apollo13
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The Safest Aircraft There Is

Mon Nov 06, 2000 3:32 am

Do any of you know what the safest air craft there is if so post it here. I myself think its the 737.


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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Mon Nov 06, 2000 3:51 am

A330
 
DeltaAir
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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Mon Nov 06, 2000 4:07 am

The L-1011. Statistics may not agree, but I cannot think of an aircraft that I am more comfortable flying in, espically since it is 25-30 years old. Only 1 or 2 of the 7 incidents have been caused by the aircraft itself failing.
 
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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Mon Nov 06, 2000 4:17 am

The safest aircraft would be one parked in the middle of an unused apron, tied down with no power and a fence around it.

In all seriousness, this is not a topic where you can give a specific answer and say "That is the safest airplane for sure!". We have had many discussions (including one other simulanteous one right now) on this topic. There are certain airplanes that have a very low rate of accidents namely the DC9/MD80/90,737,727,A320,757,767,SAAB 340 etc. The Il-86 also has a good case having over 100 aircraft flying for over 20 years with no accidents yet.
There are others that are not as good, being the A310,747,DC10,MD11. But the numbers for these a/c are still very low.

Future_pilot, please justify your choice of the A330. I would love to see some numbers.
 
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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Mon Nov 06, 2000 4:26 am

I think the safest aircraft flying is the B747-400. This aircraft flew its first revenue service in 1989 and has since only had two (including the October31 tragedy)accidents involving casualties ;both due to pilot error! Today over 500 B747-400s are flying.
In terms of revenue passenger kilometres (RPK) the aircraft must be the safeest since the flights are long haul with over 400 passengers at times. I personnaly think there isn't any other aircraft with so many cycles (over ten years of operation) and so few incidents.
Concerning the B737 I would rule it out. The aircraft has had a few incidents (with casualties) involving the rudder. The FAA has been looking closely at this for a few years.
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RE: SAA-SAL

Mon Nov 06, 2000 4:37 am

The 747 has a much higher accident rate than the 737 despite the rudder problems and investigation. Don't forget that the short-haul a/c go through 6,7,8,9 or more flights per day while the cushy 744s only fly one or two segments. Very rarely do accidents occur in the cruise phase, almost always on the takeoff, approach or landing.
 
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RE: Safest?===oldest!

Mon Nov 06, 2000 8:40 am

Narrow body= B727s
Wide body = L1011-Tristar.
Any objections??
 
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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Mon Nov 06, 2000 8:58 am

I would think that the two safest aircraft would be the A330 and the A340. Only one of each has been lost. The A340 in a ground fire, and the A330 during a test flight. Only about 7 people have been killed by the A330, and none by the A340. The 777 is also among the safest out there.
 
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RE: Safest?===oldest!

Mon Nov 06, 2000 9:45 am

Yes, I have objections to both choices. You never gave any reasons.
 
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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Mon Nov 06, 2000 9:53 am

The safest aircraft is any aircraft type which is maintained properly and operated by well trained crews who know what they are doing, and who fly only between destinations where ATC and security check is first class. And then the airline company should not be a flag carrier of a country at war including civil wars.
If we want to find exceptions from this rule, then we must dig out things like the Comet 1 fifty years ago, L-188 forty years ago and DC-10 thirty years ago. Maybe we can add the Concorde until it gets a sufficient FOD shielding of the lower wing surface.
Best regards, Preben Norholm
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That's It!

Mon Nov 06, 2000 1:27 pm

Here I was, fixin' to (Texas-speak for "preparing to") craft a long-winded post challenging some of the conclusory and inaccurate responses to this thread, when Preben popped up and...

...said it all.

Thanks.
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RE:(CPDC10-30) That's It!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:07 am

The types I have mentioned are well proven to be very stableand safe airplanes given the right maintenance
work.
Regards,
Advancedkid.
 
ap305
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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:37 am

The Lockheed L-1011 is widley regarded as the
safest commercial aircraft ever built.I have no
idea about the statistics regarding it saftey but the
people involved with it through it's almost 30 years
of commercial service regard it as not only the safest
but also as the best aircraft ever built.I read in a
book(forgot the name)that even rival company executives acknowledged that the late Dan Haughton
achieved his goal of building the greatest airplane of all time.
 
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RE: The Safest Aircraft There Is

Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:50 am

Definitely not the 737.

The B777 that seems very safe so far is still too new to be compared with well-established aircraft. It has had several incidents with engine trouble recently though.

The B747-400 is extremely safe when you see how many are around and how long they serve the airlines in a brilliant way. Not a single one has been lost due to technical reasons. The 3 lost would have also been lost if they would have been B777s or any other type.

The A340 has a remarkable career, being apparantly a bit safer than sister A330 (one A330 crashed, not completely without technical reasons).