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New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:17 pm

An all-business class service will be operated on behalf of Azerbaijan Airlines (J2) by Silkway Airlines (ZP) from Baku to Geneva and return every Friday and Sunday using a Boeing 727-251. The outbound times are 0955 - 1155; return flight gets into GYD at 1900 (sorry I do not have the departure time from GVA but I would estimate around 1330). Inaugural flight is Friday July 11. They operated scheduled a few years ago from GYD to DXB with this bird and it didn't last incredibly long so I wouldn't wait too long to book this. Fare is about €650 one way (remember it is business class) and it is showing up in GDS systems as bookable.

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(Btw don't be too misled by the sofa, most of the interior is normal business class four abreast seating, the sofa is just part of a lounge area at the front.)

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I am sure other contributors will know more but I thought it was time to get the ball rolling on this development.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:12 pm

Hmmmm, I wonder if they want a part time pilot   

Probably won't last long but it would be cool to hitch a ride for anyone wanting to get a ride on a 727 before they are gone gone.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:26 pm

The only dilemma here is, do I fly this on a special trip, or do I hope it will still be operating in early September and use is on a LHR-GVA-GYD-PEK route.

How long did they fly the Aberdeen route for before they canned it?


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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:09 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
How long did they fly the Aberdeen route for before they canned it?

18 months.

Average loads were about 50 pax on an A319/320 and they used bilateral issues as the excuse for dropping the route!
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:49 pm

This is the only Northwest Airlines 727-251 that is still flying. All the others have been scrapped as they all had manual cabin pressurization. Most of the 727-200s built had automatic cabin pressurization. Northwest opted to keep the manual pressurization , which was used on their 727-100s. Donald Nyrop wanted all aircraft types to have the same cockpit configuration to simplify the cockpits for the the flight crews that flew the aircraft. No guessing as to where what was, just reach and it was there. Four used 727-200s that Northwest bought when Braniff went under did have the automatic pressurization as did the 727-200s that Northwest acquired when they merged with Republic Airlines.   
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:44 am

I thought the B727 (among other types) had been banned from operating scheduled services to Europe for several years under current noise regulations, even if hushkitted.


Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
The outbound times are 0955 - 1155; return flight gets into GYD at 1900 (sorry I do not have the departure time from GVA but I would estimate around 1330).

Their press release shows:

GYD 0755 GVA 0955
GVA 1115 GYD 1855

http://www.azal.az/en/about/news/ite...geneva-first-time-on-business-jets

If GVA arrival time was 1155 and departure around 1330, there's no way it could arrive GYD at 1900 considering the distance (1,929 nm) and 3-hour time difference. The schedule in the press release shows westbound block time 5:00 hrs and eastbound 4:40.

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:29 am

Interestingly enough, they're also selling F. I wonder what the difference between F and J is?! Sadly the schedule, price, and getting a Azerbaijani visa are all prohibitive of actually flying it!
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:46 am

They couldn't find any other plane to operate? No newer generation 737s or 320s on the market? I love the look of the 727, but really those beasts are old school - and noisy.
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:18 am

Still the sexiest beast going! The shape of the tail, engines and nacelles is simply a work of art 
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:13 am

I think this is great. After 9/11 in the U.S., it seemed that the 722 disappeared from our skies practically overnight and many of us did not get to get our last rides in. Long live the 727!
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:34 am

Excellent news. Good to see the old three holer still doing what she was made to do - haul passengers.

That aircraft looks brand new. The age shows only in the cockpit  
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:52 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 9):






I think this is great. After 9/11 in the U.S., it seemed that the 722 disappeared from our skies practically overnight and many of us did not get to get our last rides in. Long live the 727!

That's practically what happened. UA retired theirs a month and a half after 9/11, all 75. They were originally going to be retired by 2003 or so. AA retired theirs in 2002, DL and NW in 2003, a few years before they were originally supposed to go.
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:45 am

If this service started earlier, I'd be bankrupt by now.

If it's still goin' in winter, it might still bankrupt me!

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
They couldn't find any other plane to operate? No newer generation 737s or 320s on the market? I love the look of the 727, but really those beasts are old school - and noisy.

Your a.net membership has been revoked.

[Edited 2014-06-23 01:48:36]

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:04 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I thought the B727 (among other types) had been banned from operating scheduled services to Europe for several years under current noise regulations, even if hushkitted.

Afaik you can still fly Stage II Aircrafts to Europe, just not to all airports at all times and the 727 can be made into a Stage III aircraft (Super 27 modification for example).

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:42 am

Threads like this is a reminder as to why I still come to Airliners.net.
This is great news!   
I am going to have to plan a trip!
Now I have an extra excuse to visit Baku - aside from a fmr. neighbor's invitation that now lives in Baku.
The last time I was in Geneva was in 1975 and it was on a SAS DC-9. I was only 2 years old so I can't describe the details of the flight.
Hopefully Iran Air comes back to BKK with their 747SP so I can piece together a classic airliners trip to Europe.
Are there any classic airliners or Soviet/Russian types going between Tehran an Baku?

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
the sofa is just part of a lounge area at the front.)

That's still really frikkin' cool!      
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 12):
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
They couldn't find any other plane to operate? No newer generation 737s or 320s on the market? I love the look of the 727, but really those beasts are old school - and noisy.

Your a.net membership has been revoked.

  
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:48 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Anyone that complains about the magnificent sound of a Pratt & Whitney JT8D can't call themselves an aviation enthusiast.

to be fair, if you are standing right in front of it during start up, those JT8D are plain painful, even with some distance. From the sides its like an old big block V8...... too loud, but oh that sound....

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:53 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 15):
to be fair, if you are standing right in front of it during start up, those JT8D are plain painful, even with some distance.

That's why ramp rats ware earmuffs.
As a passenger, I love that sound from the inside, even sitting in the back rows.

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 15):
From the sides its like an old big block V8...... too loud, but oh that sound....

Big block V8s is all I know.  
Those aren't that loud. I find these little Hondas with modified exhaust to be MUCH noisier an irritating than an old V8 big block.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:48 am

I phoned AZAL in my lunchbreak, it is bookable through the airline direct. One way is £613, and I also got a quote to go GVA-GYD-IST (same night connection) which works out at £1026 all J class, and GVA-GYD-PEK (same night connection) which works out at £1242 all J class with the second leg (to China) on the rare Airbus A340-500 and a real bargain I think.

It's a new product, the guy I spoke to didn't know about it til my call, but it's in their system and can be booked now. Hasn't been rolled out to the likes of Expedia yet.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Threads like this is a reminder as to why I still come to Airliners.net.

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
Originally delivered to Northwest in January 1981

So a 33 year old frame? About how much longer will this frame be useful before it has to be scrapped? That age somewhat frightens me, but I am definitely not a mechanic and am naive on this topic.
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:42 pm

Now someone should figure out what the difference between F and J is!!!  

I'm planning. Never flown on a 727. Crazy in my schedule but you never know - maybe it'll fit.

I have decided that Friday in and Sunday out is the best way, and also you can see a bit of GYD.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
They couldn't find any other plane to operate? No newer generation 737s or 320s on the market? I love the look of the 727, but really those beasts are old school - and noisy.

Ugh!!!


Ugh again!!!

Quoting Dallas (Reply 18):
So a 33 year old frame? About how much longer will this frame be useful before it has to be scrapped? That age somewhat frightens me, but I am definitely not a mechanic and am naive on this topic.

I fly a 1970 727 around, it's built like a tank and has the best hand flying characteristics of the ones in the fleet, I'd gladly take a 33 year old one that's never been a beat up freighter at 10 different fly by night companies in it's life. You're good to go!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
As a passenger, I love that sound from the inside, even sitting in the back rows.

It's hard to hear them in the cockpit but when I throw that window open on taxi and can hear the JT8D sound, oh man, it's awesome.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting tb727 (Reply 20):
I fly a 1970 727 around, it's built like a tank and has the best hand flying characteristics of the ones in the fleet, I'd gladly take a 33 year old one that's never been a beat up freighter at 10 different fly by night companies in it's life. You're good to go!
Quoting tb727 (Reply 20):
It's hard to hear them in the cockpit but when I throw that window open on taxi and can hear the JT8D sound, oh man, it's awesome.

Glad to hear there are still some older generation pilots left at A.net that appreciates these magnificent jets.
My last 727 flight was on Mexican from Cancun to Mexico City in 2001. My seat was in the front but I spent a lot of time at the rear lavatories just to hear the sound of those engines.
We had the water canon salute with military as we pushed back from Cancun. The pilot flew that 727 like a fighter pilot with lots of steep banks and full throttle takeoff. It was manually flown throughout the flight. As we exit the aircraft in Mexico City, the captain had a fiesta waiting for him the terminal - complete with champagne an party goers. He was retiring. It was his last flight.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:13 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 13):

Afaik you can still fly Stage II Aircrafts to Europe, just not to all airports at all times and the 727 can be made into a Stage III aircraft (Super 27 modification for example).

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As far as I know, you cannot. Stage II does not exist in Europe and is referred to Chapter II. Stage II and Stage III are FAA/DOT terms, where Europe uses Chapter II and Chapter III. From what I recall, all Chapter II passenger carrying airliners (meaning non military/Head of State) are now banned at all European Airports (as they are in the U.S.) and have been for the past few years. That is what killed off the TU-154B2 and IL-86 in Europe as these were Chapter II types along with BAC-111's and a few others. Not to be too technical, there is no such word as "aircrafts", but it is frequently used on this forum. I realize English may not be your native language, but I thought i would point this out to everyone  
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:04 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 22):
I realize English may not be your native language, but I thought i would point this out to everyone _

  

Not to knit-pick but if you're going to be an Errorist, you can't make these sort of mistakes.  
The use if 'I' needs to be in caps an you're missing a period.
You get a B-



I thought the TU-154 an IL-86 were allowed to fly to the EU up until very recently.
Is that correct?

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:34 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 22):
As far as I know, you cannot. Stage II does not exist in Europe and is referred to Chapter II. Stage II and Stage III are FAA/DOT terms, where Europe uses Chapter II and Chapter III. From what I recall, all Chapter II passenger carrying airliners (meaning non military/Head of State) are now banned at all European Airports (as they are in the U.S.) and have been for the past few years. That is what killed off the TU-154B2 and IL-86 in Europe as these were Chapter II types along with BAC-111's and a few others.

The Tariff Regulations for Düsseldorf Airport still list landing fees for their noise level 8 aircraft (A124, B703, B743) and level 7 aircraft (A30B, AN12, B721, B742, B74S, L101, MD11, MD88, T154). The pricing is pretty prohibitive, up to 56.000 EUR for level 8 and up to 49.000 EUR for level 7, but i see no indication that you can not legally fly it to DUS. Airliners.net has plenty of pictures of TU-154 at EU Airports in the last 6 month....

Quoting crownvic (Reply 22):
Not to be too technical, there is no such word as "aircrafts", but it is frequently used on this forum.

Ah, like Information. Thanks.

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:45 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
They couldn't find any other plane to operate? No newer generation 737s or 320s on the market? I love the look of the 727, but really those beasts are old school - and noisy.

My concern would be the economic viability of doing this. Acquisition costs low but operating costs through the roof, and no expensive cargo (or high ticket prices) to pay for it, while you have to operate regardless of load factor.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 17):
GVA-GYD-PEK (same night connection) which works out at £1242 all J class with the second leg (to China) on the rare Airbus A340-500 and a real bargain I think.

727 + 345 in the same trip, definitely a dream for me ! But I don't have anything to do in China except choking on the pollution.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:56 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 25):
But I don't have anything to do in China except choking on the pollution.

fly onwards..... i wonder if there is a reasonable priced connection to go onwards to TPE and the flight still exists in November...

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:34 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 25):
I don't have anything to do in China except choking on the pollution.

Or the chicken.
China has good food. Or try the Peking duck.

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 26):
fly onwards..... i wonder if there is a reasonable priced connection to go onwards to TPE and the flight still exists in November...

...or check out Ulan Bator, Mongolia for adventure or fly down here to Bangkok for fun.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 25):
operating costs through the roof,

Just how expensive is operating a 727? There is a glut of parts for these jetliners.
I think people overstate how much fuel they use. Perhaps at some point if this airline is successful, they may eventually get newer aircraft types later on.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:43 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
Or the chicken.
China has good food. Or try the Peking duck.

China has a lot of good food, and it might be kinda cool to have it with an post-apocalyptic and "aliens-have-landed and started to terraform earths atmosphere" feel of Bejing .... but there are better places to enjoy Chinese food.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
Just how expensive is operating a 727?

my guess: the 727 is probably parked for ad-hoc charter for the rest of the week and by far the most cost efficient solution for all parties involved.

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 28):
China has a lot of good food, and it might be kinda cool to have it with an post-apocalyptic and "aliens-have-landed and started to terraform earths atmosphere" feel of Bejing ....

That's the ideal environment I want to eat duck.

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 28):
my guess: the 727 is probably parked for ad-hoc charter for the rest of the week and by far the most cost efficient solution for all parties involved.

That's what I was thinking. Plus the high business class fares make up for it as well.
These decisions were made by people that understand the business better than your average A.netter.


Azerbaijan Airlines has 1 TU-154 listed in passenger service. Where does that fly?
Since I'm going through Baku, I want to get another TU-154 flight out of this.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:49 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
Glad to hear there are still some older generation pilots left at A.net that appreciates these magnificent jets.

Heck, I'm younger than most of the planes I fly or really have ever flown being born in the 80's! My first day of school after I moved to that side of the airline a few years back I was asked "why the heck did I want to come fly the old 727", I said I was offered to fly something newer so I took it!

Time is running short to go fly on them, if anyone has a chance to go do it, you should because this might be about it.

As far as operating costs, yeah there are some parts left out there. With FedEx parking their fleet of them, support is really dropping off but the airplane has been a part of aviation for so long, there is lots of experience with them still out there. Basic fuel burn is 1700 gallons per hour at first tapering off to 1200 towards the end. If I had to ballpark it, I would guess the plane is around $10k per hour to operate depending on fuel prices.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:09 am

Quoting tb727 (Reply 30):
Heck, I'm younger than most of the planes I fly or really have ever flown being born in the 80's! My first day of school after I moved to that side of the airline a few years back I was asked "why the heck did I want to come fly the old 727", I said I was offered to fly something newer so I took it!

Fantastic!
Glad I'm not the only person interested in aircraft (among other things) before my time.

Quoting tb727 (Reply 30):
Time is running short to go fly on them, if anyone has a chance to go do it, you should because this might be about it.

I think Iran Air has a few still flying.

Quoting tb727 (Reply 30):
With FedEx parking their fleet of them,

They have the youngest of the 727 series - some built as recently as 1984.
(hard to believe that was 30 years ago)
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:26 am

Hmmm, I see a considerable risk of AZAL pulling the route if instead of wealthy businesspeople the flights get swamped by anorak-wearing a.nutters....  
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:32 am

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 32):
Hmmm, I see a considerable risk of AZAL pulling the route if instead of wealthy businesspeople the flights get swamped by anorak-wearing a.nutters...

If they pay the prices, they probably don´t care at all. Considering the very limited amount of seat available people wanting to fly the 727 might keep the line alive all by themselves for quite a while. That would be an interesting business model in deed.

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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:20 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 24):

The Tariff Regulations for Düsseldorf Airport still list landing fees for their noise level 8 aircraft (A124, B703, B743) and level 7 aircraft (A30B, AN12, B721, B742, B74S, L101, MD11, MD88, T154). The pricing is pretty prohibitive, up to 56.000 EUR for level 8 and up to 49.000 EUR for level 7, but i see no indication that you can not legally fly it to DUS. Airliners.net has plenty of pictures of TU-154 at EU Airports in the last 6 month....

Here is the best answer I can give. More than likely, the TU-154 you mention was a TU-154M, which does meet Chapter 3 regulations. The AN124 meets Chapter 3, and both the 707 and 743 are capable of Chapter 3 operations. On your Level 7 types, everyone of those aircraft are capable of Chapter 3 operations, through re-engining, hush-kitting, already are Chapter 3 (MD-11, L1011, MD88, TU154M) or are not subject to noise restrictions (propeller aircraft in the U.S., not sure about Europe). I am not familiar at all with the "level" codes at DUS and these maybe their own groups they devised. I will say this though. Airports frequently print information like this, where the given departments are not up to speed on regulations and just copy prior years information. It is the same reason you will see aircraft that are no longer flying, but their identifications are still repainted on the ground for air-bridge parking marks. My point is, just because it is on a tariff schedule, it does not mean it is legally allowed to operate in Europe.
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:44 pm

Well, seems not like the easy going booking.
The flight is on the website as an advertissement but not on the bookable flights list.
Also not visible with the ticket sellers.
It´s not my choice to book via phone with an Azeri agency, showing my CC details, take as much as you like!.
Any other idea?.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:57 pm

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 35):
Any other idea?

You could do what I did, and call the airline on the phone and make a booking direct. Call the airline? Radical I know.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:41 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):

Hush! I happly to see them use a 727 instead of another boring 737 or A320.
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:08 pm

Do they need an A&P mechanic with 727 experience?   

The B727 was one of the best aircraft I ever worked on, very simple sytem layout, very little integration of systems (which will give you funny symptoms you'd never think about), easy access to most components and built like a tank.
Most mechanics and engineers who have worked on 727s love them.
The only thing I didn't like was to change brakes. They are big and bloody heavy and our brake change lift didn't fit under the strut doors (even when the rod was extended), so we had to lift them by hand, almost breaking our backs.

Jan
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:24 pm

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 12):
Your a.net membership has been revoked.

LOL!! No, don't! I'll try and do better! I do agree that the 727's profile is iconic - Boeing has made some gorgeous looking planes over the years, but I still wonder why the airline chose a 727 when there are other, newer generation planes on the secondary market. The 727 must've been a steal, but the maintenance and fuel costs would eat into any savings, no?
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 36):
Call the airline? Radical I know.

I still do that.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 37):
Hush! I happly to see them use a 727 instead of another boring 737 or A320.

  

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 39):
The 727 must've been a steal, but the maintenance and fuel costs would eat into any savings, no?

This is a 727, not a Concorde.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:15 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 39):
but the maintenance and fuel costs would eat into any savings, no?

The 727 is a very easily maintained airplane. The engines (JT8D-15) are fuel guzzlers compared with today's ones, but they are virtually indestructible.

Jan
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:25 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 39):
The 727 must've been a steal, but the maintenance and fuel costs would eat into any savings, no?

Have you tried economists.net? It's for people who care about those things.
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:01 pm

So yesterday was the inaugural flight, GYD-GVA-GYD. The first leg carried seven pax, and return, which I flew on with fellow a.netter UK_Dispatcher, well, that was it, just the two of us. Both legs were on time, it used a jet bridge at both airports (satellite in GVA). On board there is a luxury lounge at the front Led Zep style with six seats (two pairs facing each other across a table on one side of the aisle, and single seats facing each other across a table on the other side of the aisle). Behind a wooden partition is the main cabin, which is 17 rows of 2-2 (identical seat to American Airlines domestic F) = 68 (plus the six upfront). Beautiful meal served along with champagne. We were able to eat in the lounge area but I am not sure if that is possible if there are more pax onboard, I wasn't able to tell for sure but it's possible they sell the lounge as F class (but can't find first bookable anywhere online, only business). Anyway I got the feeling we would have been eating in the main cabin if there had been more punters booked.

Really a magical experience, 4h30m on an exotic flying carpet. We transited (would love to visit Azerbaijan but didn't time, money, or visa) over to the old terminal and flew back to LHR on BA which left 1h50m later (arr 1900 on the 727 dep 2050 on BA, and fyi BA arr back at LHR 2240, BA's last arrival of the day I think).

With terrible loads like this, I can only assume this unique flight is not long for this world, so if you have never flown on a 727, or like me, it's an old favourite (my first ever flight was on a 727, Ansett SYD-BNE), please don't wait around to fly on this. Book now - Kazoo has it available, or call AZAL and book direct. You're welcome!
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:32 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 43):
So yesterday was the inaugural flight, GYD-GVA-GYD. The first leg carried seven pax, and return, which I flew on with fellow a.netter UK_Dispatcher

What was your fare, and how did you get home from GYD?
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:33 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 43):
So yesterday was the inaugural flight, GYD-GVA-GYD. The first leg carried seven pax, and return, which I flew on with fellow a.netter UK_Dispatcher, well, that was it, just the two of us. Both legs were on time, it used a jet bridge at both airports (satellite in GVA). On board there is a luxury lounge at the front Led Zep style with six seats (two pairs facing each other across a table on one side of the aisle, and single seats facing each other across a table on the other side of the aisle). Behind a wooden partition is the main cabin, which is 17 rows of 2-2 (identical seat to American Airlines domestic F) = 68 (plus the six upfront). Beautiful meal served along with champagne. We were able to eat in the lounge area but I am not sure if that is possible if there are more pax onboard, I wasn't able to tell for sure but it's possible they sell the lounge as F class (but can't find first bookable anywhere online, only business). Anyway I got the feeling we would have been eating in the main cabin if there had been more punters booked.

Really a magical experience, 4h30m on an exotic flying carpet. We transited (would love to visit Azerbaijan but didn't time, money, or visa) over to the old terminal and flew back to LHR on BA which left 1h50m later (arr 1900 on the 727 dep 2050 on BA, and fyi BA arr back at LHR 2240, BA's last arrival of the day I think).

With terrible loads like this, I can only assume this unique flight is not long for this world, so if you have never flown on a 727, or like me, it's an old favourite (my first ever flight was on a 727, Ansett SYD-BNE), please don't wait around to fly on this. Book now - Kazoo has it available, or call AZAL and book direct. You're welcome!

= Awesome. Though, you sure there were just two of you  ?

Saludos,
Alex
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:08 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 43):
With terrible loads like this, I can only assume this unique flight is not long for this world, so if you have never flown on a 727,

The flight will do just well. There are very strong ties between Azerbaijan and Geneva most notably for petroleum. Azerbaijan's main petroleum trading company, Socar Trading, are based in Geneva amongst the hundreds of other trading companies who are based in Geneva. The demand for such a flight is there,
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 44):
What was your fare

£613 one way - afaik the return is exactly double.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 44):
how did you get home from GYD?

BA 144 leaves for London 1h50m after J2 124 arrives, which is plenty of time for transit formalities.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 45):
you sure there were just two of you

I am quite sure!

Quoting runway23 (Reply 46):
The demand for such a flight is there

No doubt - but there is very little awareness. Even now, it does not exist on the airline's own site, or most online travel agents (Expedia et al). I booked by phoning the airline's London office, and even they knew nothing about it. I explained it to the guy I spoke to, he seemed extremely surprised when he looked on their internal booking system and saw that the flight actually existed! So I just hope the airline can get some visibility in the marketplace.
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:06 am

I hope this flight last through the winter. I'd love to make a ski trip to Switzerland out of this. Not sure if there is a Bangkok-Baku flight.
These photos are making me drool!   

THIS is what travel should be about.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: New Pax 727 Route In Europe: Baku To Geneva

Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:21 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 47):
I am quite sure!

= Did you check the cockpit  ? And the engineer and crew said you two went overboard with the photos  .

Quoting runway23 (Reply 46):
The flight will do just well. There are very strong ties between Azerbaijan and Geneva most notably for petroleum. Azerbaijan's main petroleum trading company, Socar Trading, are based in Geneva amongst the hundreds of other trading companies who are based in Geneva. The demand for such a flight is there,

= Right. And isn't Socar the fuel supplier for many airlines @ GVA, including AZAL?

Saludos,
Alex
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