even trying.

Montana: Havre, Sidney, Glendive, Wolf Point, Glasgow, Miles City (dropped recently maybe?)
North Dakota: Dickinson, Williston (although both may now be pushed over 20,000), Jamestown, Devils Lake
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:33 pm

Quoting BeachBoy (Reply 1):
Kalaupapa, HI (LUP). Population 90.

Wouldn't that rather qualify as a camp, a base or something? A village?
Is there such a thing as a town with, say, 30 inhabitant (outside zombie/apocalypse movies)?

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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:07 pm

Howdy! I live in a city of 12 000 here in North Western part of Province of New Brunswick Canada and We do not have an Airport, this is very discouraging after reading all those post before this one. That shows How shallow We are here in this City, We had a small Airport, but People are always whining here, so it closed down, I was miffed and very upset. You are very lucky to have an Airport that have some flights so You can go get a flight from ATL to go to Zurich(Just an example), Us here We have to travel five to ten hours to get an adequate flights. We have Presque Isle Maine Airport, but An Airline there is only going to BOS. So adequate or not adequate at the same time, if You want direct flight or other options You have to drive far enough to go get a flight with other options. It is not very good. Businesses here in this City are trying to do something though, but there seems to not have strong traction enough, but I am praying that the Airport sees the day. Take care to You All.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:17 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 8):
I know a lot of cities in Montana and Kansas are quite small - cities like Hays and Garden City. Both are about 20,000 and have scheduled, real plane service.

What exactly is "real plane service"?   
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:29 pm

Tiny Adak, Alaska has two weekly 73Cs to Anchorage.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:33 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 22):
Tiny Adak, Alaska has two weekly 73Cs to Anchorage.

I think Glacier Bay/ Gustavus is smaller.
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:03 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Most of the time the reason for the scheduled flight is going to be the mail contract, not passengers.

That is correct with most small villages in Alaska. My nomination would be Tenakee Springs in Southeast Alaska. Daily mail/pax service. Population 80 +/-. TKE also has ferry service but that takes eight hours or so from JNU. Both modes of transport are enjoyable.

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Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:18 pm

Quoting rolfen (Reply 19):

Quoting BeachBoy (Reply 1):
Kalaupapa, HI (LUP). Population 90.

Wouldn't that rather qualify as a camp, a base or something? A village?
Is there such a thing as a town with, say, 30 inhabitant (outside zombie/apocalypse movies)?

More like a leper colony, there are all the basics, residents need on the small peninsula that is Kalaupapa.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:22 pm

Cape Air's new service to Block Island (town of New Shoreham) might qualify. Year round population of just under 1000.
 
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:36 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):
What about AS's seasonal service to Gustavus/Glacier Bay? There's negligible population there, if any?

The populations of Gustavus (GST) hovers in the mid-400's. Not negligible by the standards in this part of the world, and certainly not when you consider the reason for the flight (tourism) and the fact that's it's a quick tag-on from JNU.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:50 pm

Some related questions that might be interesting:

-What's the smallest city to get mainline service?
-What's the smallest city to get mainline service from a network carrier (Sorry, Allegiant   )
-What's the smallest city to get international service?
-What's the smallest city to get transoceanic service? (Raleigh maybe?)
 
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:46 am

St. George, Alaska Pop approx. 100. 3X weekly Saab 340 service.
 
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:03 am

Lihue Kauai has only about 7,000 people that live there, but their airport sees 2M passengers per year. Hawaiian, Delta, United, Alaska, United and US Airways (among others) have regular service.
 
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:14 am

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 26):
Cape Air's new service to Block Island (town of New Shoreham) might qualify. Year round population of just under 1000.

New England Airlines had provided year round service to Block Island since 1970. The permanent population of Block Island is about 1,000, but ca rise up as high as 12,000 during the summer holidays.
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:32 am

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 27):
The populations of Gustavus (GST) hovers in the mid-400's. Not negligible by the standards in this part of the world, and certainly not when you consider the reason for the flight (tourism) and the fact that's it's a quick tag-on from JNU.

There's actually quite a few hotels and resorts down there in Glacier Bay so the summer population is a few thousand at least.
 
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:04 am

Quoting boeingmd82 (Reply 30):
Lihue Kauai has only about 7,000 people that live there, but their airport sees 2M passengers per year. Hawaiian, Delta, United, Alaska, United and US Airways (among others) have regular service.

International Falls, MN has about 6300 residents and it is served by Delta Connection twice daily.
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 28):
-What's the smallest city to get mainline service?
-What's the smallest city to get mainline service from a network carrier (Sorry, Allegiant   )
-What's the smallest city to get international service?
-What's the smallest city to get transoceanic service? (Raleigh maybe?)

Hmm definitely some great questions!

- Probably some city in Alaska using B737s from Alaska Airlines as mainline.
- Your definition of "network carrier" may be different than others... So not sure on that one.
- I'm thinking Fairbanks! Population of 32,000 with Condor services to Frankfurt, as well as Japanese service to Narita, Osaka and Nagoya.
- Nope! Fairbanks again.  

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Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:37 am

Pellston Michigan (PLN), population of 822 people (2010 census), receives twice daily CRJ service from DTW during the winter, and up to four daily CRJ (some to be CR-9) during the summer.

I believe that might be the answer to the smallest city with daily service.
 
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 33):
nternational Falls, MN has about 6300 residents and it is served by Delta Connection twice daily.

International Falls probably gets a lot of Canadians that drive across the border to use these flight. The flights most likely go to MSP and connections to other destinations are made.   
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:59 pm

How about PLN (Pellston MI) with pop. of 800. One of the coldest places, and has scheduled flights year round with DL CRJs for DTW, at one time North Central had DC-9 30s into PLN in summer.
 
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:06 pm

I was thinking I could get away with a technicality on BKG as it is privately owned but it's mailing address is Hollister, MO...pop 1400. Are there any airports not legally part of ANY city or township that could lay claim?
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting flflyer (Reply 37):
How about PLN (Pellston MI) with pop. of 800. One of the coldest places, and has scheduled flights year round with DL CRJs for DTW, at one time North Central had DC-9 30s into PLN in summer.

Fond memoires of Pellston. When I was a kid we went to a resort in Harbor Springs, MI every summer. We would fly into Pellston on North Central -- a Convair 580 back then.  

Daily service to Hana, HI (Maui) -- pop. is only around 1,200.
 
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:26 pm

Quoting boeingmd82 (Reply 30):
Lihue Kauai has only about 7,000 people that live there, but their airport sees 2M passengers per year. Hawaiian, Delta, United, Alaska, United and US Airways (among others) have regular service.

To be fair, PHLI serves the entire island of Kauai which has a resident population of ~50,000.

This is a rather nebulous question to ask. There are only 50 different variables which could skew this.
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:42 am

I know with my company the airport with the smallest population where the airport is located would be XNA, Which technically is in Highfill, Arkansas, Total population from the 2010 census of 583, which gets non-stop service to pretty much all corners of the USA (NYC, LA, Chicago, Texas). It doesn't hurt that it's in Benton County, Ar which is the home county of JB Hunt transport, Tyson Foods, and a little known company called Walmart. Toss that in and the whole Fayetteville–Springdale–Rogers metropolitan area then the catchment area jump to around 465,776 people.
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:45 pm

On the same lines, I'd be willing to bet Telluride, population: 2303, may be the smallest city with 2 airports marketing themselves to it: TEX and MTJ. TEX (which is btw the highest commercial airport in the US) sees daily B1900 service to Denver, one stop service to LA, and has in the past seen non stop service to LA and Phoenix. Montrose (who's code, MTJ, stands for Montrose/Telluride Jetport) sees year round service to Denver and and ski season service on most legacies to their major hubs.
 
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:47 am

Quoting flflyer (Reply 37):
How about PLN (Pellston MI) with pop. of 800. One of the coldest places, and has scheduled flights year round with DL CRJs for DTW, at one time North Central had DC-9 30s into PLN in summer.

Wow...how does a town this small keep that service? Is it because its mainly a resort area? I see the county it is in has a population of 32,000. I checked out the airline terminal there....very cool!
 
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:08 am

Latrobe PA with a population of 8200 would be one of the smaller centers in North America outside of Alaska with at least daily 737/A320 jet service
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