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AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 7:46 am

I noticed that on routes such as ORD-MIA American uses (on most flights) their 737-800s, while UA is still dragging its 727s across the country. Where-ever AA has its ERJ-135s and 145s, UA is using the tiny Beech 1900, and EMB-120. I am talking about ORD, their double hub, where AA appears to be placing its best planes, unlike UA. Is there a reason, wand how soon do you think passengers will notice AA having the new plane, and UA having the old one. The oldst AA plane at ORD is the MD-80, no more then 20 years old, which UA has 727-200s, 737-200s, 747-200s, etc... also, AA is using ALL RJs at ORD, while UA is about 50% turboprop and 50% RJ.

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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 7:59 am

AA still has over 60 727-200s in service. UA's 747-200s will soon all be retired from service. I am not sure about the status of their 737-200 fleet.
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 8:01 am

UAL plans to keep the 732s in service for awhile now.  

Its too bad that the awesome UAL 742s will be gone soon.      
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 8:12 am

I know about the AA 727s, but I am mainly talking about ORD, where AA has no 727s. All of those are at MIA and DFW.

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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 9:10 am

I agree with you!

This is very interesting strategy on AA's part. I think they are trying to keep all of UA's customers that came over to them during the strike this summer.

AA is very adimatley trying to deploy their BEST product and service out at ORD. This will let them take and keep as many of UAs customers as possible.

And the interesting part is...... i think it's working.

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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 11:07 am

I strongly disagree with you. UA fly a lot of A320s, A319s and 757s from ORD. Not to mention that UA has many more widebodies flights from ORd on domestic flights than AA. Also UA has inflight audio entertainment on all aircraft except 737-200 of which UA only has 24. AA has no audio in any of their 727s or their close to 300 M80s. The Beech 1900s are UAX so don't count those as United Airlines aircraft. As mentioned by CX747, AA has almost as many 727s as UA. The777Man
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 11:10 am

Also, Chicago is United's #1 hub, so they would have all of their aircraft there as all of them end up in Chicago in some form going to other places. Dallas is AA's hub.
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 12:09 pm

Interesting tactics by AA. I know that they have been losing ground at ORD for some time now, and I guess they are trying everything to gain it back.
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 12:12 pm

This is sort of silly. United flies so many different aircraft types into and out of ORD. Besides, AA
just went all 777 on its ORD-LHR route, while UA
has been flying all 777's to LHR for a few years
now. In fact, all of its flights to Europe from
ORD are on the 777 or 767-300 while AA still
flies some 767-200's, which are awful (not
AA's but that plane in general).

American has over 60 727's still in service.

I doubt either airline is using its fleet to win
customers at ORD. They use the aircraft that
are best suited to a route for the airline. That
is the core of airline economics. Airlines really
don't care if you like a DC10 and would want
to fly one from ORD to MIA instead of a 727.

As for the comment about AA's 737's to MIA
the reason for that is simple enough. AA has
a lot of flights to the Caribbean and Latin
America from MIA and the airline is using this
plane now on many routes to the region.
They operate as transcons first, then fly off
to Latin America (Central America, Northern
Latin America, and the Caribbean.)

RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 12:12 pm

Interesting observation. I chose UA as my carrier of choice because of the fleet differences. AA has very little domestic widebody service out of ORD. When traveling to SFO or LAX, I'd rather be on a 747, 767 or 777 than a 737. In the Midwest, where I do the bulk of business travel, until recently, you were stuck on an ATR to most destinations where UA flew full size jets. I've flown DC 10s to Detroit and Cleveland and 767s to Indianapolis. Talk about space... There is at least some form of inflight entertanment on most UA jets but very few of the AA planes seem to offer anything. The only positive I see with AA's fleet is that the MD-80s have only one middle seat.

My guess is that United's current problems have more to do with AA's increase in market share at ORD than fleet considerations. I've considered switching but consider AA's fleet a negative.
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 12:32 pm

If you want to compare aircraft size useage, UA and AA loose out, DL wins.   Pretty much everywhere on comparable routes, Delta has much bigger aircraft. Such as DEN-SLC. DL's SLC hub is tiny compared to UA's DEN but UA uses (largest) 737-300 (Shuttle) while Delta uses up to 767-300 on the route, with just as many flights.
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 1:32 pm

Flyf15: I totally Agree, UA and AA were flying 727s and MD-80s on ORD-SLC while i flew Delta and it was a 767-200 and a 757-200.

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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 1:33 pm

AA still sucks. Cuz, there is no IFE in more than half of their planes. I'll take UA over AA anyday.
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 1:52 pm

AA has put a lot of emphasis on being all jet at ORD.Running tv and radio advertisements to promote it.And I can not count how many passengers I have spoken to who say they will never fly United again because of the cancelled flights over the summer. A lot of which were the sames ones who said the same thing about AA back in 99 during the AA pilot sick out.When the 738 was introduced on the ORD-MIA run it started with 2 now there are 5 on a route prodominately dominated by the MD-80.United does win the battle as far as wide body service out of ORD of course,just to compare AA has about 500 AA and AE flights a day out of ORD that handled about 11 million pax last year MIA had 275 flights but handled roughly 19 million pax last year.The difference using wide bodies from 2 different type of hubs for AA.
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RE: AA Above UA (fleet-wise)

Mon Nov 06, 2000 2:31 pm

It might suck that AA might not have ife on some flts. but at least they're taking off. Or would you rather watch a 30minute comedy sitting at a gate and not go anywhere? UA handled this summer's fiasco horribly. I work for AA, and I'll tell you we gained many loyal UA pax, that will keep coming back to AA. We're working harder than ever to be #1. The silverbird rules!

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