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Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:07 am

I recognize this is a bit of an inside baseball question, but I was wondering whether anyone could explain why FedEx Express and Atlas Air have filed a motion with the DOT supporting Norwegian's application for a foreign air carrier permit? Obviously they're not acting out of the goodness of their heart, so what interest are they trying to advance or support in the process?

http://worldairlinenews.com/2014/08/...-the-dot-to-grant-its-application/
(second paragraph mentions FedEx Express and Atlas Air)
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:43 am

Both carriers (along with the last 3 heads of the DOT) are of the opinions the EU-US bilateral is very clear, and the US has no grounds to reject Norwegian.
The EU-US ASA requires parties respect the determination of regulators of the otherside, so if the EU says Norwegian is EU and compliant with EU ownership and citizenship, the US must accept such determination.

On a macro scale both Fedex and Atlas are companies that have tended to long support liberalization of global aviation market and have long opposed protectionism.

[Edited 2014-08-28 22:50:00]
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:48 am

Perhaps both are planning a scheme similar to Norwegians?
 
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:38 am

Atlas likes hiring cheaper foreign pilots. They have used every trick in the book to create friction between Polar and Atlas groups in the past.
 
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:43 am

I doubt that Atlas or Fedex would set-up passenger carriers but LAXIntl has explained it very well.

The EU could get funny ideas about FX's European network, just to mention one item
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:54 am

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 2):
Perhaps both are planning a scheme similar to Norwegians?

Or they want they ability to do so. Norwegian doesn't compete with them, so they've got no reason to oppose them.

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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:57 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 3):
Atlas likes hiring cheaper foreign pilots. They have used every trick in the book to create friction between Polar and Atlas groups in the past.

Well the only foreign base they've had was in the UK.....

But that's long in the past; that base is closed and Atlas and Polar pilots are now on the same seniority list.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
I doubt that Atlas or Fedex would set-up passenger carriers but LAXIntl has explained it very well.

Atlas flies passengers.
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:01 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):
Atlas flies passengers.

on charters and mostly DoD contracts. That's different to what Norwegian or others do.
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:32 am

Not sure about Atlas, but it seems FedEx thinks they can leverage the NAI issue to do the same thing in Europe. I have a feeling that this will be an issue when they try to front a candidate for ALPA National President. NAI is such a cancer that the fact that an ALPA carrier would support it is disgusting.
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:56 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
so if the EU says Norwegian is EU and compliant with EU ownership and citizenship, the US must accept such determination.

Except Norway isn't an EU member country, the company office in Ireland is an office of convienence to allow them to get around Norwegian labor laws.
 
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:13 am

I would assume that the lift that both companies does in Europe and then fly on to a thirds party country makes them likely to be the carriers who will feel the brunt of a European retribution in case the US denies Norwegian.

Usually self interest makes companies take a stand.

And fedex knows that after their Euro HQ move from Paris to a canton in Switzerland where they pay virtually no tax, they are thus likely to be top of the list for retribution from the EU if a block on Norwegian is enforced.

While I dont particularly care for Norwegian i struggle to see anything wrong or illegal with what they are doing. unethical yes but illegal no.
Its however unfair to hire cheap American and Asian labour (or hire Europeans on contracts in say Thailand) and fly around the world pretending to be a European airline.
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RE: Why Do FedEx, Atlas Air Support Norwegian?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:33 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 10):
While I dont particularly care for Norwegian i struggle to see anything wrong or illegal with what they are doing. unethical yes but illegal no.

The problem is that the US-EU treaty arguably makes unethical actions of the sort you described illegal.

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