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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:40 pm

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phofmannsair wrote:
Banning RJ100?
Why? What's the reason behind this?


It seems like noise is the reason.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 035673.pdf (See page 19).


Thanks for the link.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:18 pm

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Page 17:

"The scheme would also share the benefits of noise reduction in accordance with policy, given that it would enable the introduction of a much greater proportion of ‘next generation’ quieter aircraft, in particular the Canadair CS100 and Embraer E280."

"Canadair" CS100... :-)

Forget the Canadair C Series, I want to know about the Embraer E280! Is that a smaller Brazilian version of the A380? (Ok, I know, it says Embraer E2, the "80" is the footnote reference).

Remembering the days when the BAe-146 was marketed as "Whisperjet", it's funny to think of them now being prohibited on noise grounds!

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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:48 pm

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What is the next airline to receive delivery of the CSeries jet after Swiss, AirBaltic and Korean?


Well, BBD anticipates delivering 30 to 35 CSeries in 2017. Considering that SWISS now had 5 or 6 of 30 aircraft delivered, airBaltic has 2 of 20 delivered, and Korean has 0 of 10, I'd say 2017 will just be those three airlines. So hard to say which airline is next beyond them.

Note that Delta is supposed to get their first CS100 in the first half of 2018. Air Canada won't be until 2019.
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Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:51 am

CXH wrote:
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What is the next airline to receive delivery of the CSeries jet after Swiss, AirBaltic and Korean?


Well, BBD anticipates delivering 30 to 35 CSeries in 2017. Considering that SWISS now had 5 or 6 of 30 aircraft delivered, airBaltic has 2 of 20 delivered, and Korean has 0 of 10, I'd say 2017 will just be those three airlines. So hard to say which airline is next beyond them.

Note that Delta is supposed to get their first CS100 in the first half of 2018. Air Canada won't be until 2019.


Apparently, according to various sources, there are "at least 12 Cseries Jets" to be delivered to SWISS in 2017 (balance of order delivered in 2018), 6 to Korean, and 6 to AirBaltic (balance delivered in 2018 and 2019). That is a total of 24. That leaves 6-11 other deliveries for the year, perhaps some of these going to SWISS, and the balance for unknown other airlines.
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:16 am

I understand the C-series is to deliver about 30 aircraft this year. What is the rate-limiting factor? Could they deliver more?
 
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Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:59 am

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I understand the C-series is to deliver about 30 aircraft this year. What is the rate-limiting factor? Could they deliver more?


I think engine output by Pratt & Whitney are dictating the delivery schedule
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:00 pm

I am sitting here in the ABQ Sunport Observation deck and I am seeing, unless it is a desert mirage, a CS300 across the airfield. Wish I was close enough to get a picture, but it right in between the Cutter facility and the Eclipse hangar. Looks like it is about to leave.
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:09 pm

FR24 shows C-FFDK (CS300) on the ground in ABQ. Your eyes are just fine!
 
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Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:14 pm

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FR24 shows C-FFDK (CS300) on the ground in ABQ. Your eyes are just fine!



She won't be here long. She is down now at the start of 26
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:44 pm

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I understand the C-series is to deliver about 30 aircraft this year. What is the rate-limiting factor? Could they deliver more?

Have there been any deliveries in 2017? The Swiss 6th CS100 performed pre-delivery earlier this month but it doesn't appear to have been delivered.
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:56 pm

I read somewhere that Swiss' 6th CS100 should be delivered before the end of the month.
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:10 pm

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I read somewhere that Swiss' 6th CS100 should be delivered before the end of the month.


Both BBA515 and BBA516 (Swiss 6 and 7) active in the last hour.
https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/c93f93a,c93e8f5

Also noting Air Baltic to Dubai on the 25th and remaining on the ground the past 24 hours.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... b/#c90c5e1
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:59 pm

Maybe posted before but I did not see it. Nice video of the Swiss CS100 and air patrol

https://vimeo.com/205373258
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:19 pm

Looks like BBA515 was a customer acceptance flight, delivery should follow quickly.
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:59 pm

Malmö Aviation (now BRA - Braathens Regional Aviation) has frozen the contract for its CSeries aircraft, according to Swedish newspaper SvD.
This is due to a new climate tax that will see 80SEK (8.5EUR / 9 USD) levied on every national flight, 280SEK (29.4EUR / 31USD) on international flights and 430SEK (45EUR / 47.7USD) on intercontinental flights.
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:40 pm

Paolo92 wrote:
Malmö Aviation (now BRA - Braathens Regional Aviation) has frozen the contract for its CSeries aircraft, according to Swedish newspaper SvD.
This is due to a new climate tax that will see 80SEK (8.5EUR / 9 USD) levied on every national flight, 280SEK (29.4EUR / 31USD) on international flights and 430SEK (45EUR / 47.7USD) on intercontinental flights.
source in Swedish: Swedish government's aviation tax gets companies to freeze giant contracts


Can someone please explain what it means to "freeze the contract?"
 
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:56 pm

Jetsouth wrote:
Paolo92 wrote:
Malmö Aviation (now BRA - Braathens Regional Aviation) has frozen the contract for its CSeries aircraft, according to Swedish newspaper SvD.
This is due to a new climate tax that will see 80SEK (8.5EUR / 9 USD) levied on every national flight, 280SEK (29.4EUR / 31USD) on international flights and 430SEK (45EUR / 47.7USD) on intercontinental flights.
source in Swedish: Swedish government's aviation tax gets companies to freeze giant contracts


Can someone please explain what it means to "freeze the contract?"


Effectively, I think it means they're delaying delivery- possibly indefinitely. Eventually BRA and BBD will have to come to an agreement and we will know if they will ever take delivery of those frames or not (including potential penalties if not, depending on the wording of the contract and/or agreements).
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:13 pm

Are BRA CS100 those that were built but put in storage sans engine? MSN 50006 to 50009. These are the first MSNs that follow the FTV and P1 that was used for route proving. After all BRA was supposed to be launch operator for the CS100.
 
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:14 pm

It might also be a way for BRA to protest the proposed tax, to try to get enough MPs to vote no to it.
 
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:46 pm

I'd appreciate if anyone who speaks Swedish could summarize the article. From the above and from Google translate, it sounds like it's a flat per-flight tax in the ballpark of $18 US per round trip within Europe (more for out of Europe flights), so it provides no incentive to invest in lower emissions aircraft, because they're taxed the same.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:59 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
I'd appreciate if anyone who speaks Swedish could summarize the article. From the above and from Google translate, it sounds like it's a flat per-flight tax in the ballpark of $18 US per round trip within Europe (more for out of Europe flights), so it provides no incentive to invest in lower emissions aircraft, because they're taxed the same.


Indeed, it's a twisted tax, newer aircraft would mean less pollution...

English article: http://www.luchtzak.be/airlines/bra/bra ... s-new-tax/
 
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:29 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
I'd appreciate if anyone who speaks Swedish could summarize the article. From the above and from Google translate, it sounds like it's a flat per-flight tax in the ballpark of $18 US per round trip within Europe (more for out of Europe flights), so it provides no incentive to invest in lower emissions aircraft, because they're taxed the same.


The proposal is a fixed tax per departing passenger. 80 kr (€8.4) within Europe, 280 (€29.4) kr for passengers to a country outside Europe, but no more than 6000 km from ARN, and 430 kr (€45.1) for passengers to the rest of the world. And yes, it doesn't matter if the passengers leave on an A320neo or a 737-200, the tax is the same.

Passengers transiting through a Swedish airport on the same plane will not have to pay the tax, as well as passengers on small planes (defined as MTOW 5700 kg or less, or 10 or less passengers).

But, keep in mind this is just a proposed tax. For further discussions, "nordic aviation" might be better suited.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:06 am

How does a flat tax on essentially all passengers have anything at all to do with fleet renewal? The tax seemingly has nothing to do with acquiring the C Series, rather, its just a great excuse to not follow through with the Letter of Intent or Contract that might be in place. I wonder how many firm orders that are on the books are actually this fragile?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:47 am

airnorth wrote:
How does a flat tax on essentially all passengers have anything at all to do with fleet renewal? The tax seemingly has nothing to do with acquiring the C Series, rather, its just a great excuse to not follow through with the Letter of Intent or Contract that might be in place. I wonder how many firm orders that are on the books are actually this fragile?

Swedish domestic travel is expected to drop 4% as a direct result. BRA does not want to invest in new aircraft, CSeries and ATR72, with projection of revenue decline.
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:41 am

Thank you for the clarification.

Since this is still just a proposal, it does indeed sound like the intent to freeze delivery is a preemptive move to draw attention to their opposition.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:43 am

airnorth wrote:
How does a flat tax on essentially all passengers have anything at all to do with fleet renewal? The tax seemingly has nothing to do with acquiring the C Series, rather, its just a great excuse to not follow through with the Letter of Intent or Contract that might be in place. I wonder how many firm orders that are on the books are actually this fragile?


It could be either. Of course all sorts of airlines have used things like new taxes, emissions trading schemes, etc. as smokescreens for the real reason they've chosen to defer and/or ultimately cancel an order. But, this proposed new tax is likely to have an impact on pax numbers and growth, and is also very likely causing uncertainty (especially for airline managers), and therefore it might not be the best time for a relatively small player like BRA to spend on fancy new aircraft when they can simply hold on to their current aircraft a little longer while they 'wait and see' (a) if the proposed tax even goes ahead and (b) if it does, what the actual impact is on their business. There is also the possibility, as someone else suggested, that BRA is using this as a way to convince some politicians to vote against the proposed tax.
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:21 pm

Can we please stick to the C-series and leave the tax discussion for another topic?
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:17 pm

Braathens was supposed to be the launch customer, but backed out. In addition, there are several CS100's constructed, but not delivered. Were these supposed to be for Braathens? If they were, it seems to be that there was trouble with the Braathens order for some time, and that they have walked away from the jet some time ago.
 
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:42 am

Jetsouth wrote:
Braathens was supposed to be the launch customer, but backed out. In addition, there are several CS100's constructed, but not delivered. Were these supposed to be for Braathens? If they were, it seems to be that there was trouble with the Braathens order for some time, and that they have walked away from the jet some time ago.


If the interiors are not installed can BBD sell these to another customer?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:22 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
Jetsouth wrote:
Braathens was supposed to be the launch customer, but backed out. In addition, there are several CS100's constructed, but not delivered. Were these supposed to be for Braathens? If they were, it seems to be that there was trouble with the Braathens order for some time, and that they have walked away from the jet some time ago.


If the interiors are not installed can BBD sell these to another customer?


Rumour was they were the initial frames for Malmö and GulfAir. both backed (GulfAir first, hence Malmö became the launch operator, then Malmö did the same) and said initially they would postpone and take delivery in 2018.
Don't know what's their status, according to Sylvain Faust and its sources, they should be scheduled to be completed and delivered towards the end of the year (no idea to whom).
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:35 am

Bombardier is having no much luck with planned production ramp-up so far:

Bombardier has halted deliveries of the CSeries aircraft for two months to refine the production system and upgrade the aircraft configuration while the supply of Pratt & Whitney’s geared turbofan engines remains a bottleneck, chief executive Alain Bellemare tells Flightglobal.

...

“We’re taking advantage of this lateness in engines to take the opportunity to upgrade the aircraft, upgrade the assembly line and get ready for more volume,” Bellemare says.

While Bombardier waits for more engines, the company is improving aircraft on the assembly line to avoid taking delivered units out of service as improved components become available. Bellemare says.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... li-434803/
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:52 am

Bombardier seems to lately have a serious problem meeting its deliveries of both planes and trains. It may also lose substantial contracts or pay substantial penalties for contracts it has with Toronto's Metrolinx and the Toronto Transit Commission due to LRT deliveries that are years late.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:07 pm

What is happening with the 2 CS100 to be delivered to Swiss that have already been in flight testing and the one CS300 for airBaltic that apparently already has engines?
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:09 pm

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What is happening with the 2 CS100 to be delivered to Swiss that have already been in flight testing and the one CS300 for airBaltic that apparently already has engines?


According to the article above, Swiss 6th CS100 will be delivered shortly.
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Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:48 pm

Delivery of Swiss' next CS100 is imminent:

https://twitter.com/Paolo_Pilot/status/ ... 0465547264
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:50 am

HB-JBF is flying home today.

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Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:43 pm

HB-JBF will arrive around 2100lt in ZRH and will be deployed tomorrow on the first commercial flight ZRH-AMS-ZRH.
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:08 pm

It should be on its way if it is due in ZHR at 21:00 CET.
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:47 pm

Hello all,


By flightradar24 it´s now between Greenland and Iceland :)


http://www.flightradar24.com/SWR5201/caef8e4


Filter by aircraft type as it doesn´t show up when you look by registration.

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Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:48 pm

ETA now approx. 19.50lt.
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:47 pm

Pretty cool, all 6 of the Swiss planes are currently in the air, as is one of Baltics.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:15 pm

I seem to remember the earlier LX delivery flights taking a more northerly route, presumably for diversion distance. Did the CSeries get ETOPS or a longer diversion time to fly a more southerly route?
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:21 pm

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I seem to remember the earlier LX delivery flights taking a more northerly route, presumably for diversion distance. Did the CSeries get ETOPS or a longer diversion time to fly a more southerly route?


ETOPS shouldn't matter on ferry flights
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:32 pm

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HB-JBF will arrive around 2100lt in ZRH and will be deployed tomorrow on the first commercial flight ZRH-AMS-ZRH.


Wow, that's quick. SWISS is keen on getting it in revenue service...
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:08 pm

Are there two CS100 crossing the Atlantic today? On both flightaware and flightradar24 it looks like there are two aircraft - one leaving this morning from YMX which landed at 7.50PM in ZRH and one scheduled to depart 5.55PM from YMX and land at 7.42AM Friday morning in ZRH...
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:52 am

Someone83 wrote:
dopplerd wrote:
I seem to remember the earlier LX delivery flights taking a more northerly route, presumably for diversion distance. Did the CSeries get ETOPS or a longer diversion time to fly a more southerly route?


ETOPS shouldn't matter on ferry flights


You are right, the route is more southerly then the ones before....
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:48 pm

luckymaaa wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
dopplerd wrote:
I seem to remember the earlier LX delivery flights taking a more northerly route, presumably for diversion distance. Did the CSeries get ETOPS or a longer diversion time to fly a more southerly route?


ETOPS shouldn't matter on ferry flights


You are right, the route is more southerly then the ones before....

ETOPS matters, no matter if the flight is revenue or positioning
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:24 pm

After arriving on thursday evening at ZRH from Mirabelle, HB-JBF did her first two revenue turnarounds to Budapest and Prague yesterday friday already.
 
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Re: CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 2)

Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:29 am

the third CS300 for AirBaltic has made its first flight yesterday:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... wu#cba44ef

4h flight topping at FL160, usual Bombardier first flight stuff.
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Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:39 am

What is the latest on Pratt being able to ramp up engine production?

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