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Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:26 pm

With more than 13 direct flights between the two cities, would it be possible to beat the LON-NYC within the next 3 years.
There are 5 airlines working on this route. 2 from UK, 1 from Brunei, 1 Australia, 1 UAE.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:35 pm

What do you mean by beat? LHR-DXB will never have the O/D that JFK-LHR has. JFK-LHR has significant demand because of close relationships between the city. O/D in Dubai is growing, but up to 70% of Emirates traffic is for connections. LHR-DXB is dominated by Emirates. As EK's network grows, I think their capacity will increase, but it is different than JFK-LHR which is sustained mostly on O/D traffic with far fewer connections.

So will LHR-DXB maybe have more passengers? Yes. Will it have more airlines? I doubt it.
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:04 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
So will LHR-DXB maybe have more passengers? Yes. Will it have more airlines? I doubt it.

Not a chance even of more passengers.

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...nes+--&codeshareDisplay=1&x=30&y=9

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...es+--&codeshareDisplay=1&x=33&y=15

(plus the BA LCY services)

[Edited 2014-08-29 08:09:59]
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:38 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
With more than 13 direct flights between the two cities, would it be possible to beat the LON-NYC within the next 3 years.

I think NYC-LHR has about 32 daily flights and most pax will be O&D, whereas on DXB-LHR I would say most pax would be transferring. It is only such a big market as the UK has failed to have a policy on aviation expansion so as a result we have seen smaller carriers leave LHR and the ME3 etc operating multiple flights to their hubs.

Lack of expansion at LHR has also seen UK regional travellers bypassing LHR in favour of AMD/CDG/DXB etc.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:42 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 3):

For all the good it's done Air France-KLM at AMS and CDG.

IAG is about x4 AF market value.

[Edited 2014-08-29 08:51:44]
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:15 pm

Never say never but no time soon. Take today as an example:



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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:11 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
With more than 13 direct flights between the two cities, would it be possible to beat the LON-NYC within the next 3 years.
There are 5 airlines working on this route. 2 from UK, 1 from Brunei, 1 Australia, 1 UAE.

If you're using NYC then a better comparison is LON-UAE. AUH and DXB aren't really that much different than JFK and EWR, and those lines will blur even more as traffic moves from DXB to DWC.

Quoting anstar (Reply 3):
I think NYC-LHR has about 32 daily flights and most pax will be O&D

Most? Do you know for sure? I wouldn't be that sure. Both are significant OneWorld hubs. Until the US merger it was AA's primary hub on the East Coast. Likewise for CO at EWR. NYC-LON has a huge amount of traffic indeed but I would be very reluctant saying that most passengers are O&D.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:19 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):

Why stop there.

If you're using LON-UAE let's also use LON-USA.

Honestly.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:24 pm

I could see it in maybe 7 years but the A380s are more prevalent on the LON UAE route. You really have to measure it by overall seats. There are no 757s or 318's headed to UAE.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:29 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):

Most? Do you know for sure? I wouldn't be that sure. Both are significant OneWorld hubs. Until the US merger it was AA's primary hub on the East Coast. Likewise for CO at EWR. NYC-LON has a huge amount of traffic indeed but I would be very reluctant saying that most passengers are O&D.

I think it is fair to say most. It would probably be more than 50% O/D. According to the latest statistics that I have seen, JFK is 82% O/D. LHR is 67% O/D. That means 18% could be connecting beyond JFK and 33% could be connecting beyond LHR. That adds up to 51% could be connecting, but I assume that there are some double connections in there, so JFK-LHR probably is more O/D than connection, but it is hard to say.
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:48 pm

2013 Passenger numbers by route:

- LHR-AUH = 638 392 pax +9%
- LHR-DXB = 2 240 193 pax +14%
- LHR-JFK = 3 015 218 pax +6%
- LHR-EWR = 1 179 521 pax +1%

If this growth were to continue you can work it out for yourself.

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:13 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 10):

If this growth were to continue you can work it out for yourself.

Can't really continue since EK has no additional slots at LHR.

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting yowza (Reply 5):

WaW amazing table

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 7):

Or UK - UAE if u like.
Don't forget that the USA is the third most populated country in the world, the population soon will be 320 million, while the UAE is around 7 million. The more people you have in an open market country like the USA the more you need to travel overseas, especially while talking about the economy number 1.
It is also not fair to compare Dubai to New York interm of GDP, Dubai is $82 billion while NY $1.1 trillion.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:28 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 11):
Can't really continue since EK has no additional slots at LHR.

- Nothing to stop them buying additional slots when they become avaliable though.
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:34 pm

In o&d, no

In total number of passengers including connections, yes
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 10):
2013 Passenger numbers by route:

- LHR-AUH = 638 392 pax +9%
- LHR-DXB = 2 240 193 pax +14%
- LHR-JFK = 3 015 218 pax +6%
- LHR-EWR = 1 179 521 pax +1%

If this growth were to continue you can work it out for yourself.

Source: CAA UK

Dont forget LGW-DXB, EK flies the route also.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:31 am

Quoting factsonly (Reply 10):
- LHR-AUH = 638 392 pax +9%
- LHR-DXB = 2 240 193 pax +14%
- LHR-JFK = 3 015 218 pax +6%
- LHR-EWR = 1 179 521 pax +1%

The same way the traffic LHR-DXB grow based on connections, as numbers keep moving up, certain city pairs become able to support non-stops with greater advantages for passengers. Together with this, we will see in a few years a lot of new birds that may change the current environment.
In the other hand, JFK is a stable market, but will continue to grow as they represent the two Top Global Financial City Pair.
The risk associated to new city pairs, for JFK-LHR, is limited.
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:51 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 15):
Dont forget LGW-DXB, EK flies the route also.

- LHR-AUH = 638 392 pax +9%
- LHR-DXB = 2 240 193 pax +14%
- LGW-DXB = 716 636 pax +15%
- LHR-JFK = 3 015 218 pax +6%
- LCY-JFK = 22.075 pax + 0%
- LHR-EWR = 1 179 521 pax +1%

- BHX-DXB = 499.573 pax +5%
- BHX-EWR = 97.747 pax +5%

- MAN-DXB = 768.452 pax + 11%
- MAN-AUH = 324.592 pax + 12%
- MAN-JFK = 114.190 pax = +0%
- MAN-EWR = 113.841 pax = 1%

- GLA-DXB = 402.340 pax + 28%
- GLA-EWR = 103.131 pax + 7%

- NCL-DXB = 199.025 pax + 23%
- NCL-EWR = 881 pax +3%

TOTAL UK-USA = 17.486.374 pax +1%
TOTAL UK-UAE = 5.798.504 pax +14%

Source: CAA UK 2013
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:05 pm

The answer is obvious. No. There are far more airlines and alot larger markets connecting through NYC. Plus, you have EWR to throw in the mix. My preferred NYC area airport. Add it all up and there you have it. NYC-LON demolishes DXB-LON.
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:06 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
would it be possible to beat the LON-NYC within the next 3 years

Not sure if serious, or trolling....
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:15 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
LHR-DXB will never have the O/D that JFK-LHR has
Quoting anstar (Reply 3):
I think NYC-LHR has about 32 daily flights and most pax will be O&D
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):
JFK is 82% O/D. LHR is 67% O/D.
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
In o&d, no

I don' t understand this fixation on O&D vs transfer here. IMHO, the opening poster (OP) asked a perfectly valid question, leading up to an interesting discussion on the number of passengers between LHR and NYC/DXB. A passenger is a passenger, O&D or transferring, they are using the same seat on the LHR-NYC/DXB route . . .
While I also find the transfer discussion quite interesting, it was not the intent of this OP, so I do not see the need to add that here.

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 7):
If you're using LON-UAE let's also use LON-USA.

While I can understand the argument to add AUH to the DXB total, although I agree is somewhat of a stretch, I do not see any logic at ALL to include the whole of USA. Have you ever looked at the distance (both in km/sm/nm and in hrs flying time) between JFK and LAX or ANC HNL for that matter.
One could also argue that DXB and AUH pretty much serving same market for the most part (hmmm, this is where the transfer discussion fits in, perhaps that now does make sense after all . . . ).


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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:08 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 20):

I disagree. Even though the OP never mentioned the word "market", that is exactly what should be considered to make an accurate comparison. Therefore, we need to take into account O&D, by which standard, NYC blows DXB (and DWC for that matter) out of the water.

And no, AUH and DXB are not the same market. So they should not be considered as one.

JFK-EWR is 21 miles apart, while AUH-DXB is nearly 4 times that.

If we are talking about the "markets" of LON-NYC vs LON-DXB, then it's all about PDEW between each city pairs.

Either way, even with connections, Dubai cant catch up to NYC anytime soon.....

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:24 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 7):

Why stop there.

If you're using LON-UAE let's also use LON-USA.

Honestly.

Now you're being ridiculous. No one is going to drive from Seattle to JFK to catch a flight to London. However has Dubai and Abu Dhabi expand towards each other's border you're likely to end up with a giant metro area not unlike London and New York.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):

I think it is fair to say most. It would probably be more than 50% O/D. According to the latest statistics that I have seen, JFK is 82% O/D. LHR is 67% O/D.

Most airlines operating to LHR and JFK don't have a hub there so of course the airports will have a large O&D component. But most of those airlines are also not flying LON-NYC.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:33 pm

My first thought when I read the thread title was LCY-DXB.

...Could we see that at some point soon?
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 21):
I disagree. Even though the OP never mentioned the word "market", that is exactly what should be considered to make an accurate comparison. Therefore, we need to take into account O&D, by which standard, NYC blows DXB (and DWC for that matter) out of the water.

I don't follow, I don't understand.

The OP is just interested in the TOTAL (total = O&D + Transfer) pax numbers between LHR-NYC and LHR-DXB. He does not care if that split in O&D and transfer is 20%, 30% or 80%, or whatever. While certainly interesting, he did not ask for the % of O&D vs % transfer.

Of course, when looking at future growth, it is important to consider and evaluate both metrics (O&D and Transfer), but he did not ask if NYC/DXB will beat one another on one of those metrics. He is not interested at one of those metrics in isolation; he is looking at TOTAL. He is interested if DXB will beat (blow out the water, to use your phrase) NYC in TOTAL.

Apparently, somehow it must be seriously important to you (and others) to change to OP question in such a way that the deliverable measurement is changed to a number where NYC blows/continues to blow DXB out of the water. Again, I can't understand why one of the metrics in isolation is so important, when the mix was not part of the original question.

He is just asking for the number of passengers between LHR-NYC and LHR-DXB, and if the DXB numbers at some point in time can beat NYC. How hard can it be . . . ?
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 22):

Now you're being ridiculous. No one is going to drive from Seattle to JFK to catch a flight to London. However has Dubai and Abu Dhabi expand towards each other's border you're likely to end up with a giant metro area not unlike London and New York.

Agree. One wonders whether some actually bother to look at an old fashioned (non-electronic) map . . . Wow, I'm really starting to feel like an old fart right now.

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:50 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 22):
Now you're being ridiculous. No one is going to drive from Seattle to JFK to catch a flight to London. However has Dubai and Abu Dhabi expand towards each other's border you're likely to end up with a giant metro area not unlike London and New York.

What are you talking about ?

We're just talking about London NYC and Dubai. You decided to include the United Arab Emirates in its 2 hub entirety.

I was being sarcastic.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 25):
Agree. One wonders whether some actually bother to look at an old fashioned (non-electronic) map . . . Wow, I'm really starting to feel like an old fart right now.

'One' was BA longhaul cabin crew for years. I think I'm just about aware that the flying time to SEA is 3 hours more than to JFK for a reason.

Nice try.

[Edited 2014-08-30 09:01:52]
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:01 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 23):
My first thought when I read the thread title was LCY-DXB.

...Could we see that at some point soon?

Unlikely for a scheduled service - the runway at LCY is just too short and the approach tricky. The biggest plane operating in/out of there is BA's A318s.
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:06 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 27):

I think LCY long haul is a one trick pony in the same way that Concorde was a one trick pony.

It's the nature of London and New York and their financial links that make both work.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:10 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 26):
'One' was BA longhaul cabin crew for years. I think I'm just about aware that the flying time to SEA is 3 hours more than to JFK for a reason.

Nice try.

Apologies if I came over too sharp. However I still strongly feel that translating DXB/AUH to NYC-->USA is quite a stretch, to put it very mildly.

BTW, did you ever fly or travel DXB-AUH?
BTW2, and of course the flying time JFK-SEA is somewhat more than 3 hrs, almost double that number . . .  

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:55 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 29):

Don't worry about it.

The 3 hours difference I was referring to LHR/JFK opposed LHR/SEA.

Been to DXB and AUH on numerous occasions. Pourquoi ?

[Edited 2014-08-30 10:07:24]
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:11 pm

To UAEFlyer,

I did not believe that the U.S. is the third most populous country in the world. However, according to Wikipedia, indeed we are number 3 with about 320 million people. China is number 1 at 1.3 billion, India is number 2 at 1.2 billion, and Indonesia is number 4 at over 200 million.

The U.S. is indeed the largest airline market in the world, including both domestic and international. However, China is growing their air traffic by leaps and bounds, and will eventually surpass the U.S.

Thanks for launching the discussion!

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:01 pm

Quoting traindoc (Reply 31):

Thanks for contributing into this topic

I believe same apply for India too, with many airlines serving multiple cities there, and some are sending their largest aircraft such as SQ, EK, & LH. But the USA will still lead the way at least for the next 20 years, because the aviation is somehow linked with the economic move, so as far as the USA is the economy number 1 I think the aviation industry their will be number 1 too.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:48 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 25):
Agree. One wonders whether some actually bother to look at an old fashioned (non-electronic) map . . . Wow, I'm really starting to feel like an old fart right now.

I must be one too.

How does a simple post get derailed by the devil of detail?
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:00 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 7):
If you're using LON-UAE let's also use LON-USA.

I disagree. There's a big difference when you're talking about 2 airports 63 nm apart in a country that's smaller than 39 of the 50 U.S. states.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:57 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 28):

I think LCY long haul is a one trick pony in the same way that Concorde was a one trick pony.

It's the nature of London and New York and their financial links that make both work.

You don't fly direct from LCY to JFK, you have to make a fuel stop at SNN. So are they going to make a fuel stop at say Manston or some foreign airport on the way to DXB?
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:56 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):

I'm quite happy for you to start a new topic entitled 'Could LON-UAE beat LON-NYC ?'

Seeing as two are cities and one is a country though I'm not sure of the relevance of the comparison ?
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:11 am

NYC-LON has at least 5 carriers (UA, AA, DL, BA, VA). 6 If you include PHL, which is less than 100 miles from NYC. DXB-LON only has three, with, without looking at schedules, may have at most 10 flights a day. NYC-LON has almost literally around the clock hourly service, everyday of the year.
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:29 am

Quoting brilondon (Reply 35):
So are they going to make a fuel stop at say Manston or some foreign airport on the way to DXB?

Probably not. Without looking at the performance docs one can't be sure but it can probably be done non stop in both directions. LCY-JFK is the limiting sector, LCY's runway length is the main limiting factor and it is also west bound so into the prevailing winds. LCY-DXB would be with the wind from LCY. Westbound into LCY would be no problem from DXB, they have nice long runways!

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:51 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 38):

I'm not sure you could fill adequately an A318 ( or similar ) daily business class only ( that's the only way it would be profitable ) service between London City Airport and Dubai.

The dynamics of London/JFK are just not there.

[Edited 2014-09-01 00:21:01]
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:52 am

Quoting factsonly (Reply 17):
- LHR-AUH = 638 392 pax +9%
- LHR-DXB = 2 240 193 pax +14%
- LGW-DXB = 716 636 pax +15%
- LHR-JFK = 3 015 218 pax +6%
- LCY-JFK = 22.075 pax + 0%
- LHR-EWR = 1 179 521 pax +1%

- BHX-DXB = 499.573 pax +5%
- BHX-EWR = 97.747 pax +5%

- MAN-DXB = 768.452 pax + 11%
- MAN-AUH = 324.592 pax + 12%
- MAN-JFK = 114.190 pax = +0%
- MAN-EWR = 113.841 pax = 1%

- GLA-DXB = 402.340 pax + 28%
- GLA-EWR = 103.131 pax + 7%

- NCL-DXB = 199.025 pax + 23%
- NCL-EWR = 881 pax +3%

TOTAL UK-USA = 17.486.374 pax +1%
TOTAL UK-UAE = 5.798.504 pax +14%

Source: CAA UK 2013

Thanks for the info factsonly. It will be interesting to see Norwegian's numbers next year for LGW - JFK...
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:22 am

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 39):

I would say it is very easy to fill a daily A318 from DXB to LCY, first of DP world have a massive movement of their executives between Dubai & London, and one of their executives stated clearly that they will support such route.
DP world have a huge project named London Gateway and they have a continuous movement between the two cities.

Furthermore, in the DIFC there are many British firms that have regional offices for the MENA countries. Same apply for the free zones in DXB.
So filling a small A318 is not that hard, and it is doable.

QR seems happy with A319CJ to LHR, same may apply for LCY-DXB
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:52 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 41):

I have an idea why Qatar is 'currently' using a relatively small narrow body jet on a valuable Heathrow slot....

I'm not denying there are vast commercial ties between London and Dubai. I'm just questioning whether those ties require the use of City airport in the same way that New York does considering the two cities are the no.1 and 2 global financial hubs.

( given LCY's proximity to Threadneedle Street )

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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:20 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 37):
DXB-LON only has three, with, without looking at schedules, may have at most 10 flights a day. NYC-LON has almost literally around the clock hourly service, everyday of the year.

Maybe you should look at the schedules, DXB-LON has 5 carriers:
- BA - x2
- Virgin x1
- Qantas x2
- Emirates x8
- Royal Brunei x1

That's 14 frequencies: 8xA380, 1x747, 3x777, 1xA333, 1x788.

As to the OP question, clearly the passenger numbers aren't to the same level as NYC but they're growing strongly. It would not surprise me if Emirates increased or upgraded Gatwick and perhaps even added a frequency from Stansted due to the lack of slots at LHR.

In terms of AUH, I don't think it's a crazy idea to count JFK and EWR against DXB and AUH. And looking into the future, DWC to AUH will only be a slightly longer drive than JFK-EWR.

With Etihad upgrading to 3xA380 daily on the LHR-AUH route next year we'll see a further jump in passengers from London (South East) travelling to a similar sized corner of the Middle East.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:50 am

Quoting thereckoner (Reply 43):

There is a problem with this as it is rather disingenuous.

What percentage of the passengers in DXB and AUH are remaining in the UAE once they arrive compared to those remaining in the USA after arriving at JFK or EWR.

The volume of traffic using JFK and EWR to get to the United States from London is far far greater than those using DXB and AUH to get to the UAE.
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:44 am

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 7):
Why stop there.

If you're using LON-UAE let's also use LON-USA.
Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 12):
Or UK - UAE if u like.
Quoting PW100 (Reply 20):
While I can understand the argument to add AUH to the DXB total, although I agree is somewhat of a stretch, I do not see any logic at ALL to include the whole of USA.
Quoting airbazar (Reply 22):
Now you're being ridiculous.

The problem is where to draw the line.

AUH is 72 miles from DXB. But SOU is only 53 miles from LHR, And BHX is, at 87 miles from LHR, only a little further.

BRS is under 100 miles from LHR while MAN at 151 miles is pretty close to being only twice as far from LHR as AUH is from DXB.

What are the distance limits for two airports to be 'in the same market'? Perhaps we should recognise the expertise of IATA and stick to those conurbations where it has an area code like LON, NYC and PAR?
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:41 pm

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 44):
Quoting thereckoner (Reply 43):


There is a problem with this as it is rather disingenuous.

What percentage of the passengers in DXB and AUH are remaining in the UAE once they arrive compared to those remaining in the USA after arriving at JFK or EWR.

The volume of traffic using JFK and EWR to get to the United States from London is far far greater than those using DXB and AUH to get to the UAE.

But what's the relevance whether DXB and AUH are in the same country and whether passengers to DXB/AUH are connecting beyond to other countries? Many of the countries they're connecting to are much closer to the UAE than many U.S. domestic points are to JFK/EWR.

I can understand comparing O&D to connecting traffic, but why does it matter whether the final destination is in the same country as the connecting point?
 
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RE: Could LON-DXB Beat LON-NYC

Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:13 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 21):
JFK-EWR is 21 miles apart, while AUH-DXB is nearly 4 times that.

It takes 40 minutes to get from AUH to Dubai Marina, and 50 minutes to Burj Khalifa. How many minutes does it take to get from Fifth Avenue to EWR? or JFK? They are basically in the same metropolitan area--just as EWR/JFK are.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 21):
Either way, even with connections, Dubai cant catch up to NYC anytime soon.....

Perhaps capacity wise--they will.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 37):
PHL, which is less than 100 miles from NYC

Since AUH and DXB are only 40 minutes apart, is it twice, or thrice that to get from NYC to PHL?
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