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Iran Air & Emirates Boost In KUL

Tue Nov 07, 2000 8:20 am

According to the Star newspaper in Malaysia, Iran Air is seeking to double its services into Kuala Lumpur. Its twice weekly 747SP (KUL's only SP visitor) is doing so well that the airline ahs applied to increase its services from 2 weekly to 4.

Emirates has also announced that it plans a daily Dubai-KL service from next March. Could EK also be thinking of entering the Malaysia-Oz market?

KLM has already boosted services from last week to offer a double daily AMS-KUL service with 7 services operated by MAS.

Is BA correct in pulling out of KUL or is this plain short-sightedness by the airline that poineered Malaysian aviation?


RE: Iran Air & Emirates Boost In KUL

Tue Nov 07, 2000 8:46 am


I'd like to know more about BA's role in Malaysian aviation history, could you provide some info/book references?

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RE: Iran Air & Emirates Boost In KUL

Tue Nov 07, 2000 9:01 am

British Airways or rather Imperial Airways and BOAC began flight operations in Malaysia when Malaya was still a Crown Colony. BOAC and Qantas also formed Malayan Airways which went on to become Malaysia-Singapore its really quite sad that British Airways today cannot compete with SIA and MAS on the London routes.
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RE: Mas777

Tue Nov 07, 2000 1:16 pm

As far as I know, BA is actually still flying twice daily to SIN, so I don't understand your statement that BA can't compete with SQ.

There is just this simple economic reality that the LHR-KUL flight hasn't proven te be able to generate money for BA, and that's why they are pulling out. I also think that BA has been trying hard to give this route a chance, using different a/c and different network structures, with the KUL flights being extended to CGK and SYD for a while.

As I see it, there is just not the business market to make these flights viable in the near future, and that is why they are pulling out, whether you like it or not.

Or do you expect an airline to keep on operating a loss making route for the emotional reason that they have been in the market for a long time only?

RE: Iran Air & Emirates Boost In KUL

Wed Nov 08, 2000 11:10 am

If other foreign carriers are doing so well in KUL, why MAS have to reduce it fleet and routes then? (respond for the post: 'MAS to reduce fleet and routes' posted by CX747)

As for the BA case, I think the main reason is not because of KUL route is not profitable (can't even make profit with B772 with the most expensive KUL-London fare in Malaysia? what a joke). Maybe because they want to concentrate on the co-operations between them and Qantas in Changi airport.

Anyway, just some of my personal though
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RE: Iran Air & Emirates Boost In KUL

Thu Nov 09, 2000 4:44 am


Although BA still flies twice daily to SIN - BA is also not making that much revenue from this service. It has been forced to pool services with QF to help keep costs down and has ben forced to concentrate services into SIN on the proviso that passengers have onward connections to Australia and NZ.

No one is asking an airline to continue services on an 'emotional' basis - but I think you might find it hard to name any airline that has ALL its routes flying at a profit.

BTW : I also know that BA33 as a LHR-KUL-SYD service was doing well (financially) but Qantas objected to this service as they could not sell their share of tickets on the code-share because Qantas' reputation in Malaysia is rock-bottom (putting it nicely) after pulling out of Malaysia (in 1983 and again in 1995 and again in 1998 or was it 1999 - see a pattern emerge...).

I also agree that BA has always charged the highest fares on its flights to London and is thus considered by many Malaysians as a premium product, but the fact lies in BA's scheduling over the past few years which has been appalling.

Why should one pay more and be restricted to a few flights a week when MAS charged less and offered more than double the number of flights? From the UK - most working people and families leave for their holidays on Friday evenings - guess which day of the week BA didn't fly to KL (!) whilst MAS' fares were comparable and there's a choice of 2 flights on Friday and a Sat am one if Fri. pm was too much of a rush. Its not just simple economics - its also common sense. NB : For BA Cargo (where the real cash is) the same obvious restrictions apply with BA's scheduling on such a high density route.
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RE: Iran Air & Emirates Boost In KUL

Thu Nov 09, 2000 8:56 am

Just a rumour   ....British Airways messed up in KUL. Management disagreements between London and Kuala Lumpur led to unhappy staff and low morale in Malaysia. The 777 was disliked by staff and passengers. BA Malaysia warned BA HQ that a second daily service was needed to compete directly with MAS on the route - and turn it into profit - but BA looked to Qantas for advice. QF has always found KUL to be a thorn in its rose and aims to concentrate ALL services at Changi so was more than happy to concede the route. Rod Eddington arrived and the dotted line was signed to remove KUL from the network.... so I heard  

Nevertheless - KUL is still not necessarily a white elephant, apart from IR, EK increasing services -

Asiana plans to open a KUL route.
China Airlines is looking at increasing services
Eva Air is too
Cathay already has.
Air India may follow sooner than you think
Japan Airlines is planning to double its services whilst
Lauda/Austrian is looking into developing its KUL hub further
Swissair is planning to open up the route in its own right after much success with MAS and
Last but not least - American is watching the situation closely and KUL could even be its first Southeast Asian city. some whispering people tell me  
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RE: Iran Air & Emirates Boost In KUL

Sat Nov 11, 2000 8:08 am

I forgot to add that :

China Southern have launched new flights from KUL and are looking to increase their current services. China Southern is now one of the largest carriers into KUL.

China Eastern is also looking to introduce a Shanghai-KUL service.

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