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Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:22 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NNkwgfMlwg

What is really alarming is the action after the collision. Supervisor pulls the driver out of the truck in what seems like an attempt to remove any evidence of a collision, and in the process almost backs over another employee.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:26 pm

I don't believe what I just saw (regarding the stupidity)... Anyway, the 757 showed who is boss! Both people who drove that truck need to be subject to drug and alcohol testing at the very least...
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:41 pm

Wow! Where did this happen? What are these idiot ground handlers (assuming contracted) thinking? Do they think UPS won't notice a big dent and hole in their airplane.

[Edited 2014-04-27 05:56:12]
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:52 pm

Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 2):
Wow! Where did this happen? What are these idiot ground handlers (assuming contracted) thinking? Do they think UPS won't notice a big dent and hole in their airplane. I see nothing, I know nothing, what damage? We know nothing!

This was in Miami recently. I wouldn't assume they were contractors either. UPS is a trucking company with a horizontal managerial hierarchy (many different internal fiefdoms). CYA rules the day as we see here.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:59 pm

Wonder how anyone can CHA on this one. Plain idiocy trying to drive a truck underneath a 757. OK, this happens at bridges around the world dozens of times daily but drivin on the tarmac should be allowed only to those who obtain a Special license for that before they are let lose.

Random drug and alcohol tests should be mandatory as well, at access Points. And finally, I never udnerstand how the USA gets away with imposing strict regulations of airside access all over the world except on their home turf.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:02 pm

I hope the 757 is okay.

Hard to tell from the video, but I can't see any damage to the 757, looks like the trailer took all the damage.
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:12 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 5):
Hard to tell from the video, but I can't see any damage to the 757, looks like the trailer took all the damage.

Did you see how the plane rocked? Minor bumps by ground equipment can cause expensive damage. Being broad sided by a truck is sure to damage internal structure, this is a big deal!

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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:05 pm

I see nothing in this video to suggest anything resembling an attempt to "cover " anyone's ass and I do not see anyone almost getting run over. Those comments remind me of the Beatles song "Nowhere Man" , just see what he wants to see.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:47 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 7):
and I do not see anyone almost getting run over.

So you don't think the ramper who went behind the truck was almost run over by the co-driver (who took over in a hurry) reversing w/o any apparent checks for anyone in that position? It sure looks like that to me.
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:04 pm

Wow....simply unbelievable video.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
And finally, I never udnerstand how the USA gets away with imposing strict regulations of airside access all over the world except on their home turf.

I'm not sure what this has to do with what happened in the video. If you're implying that these individuals should have been stopped at some access point...how would the security guard have known that they were about to do is? It doesn't even appear to be intentional. And if you're implying that these men should have never receive badges in the first place, then you clearly don't understand the process we have to go through to obtain an airport badge. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 7):
I see nothing in this video to suggest anything resembling an attempt to "cover " anyone's ass and I do not see anyone almost getting run over.

Are you kidding me? Are you watching the same video as us? After the accident, the person initially sitting in the right seat clearly rushes over to the driver's side and takes control. The proper response would be to evaluate if anyone was injured. And the truck should not have been moved unless it was creating bodily harm. Only after the police arrived should the vehicles be moved. Clearly he was trying to "undo" what had just happened. And the near run-over is at 17 seconds. The guy initially on the ground was about to walk behind the truck when he realized the other guy was backing it up, so he was able to move backwards just in time.

This video is a perfect example of what NOT to do when involved in an accident. Both individuals should never be allowed to work at an airport again.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:18 pm

Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 9):
Clearly he was trying to "undo" what had just happened.

I am sure the SOP would be to leave the vehicle exactly where it was and then launch an investigation.

My only thought, though, is perhaps they were rushing the vehicle out from below the aircraft because they may have thought that the aircraft was going to collapse onto the truck after the impact. The truck did not hit either the nose wheel or the main landing gear, but in the middle of an accident like that people make split second decisions. The crash shook the daylights out of the 757, and as it whipsawed back there was a guy under the fuselage, which would have scared anyone watching. My only thought is that this was a knee-jerk response to the impact, and an effort to get the truck/driver out from underneath the weight of the aircraft.
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:25 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 7):
I see nothing in this video to suggest anything resembling an attempt to "cover " anyone's ass and I do not see anyone almost getting run over.
Quoting sejtam (Reply 8):
So you don't think the ramper who went behind the truck was almost run over by the co-driver (who took over in a hurry) reversing w/o any apparent checks for anyone in that position? It sure looks like that to me.

It appears the man behind the truck is motioning with his arms that it's clear for the truck to back up and he seems to be moving back rather causally for someone who should be in fear for their life if they thought they were about to be run over.  
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:42 pm

Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 9):
I'm not sure what this has to do with what happened in the video

May be it enlightens you, when you quote the complete paragraph

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
Random drug and alcohol tests should be mandatory as well, at access Points

Overall, the security at US Airports is less than what is mandatory in Europe and many asian countries. The stowaway on the HA airliner at SJO was another Occasion which could not have happened here.

BTW, as said, a regular driving license should not be enough to allow airside Access. Whoever drives airside must undergo special drivers training and tests. This may not be idiot proof but any one with half a brain would know that his truck is higher than the space underneath a 757.
More to that, driving with that Speed underneath any aircraft even with a flat Ferrari would be a no go and lead to an immediate ban of driving air side.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:34 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):

That reminded me of this video I saw on youtube once.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IAqKdX3rXi4

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):

Stowaways have happened in Europe.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:42 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 13):
Stowaways have happened in Europe.

When and where since the 9/11 based rules became effective about 2006 or so?
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:24 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
BTW, as said, a regular driving license should not be enough to allow airside Access. Whoever drives airside must undergo special drivers training and tests. This may not be idiot proof but any one with half a brain would know that his truck is higher than the space underneath a 757.
More to that, driving with that Speed underneath any aircraft even with a flat Ferrari would be a no go and lead to an immediate ban of driving air side.

I'll admit to have limited experience, but when I was trained in airside driving as a contractor on a military airfield, we were specifically trained to NEVER, EVER drive any vehicle underneath an aircraft. Period. I can't imagine that driving underneath a parked aircraft is acceptable practice anywhere.
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:36 pm

Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 15):
I'll admit to have limited experience, but when I was trained in airside driving as a contractor on a military airfield, we were specifically trained to NEVER, EVER drive any vehicle underneath an aircraft. Period. I can't imagine that driving underneath a parked aircraft is acceptable practice anywhere.

It's still that way at the US airport I worked at. Couldn't drive under ANY part of the aircraft!
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:49 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
Overall, the security at US Airports is less than what is mandatory in Europe and many asian countries. The stowaway on the HA airliner at SJO was another Occasion which could not have happened here.

Before you get a holier than thou attitude there buddy may I remind you of this little incident:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...amond-heist-was-cash-not-gems.html

Grant it, it's not a stow away but it is one heck of a security breach that I would think would have caused a lot more commotion for security to notice than a stow away jumping the fence.

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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:06 pm

Watching this video several times, while some errors were made (outside of the collision itself), it appears to be above board. The operator of the truck appears to hit the accelerator rather than the brake. Once the collision occurs another individual enters the truck and backs it away from the aircraft presumably to inspect for damage. While this shouldn't have happened people tend to do some stupid things in the heat of battle. I would guess that shortly after the collision the operator was sent to have a screening and likely removed from his job either through termination or reassignment depending on what the CBA stipulates. The others involved would also likely be disciplined as they moved the truck after the collision.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:20 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
Random drug and alcohol tests should be mandatory as well, at access Points

I can't think of any sort of breathalyzer or urinalysis screening that can detect idiocy.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:25 pm

Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 15):
I'll admit to have limited experience, but when I was trained in airside driving as a contractor on a military airfield, we were specifically trained to NEVER, EVER drive any vehicle underneath an aircraft. Period. I can't imagine that driving underneath a parked aircraft is acceptable practice anywhere.
Quoting copter808 (Reply 16):
t's still that way at the US airport I worked at. Couldn't drive under ANY part of the aircraft!

Makes perfect sense. If this was a tug car, maybe i'd have a little mercy, but it's common sense (I think anyway) to NEVER drive under an aircraft.

This may have scraped the belly of a 747 even?
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:26 pm

Quoting n53614 (Reply 19):
I can't think of any sort of breathalyzer or urinalysis screening that can detect idiocy.

I'm not sure there's a specific D/A panel to detect "cranial flatulence". However, if there were, there'd be many more job openings out there.
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:10 pm

UPS has very strict regulations for all its operations. Employees have been fired for much less. It would be safe to say that both men on the truck have seen their last day with the company; they will also be facing reckless driving charges or worse, if drugs or alcohol were involved. Not to mention reckless endangerment and obstruction of justice. Some lawyers will not have to worry about their next boat payment.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:04 am

Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 9):
. And the truck should not have been moved unless it was creating bodily harm.

Exactly, that's why I think they may have been attempting to cover this up by driving the truck away before anyone notices the damage to the Aircraft. Believe me this aircraft will have suffered significant damage.


Don't think he was trying to drive under it, just braked too late or hit the gas by accident !
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:15 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):
Believe me this aircraft will have suffered significant damage.

If nothing apparent, would they perform some kind of ultrasound tests on the fuselage to detect any stress or micro cracks on the structure?
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:29 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 13):

That reminded me of this video I saw on youtube once.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IAqKdX3rXi4

None of those vehicles are hitting the bridge.

They are hitting a giant steel guard beam a few feet in front of the bridge.

http://cdn.theatlanticcities.com/img...truck_crash_accident_1/largest.JPG
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:02 am

Quoting copter808 (Reply 16):
It's still that way at the US airport I worked at. Couldn't drive under ANY part of the aircraft!

When I worked the ramp at a fairly large US airport, two airlines I worked for let us drive under the aircraft and under the wing, but it was only with tugs, and only with empty dollies. The airlines' upper management had several meetings about it, after which we got the go ahead to allow us to drive under the aircraft. In ~6 years I worked there, we never had an accident because of it. Most other airlines let us not do it though.

Quoting cipango (Reply 20):
This may have scraped the belly of a 747 even?

747's belly is about 5.5" to 7" off the ground, depending on weight. It would have definitely hit.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 24):
If nothing apparent, would they perform some kind of ultrasound tests on the fuselage to detect any stress or micro cracks on the structure?

Oh this will be very, very apparent. Most likely a lot of stringers, bulkheads and skin sheets will be replaced.
 
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Fri May 02, 2014 2:04 pm

The video has been removed apparently, is it available elsewhere ?

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 25):
None of those vehicles are hitting the bridge.

They are hitting a giant steel guard beam a few feet in front of the bridge.

http://cdn.theatlanticcities.com/img...t.JPG

Still funny to watch, though !
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Fri May 02, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
Both people who drove that truck need to be subject to drug and alcohol testing at the very least...

Count on it. It's pretty standard practice after an incident. generally, anyone involved has to. A few years back, some jerk broke my arm with a fuel hydrant. Long story. Even though it was something that happened to me, I had to pee in a cup.

Quoting cipango (Reply 20):

This may have scraped the belly of a 747 even?

Oh yeah. The 747 is about equal in ground height and in fact lower in some places. This would happen with that. Unless you are fueling a plane, there's never a good reason to drive under one on the ramp.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 24):

If nothing apparent, would they perform some kind of ultrasound tests on the fuselage to detect any stress or micro cracks on the structure?

I would be astounded if an NDI was not somehow required.

Aesma, same here! Here you go.


http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2014/...-slams-into-ups-cargo-plane-video/

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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Fri May 02, 2014 2:35 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 27):
The video has been removed apparently, is it available elsewhere ?

A quick Google search gave me a few links.

I like how the driver walks away, like the coolest of cats, barely looking back and likely thinking: "Oh well, time to find a new job again"...

Fortunately he was stupid enough to make the accident obvious as well as caught on video.
Idiots like him who do much more subtle and discrete but still potentially dangerous damage to aircraft and then try to hide it up and walk away scare the living hell out of me.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Fri May 02, 2014 3:08 pm

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 28):
Oh yeah. The 747 is about equal in ground height and in fact lower in some places. This would happen with that. Unless you are fueling a plane, there's never a good reason to drive under one on the ramp.

Even that is not really a good reason, especially where they attempted to drive.
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Fri May 02, 2014 3:21 pm

I didn't think we were talking about that kind of truck, that is obviously too tall to fit under any plane ! I understand better the comments about drug/alcohol testing !

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 28):
I would be astounded if an NDI was not somehow required.

Aesma, same here! Here you go.

http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2014/...ideo/

Thanks !
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Fri May 02, 2014 4:18 pm

The video seems to have been removed, here's another link;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8YiPwa_fM0

I agree with everyone else- this is indeed very shocking and surprising. How dare they commit such damage to the iron horse!
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RE: Truck Meets UPS 757

Fri May 02, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 29):
A quick Google search gave me a few links.

I like how the driver walks away, like the coolest of cats, barely looking back and likely thinking: "Oh well, time to find a new job again"...

Fortunately he was stupid enough to make the accident obvious as well as caught on video.
Idiots like him who do much more subtle and discrete but still potentially dangerous damage to aircraft and then try to hide it up and walk away scare the living hell out of me.

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"She did not have a license to drive on the airport property. Her supervisor was in the passenger seat and switched seat so he could take the blame and save her job. Obviously it did not work! "
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Fri May 02, 2014 8:17 pm

Quoting fxra (Reply 33):
"She did not have a license to drive on the airport property. Her supervisor was in the passenger seat and switched seat so he could take the blame and save her job. Obviously it did not work! "

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