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AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:45 pm

The first 4 777-200s will go into the hangar in October to be reconfigured. The original plan was to have 45 business class seats, the company had decided to further reduce this number to 37 (36 for sale). MCE will be reduced to 36 and the balance will be 209 regular economy seats for a total of 282.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:22 pm

Interesting....thanks for the update. Now it will be similar to Delta's recently reconfigured 777s: 37J + 36 Econ Comfort + 218Y = 291 seats total.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:46 pm

AA want to act strong in terms of superior J class, but you don't want to hobble your CASM permanently. A few more Y seats will help the whole airline over decades. It sounds like DL has 1 more row of Y. Thinking across 50 airplanes and 15 years, the AA 777 refurbishment is a huge important project.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:47 pm

I'm curious I assume the two seats not for sale are for Tech crew rest - Does this impact the sector length these aircraft can be sent on? Or is it a simpler and cheaper way of not carrying the weight around of a proper tech crew rest facility? Strange question but what if there is a crying baby in J? This would impact the crew rest, or is passenger noise and disturbance an assessed risk?

Do these seats have curtains around them like cabin crew rest seats in Economy?
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:59 pm

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 3):
I'm curious I assume the two seats not for sale are for Tech crew rest - Does this impact the sector length these aircraft can be sent on? Or is it a simpler and cheaper way of not carrying the weight around of a proper tech crew rest facility? Strange question but what if there is a crying baby in J? This would impact the crew rest, or is passenger noise and disturbance an assessed risk?

Do these seats have curtains around them like cabin crew rest seats in Economy?

Its only one on the new configuration which will be 1-2-1 in J. The 777 200s of AA never had a separate "crew rest area" like the 777W. It does have bunks, but there is no where to eat or sit in a seat, just a buck. I guess the cost of retrofitting it would be prohibitive. Perhaps is AA gets anymore -200s (which I doubt) they can be ordered with a proper rest area.

What will drive a crew rest seat to be blocked is anything over 8hrs IIRC.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:00 pm

Wow, from 45 to 37. That's a large drop in premium capacity once again. . . I believe AA 777s only have 37 seats in their J class now. So this is basically like taking out F capacity and not replacing any of it...I would think 41 would have been a happier medium so they could replace a bit of that lost F cabin.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
The first 4 777-200s will go into the hangar in October to be reconfigured.

Bloody hell. First they said winter 2014 then August and now it is October...This refurbishment is going to take forever.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:03 pm

It explains why AA's plan to put updated 772 on DFW-SCL from this month has been deferred.

I'm afraid it "may" mean that previously planned several 3-3-3 seats of economy class (not MCE) at the middle section on updated 772 will no longer there. All Y "may" be now fair in size with 3-4-3 seating. Just my guess.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:04 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 5):
First they said winter 2014 then August and now it is October...This refurbishment is going to take forever.

It was pushed back as the configuration was being re-evaluated. Don't think it will take that long as they will due 4 at a time, starting in Oct...Other changes will also be, no walk up snack bar as originally planned. The 777W has it but I would guess if the -200 won't get it the -300 will eventually lose it.

Nothing said, but if I was a betting man I would bet that the 777W will eventually lose F as well
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:12 pm

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 6):

I'm afraid it "may" mean that previously planned several 3-3-3 seats of economy class (not MCE) at the middle section on updated 772 will no longer there. All Y "may" be now fair in size with 3-4-3 seating. Just my guess.

I think 3-3-3 MCE will stay for now, but it's still a massive reduction from 85 MCE seats and aligning with their 77W practice

The only good thing is that CASM will see a good 10% reduction.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:17 pm

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 6):
I'm afraid it "may" mean that previously planned several 3-3-3 seats of economy class (not MCE) at the middle section on updated 772 will no longer there. All Y "may" be now fair in size with 3-4-3 seating. Just my guess

I think it will remain as 3-3-3 in all of Y as the number of MCE+Y seats is similar to Delta's 777s, which remain at 3-3-3 throughout Y.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:22 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 8):
I think 3-3-3 MCE will stay for now, but it's still a massive reduction from 85 MCE seats and aligning with their 77W practice
Quoting panamair (Reply 9):
I think it will remain as 3-3-3 in all of Y as the number of MCE+Y seats is similar to Delta's 777s, which remain at 3-3-3 throughout Y.

No, what I'm afraid is that in this initial plan:

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...ican_Airlines_Boeing_777-200_B.php

which were uploaded on DFW-SCL route, it has 4 rows of blessed 3-3-3 Y and all others are 3-4-3. It made sense when they had only 4 rows of Y, but now with 8-9 rows of Y in the same section, AA may put all of them as 3-4-3. MCE will stay 3-3-3.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:29 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 7):
Other changes will also be, no walk up snack bar as originally planned.

Why? It uses space that is otherwise unused; it's not like it takes up seat space.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:32 pm

This is a huge blessing for AA's Asia network.

AA's routes to China as well as DFW-ICN are in dire need of a less premium, higher capacity, plane that can make these routes profitable (or at least lose less money). The crowne jewel of AA's Asia network, DFW-NRT, will eventually go to a 77W. Also, the 77W I think will show to be too large for DFW-HKG. A 77L would have been ideal, but since those are not in AA's future, I think a 789 should do the trick.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:33 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 5):
Wow, from 45 to 37. That's a large drop in premium capacity once again. . . I believe AA 777s only have 37 seats in their J class now. So this is basically like taking out F capacity and not replacing any of it...I would think 41 would have been a happier medium so they could replace a bit of that lost F cabin.

Makes one wonder if 16 was the number of upgrades on average per flight. (16 F and 37J is the current configuration.)

International upgrades are going to get more and more scarce. That may be a good thing overall.

[Edited 2014-06-13 10:36:24]
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:50 pm

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 3):

I'm curious I assume the two seats not for sale are for Tech crew rest - Does this impact the sector length these aircraft can be sent on? Or is it a simpler and cheaper way of not carrying the weight around of a proper tech crew rest facility? Strange question but what if there is a crying baby in J? This would impact the crew rest, or is passenger noise and disturbance an assessed risk?

I'm not entirely sure, but I would imagine AA also has proper bunk facilities for their pilot rest. The seats have to be blocked on longer flights to give the resting pilot a place to eat and relax, if they don't want to sleep. On flights where a 3rd or 4th pilot isn't required, such as flights less than 8 hours, they can sell the seats. And absolutely cabin noise affects the rest of that pilot.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
The crowne jewel of AA's Asia network, DFW-NRT

I thought that honor went to DFW-HKG .
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:19 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
I thought that honor went to DFW-HKG .

By plane type, yes. But DFW-NRT is proven profitable route for decades while DFW-HKG is a brand new unknown entity.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:25 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 14):
I'm not entirely sure, but I would imagine AA also has proper bunk facilities for their pilot rest.

That's correct, all flavors of the 777 in AA's fleet have a cockpit crew bunk room behind the cockpit.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:45 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 11):

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 7):
Other changes will also be, no walk up snack bar as originally planned.

Why? It uses space that is otherwise unused; it's not like it takes up seat space.

That is unfortunate. The 772s were supposed to be identical to the 77Ws in J and Y in every aspect of the plane. Including the bar, mood lighting, bulkhead and floor coverings, lavs... They have also eliminated the new first class glass ware and place-mats that were introduced last year.

I've heard from quite a few friends at HDQ that AA is becoming USAirways and these changes only seem to confirm that. I suspect F on the 77W and A321T is not long for this world.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:01 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 16):
By plane type, yes. But DFW-NRT is proven profitable route for decades while DFW-HKG is a brand new unknown entity.

Yes sir, thats exactly what I was referencing.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that its AA's only consistantly profitable route. That said, I think the newly configured 777 will do wonders for DFW-ICN and flights to China. This could be what AA needs to turn it around in Asia.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 18):
I've heard from quite a few friends at HDQ that AA is becoming USAirways and these changes only seem to confirm that. I suspect F on the 77W and A321T is not long for this world.

They'll keep F in A321T, but definitely scaled down. Today's config might lead to an oversupply.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:22 pm

Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 18):
That is unfortunate. The 772s were supposed to be identical to the 77Ws in J and Y in every aspect of the plane. Including the bar, mood lighting, bulkhead and floor coverings, lavs... They have also eliminated the new first class glass ware and place-mats that were introduced last year.

Welcome to the "Usairways effect" at the new AA. Making 777-300ER any les premuim is a mistake. Their routes to LHR, GRU, HKG and soon NRT need a the new J class.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:18 pm

I recall reading an investor analyst note that said AA was losing a KILLING on all of these premium-heavy routes and it was doing this to protect "network revenue". While people bash USAirways, they have had very IMPRESSIVE returns to the investors, which at the end of the day, is what counts. Scott Kirby knows how to make a buck, and their team will be making even more changes at AA. While we may chastise them, we don't know the true story as to how the books look.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:51 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 20):
They'll keep F in A321T, but definitely scaled down. Today's config might lead to an oversupply.

I love the doom and gloom over AA's F product on here. Transcon F's load factor is around 90%. It's not going anywhere.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:22 pm

Quoting ExL10Mktg (Reply 23):
Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 20):They'll keep F in A321T, but definitely scaled down. Today's config might lead to an oversupply.
I love the doom and gloom over AA's F product on here. Transcon F's load factor is around 90%. It's not going anywhere.

Those F seats can be replaced by 8-12 J seats and another 30-36 Y seats. That's a far more profitable configuration.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:44 pm

Quoting ExL10Mktg (Reply 23):

I don't track loading day in and day out, but whenever I search for awards, the calendar consistently shows saver F > saver J for the LAX transcon even though there are twice the number of seats in J

Maybe I'm just lucky
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:19 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 22):
I recall reading an investor analyst note that said AA was losing a KILLING on all of these premium-heavy routes and it was doing this to protect "network revenue". While people bash USAirways, they have had very IMPRESSIVE returns to the investors, which at the end of the day, is what counts. Scott Kirby knows how to make a buck, and their team will be making even more changes at AA. While we may chastise them, we don't know the true story as to how the books look.

In the future I think we will see the 77W only on NRT, GRU, and LHR. The other routes don't really need the F cabins.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:43 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 26):
In the future I think we will see the 77W only on NRT, GRU, and LHR. The other routes don't really need the F cabins.

I do agree with you on this, especially considering NRT = JL, GRU = JJ/TAM, LHR = BA partners.

However, HKG could be a potential high-yield market as well, and home to CX oneworld partner, of course
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:53 am

Quoting ExL10Mktg (Reply 23):
Transcon F's load factor is around 90%. It's not going anywhere.

Means nothing if bulk of that capacity is up fares and complimentary upgrades.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:09 am

Quoting flyingcaT (Reply 28):
Quoting ExL10Mktg (Reply 23):Transcon F's load factor is around 90%. It's not going anywhere.
Means nothing if bulk of that capacity is up fares and complimentary upgrades.

AA does not sell upfare 3-class F. It also does not allow complimentary upgrades unless a business fare was purchased and the traveler has SWUs to use (and who's going to waste those on J->F to JFK when it can be used to Hong Kong or London? Not many.)
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting ExL10Mktg (Reply 23):

If it's truly 90% then they should be adding even more seats since that's the LF range of "leaving money on the table"
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:48 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 29):
AA does not sell upfare 3-class F. It also does not allow complimentary upgrades unless a business fare was purchased and the traveler has SWUs to use (and who's going to waste those on J->F to JFK when it can be used to Hong Kong or London? Not many.)

I had always heard they don't upgrade from J to F. Thank you for confirming.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 7):
Other changes will also be, no walk up snack bar as originally planned.

I'm struggling to see why they would eliminate the walk up bar....
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:58 am

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 31):
I'm struggling to see why they would eliminate the walk up bar....

Added cost with no value or return on investment. Install a thin bulkhead wall in its place and add more seats.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:02 am

Mah4546 don't take what I'm about to say as an attack but I have a question regarding some recent opinions of yours regarding revenue and premium customers or the lack there off at DL compared to AA and UA. About a week or two ago you made statements that DL does not generate the same revenue and has enough premium customers compared to UA and AA and that was the reason for reducing the J class cabin on some of their 777 fleet. Just wanted to get your opinion on the matter now that AA is doing the same thing DL is? Do AA and DL feel they are giving away to many J class seats to upgrades and will try to limit inventory to push the prices up or is this a trend in the airlines that paid J class ridership if falling across the board?
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:04 am

A little background on what DL is doing and why AA may be doing the same thing.

http://upgrd.com/blogs/doublewidesfl...ness-elite-seats-on-b777-b767.html
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:31 am

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 32):

Did you see somewhere on Jetnet that they would remove the walk up bar? Unless i see an official report i remain skeptical. I'm not saying you're wrong but I have a hard time figuring out why they would remove it. That walk up bar is a big part of "The New American." Sure it doesn't draw revenue, but there are many pieces to a premium product that don't draw revenue but exist to boost the product. Mood lighting, Bose headsets, pajamas, etc. Also, the walk up bar doesn't take up enough room to add an extra row, so there wouldn't be any benefit but a little weight reduction. It would be a huge step backwards to start reducing the quality of their premium product.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:27 am

Maybe they are just trying to get the J seating more in line with the number of passenger who are prepared to pay for J.
Not good news for FFQ's but if it works great news for the shareholders.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:37 pm

I guess it doesn't matter which airline you fly on what is obvious is it is becoming more and more difficult for FF's to upgrade into the premium cabins on long haul flights whether it due to the airline removing premium seats in favor of more economy seats or the airline is changing the way customers earn and redeem miles one thing is for sure U.S. airlines are telling their most FF (in a indirect way) in the future if you want a premium seat on your next long haul trip you might want to buy the seat because your chances of using your upgrades are dwindling fast.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:46 pm

I don't know about AA, but with the NZ and QF walk up bars, they are more about the usage of bench space. Most of the space in the area is used for cart stowrages, or catering units. The bar is just the making ideal bench look mixes than a normal galley bench.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:52 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 24):
Those F seats can be replaced by 8-12 J seats and another 30-36 Y seats. That's a far more profitable configuration.

The A321 T serve the most special market in the AA system, why would USair mangers feel that having more y class seats fro JFK to LAX/SFO be better ? This is a premium market and the AA people that ordered these planes and configured them this way have decades of data to support those decisions. This is the hollywood and celebrity market. IF y class is so great lets just become an all y class airline.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:43 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 20):
They'll keep F in A321T, but definitely scaled down. Today's config might lead to an oversupply.

Let's remember that a lot of F seats are bought by banks/financial firms and movie studios/television networks/record labels for bigwigs and talent.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:08 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
the company had decided to further reduce this number to 37

Not asking you to reveal your source, but do you know for sure these are American's finalized plans? The reduction in C & Y+ seats would not surprise me and I expect the same to eventually be done to the 777-300.

Quoting panamair (Reply 1):
similar to Delta's recently reconfigured 777s: 37J 36 Econ Comfort 218Y = 291 seats total

With American going 10 across I am surprised Delta ends up having 9 more seats?
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:47 pm

This is going to be interesting on the MIA-LAX-MIA run where the 772 is used. Currently they sell it as F / J / Y. Just last week I flew on a purchased F ticket. How are they going to deal with not knowing whether an "F-less" plane will actually fly the route on any specific date between October and when the conversion program is complete?
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:47 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
The first 4 777-200s will go into the hangar in October to be reconfigured. The original plan was to have 45 business class seats, the company had decided to further reduce this number to 37 (36 for sale). MCE will be reduced to 36 and the balance will be 209 regular economy seats for a total of 282.
Quoting panamair (Reply 1):
Interesting....thanks for the update. Now it will be similar to Delta's recently reconfigured 777s: 37J + 36 Econ Comfort + 218Y = 291 seats total.

How can DL configure the aircraft with more seats given similar J and Y+ when DL has 3-3-3 Y and AA has 3-4-3 Y. It would seem AA could stuff more seats in.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:48 pm

RE reduction in J and Y+, are DL and AA selling less premium seats or has the strategy of providing upgrades to elites changed?
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting questions (Reply 43):
How can DL configure the aircraft with more seats given similar J and Y+ when DL has 3-3-3 Y and AA has 3-4-3 Y. It would seem AA could stuff more seats in.

Could be because AA is keeping the flight attendants rest "room" with the bunks in the middle of the cabin just in front of door 3?
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 10):
which were uploaded on DFW-SCL route, it has 4 rows of blessed 3-3-3 Y and all others are 3-4-3. It made sense when they had only 4 rows of Y, but now with 8-9 rows of Y in the same section, AA may put all of them as 3-4-3. MCE will stay 3-3-3.

I hope they do. They were selling the 3-3-3 rows as Preferred Seats with standard legroom, but they were also selling the seats in the forward portion of the 3-4-3 section as Preferred Seats, so shelling out for Preferred Seat may get you a wider seat... or not. Then they were selling the exit row in the 3-4-3 section as Main Cabin Extra, so Main Cabin Extra may get you a wider seat... or not.

As an agent, I would've hated the inconsistency. Much better to have a few rows of MCE in 3-3-3, a bulkhead, and then the rest of the cabin in 3-4-3 like on the 77W.

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 35):
Did you see somewhere on Jetnet that they would remove the walk up bar? Unless i see an official report i remain skeptical. I'm not saying you're wrong but I have a hard time figuring out why they would remove it. That walk up bar is a big part of "The New American." Sure it doesn't draw revenue, but there are many pieces to a premium product that don't draw revenue but exist to boost the product. Mood lighting, Bose headsets, pajamas, etc. Also, the walk up bar doesn't take up enough room to add an extra row, so there wouldn't be any benefit but a little weight reduction. It would be a huge step backwards to start reducing the quality of their premium product.

   I'm surprised that AA would be taking a step backward by eliminating these perks. Doug Parker is not an idiot; US Airways was never premium-heavy because it just wasn't that kind of airline and they couldn't hope to attract those customers with their comparatively weak network and service standards. He doesn't strike me as the type of person who would squander the potential AA has and send high-value fliers to DL and UA.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:53 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 35):
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They reviewed this past week at the ALC conference in Dallas.
 
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:20 am

Wow, 4 aircraft will go into mods in October? I'm surprised they have this amount of slack in the fleet. But then again, October is a slow month. I'm interested to read any articles relates to this modification of the seating arrangement.
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RE: AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class

Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:12 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 42):
This is going to be interesting on the MIA-LAX-MIA run where the 772 is used. Currently they sell it as F / J / Y. Just last week I flew on a purchased F ticket. How are they going to deal with not knowing whether an "F-less" plane will actually fly the route on any specific date between October and when the conversion program is complete?

Aircraft schedulers will know what aircraft have been converted and what aircraft have not. When the conversions first start AA will limit the routes that these planes fly on it will be no different than any other type of conversion. The aircraft will fly dedicated routes in the beginning and substitutes will only be may in emergency situations when the only other option available is canceling the trip. And more than likely AA would never sub an old configuration 777 with a new configuration it would be the other way around if the new configuration 777 is out of service they would place an old configuration in its place. And it would stay like that until they probably get down to the last 6-10 777's then AA might have to replace a reconfigured 777 with an older model. But once they get down to the last few models I'm sure AA would no longer sell the seats as first class they would all be considered business class and sold as such but FF with hight status would have access to the first class seat. It is sort of the same thing UA did with our P.S. service once we were half way thru the reconfiguration UA stop selling first class seats and everything was sold as business class but GS and 1K passengers were able to still choose a seat in first class until first class was no more and P.S. was only business class and coach.

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