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AI 777 Being Scrapped At EWR?

Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:41 pm

On 08/27 I flew EWR-PVD on a UA Dash8-300 and noticed that an AI 777 parked for long time in the north side of the airport had its vertical stab removed plus a lot of vehicles and containers around it, i took a couple of pics of the plane using my cel but the window was very dirty and the distance made it very low quality.

Usually a C or a D check is done inside of an hangar protected from weather, do anyone have an idea of whats going on with this bird? I tried a forum search and was not able to find any info, pics:



 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:52 pm

Was this plane not hit by a truck at EWR a few months back?
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:01 pm

This must be VT-ALT which flew to EWR on 04th June this year and never back.

It is a 77W.
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:11 pm

Considering EWR isn't an aircraft recycling facility, it certainly is not going to be scrapped there. And AI is returning their "parts donor" 777-200LR to service ( AI Begins Repair Of Cannibalized 77L (VT-ALH) (by Nimish Aug 28 2014 in Civil Aviation) ), so I am highly doubtful they would scrap a 777-300ER.

As noted by ReinerS, VT-ALT was hit by a catering truck under the tail ( http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=166754 ) and it is likely undergoing some kind of major repair to return it to airworthiness.


As an aside, it says something about Air India's reputation on a.net that when one of their airframes sits for more than a few days or has more than one panel open, the assumption is it's being scrapped.  Silly

[Edited 2014-08-29 13:12:04]
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:12 pm

I dont know what are they doing but scrapping a 4 yesrs old B77W seems a bit ilogic to me. But it's Aur India so ilogic isdues can be perfectly possible. They have 2 B77L stored and one being used for parts VT-ALG and VT-ALH, howevervthe second hand market for B77L it's much more difficult than for a B77W.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 1):

Was this plane not hit by a truck at EWR a few months back?

Tbat should not be a big issue, it's not that uncommon and fixable, even in pressurized areas.
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:24 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
As an aside, it says something about Air India's reputation on a.net that when one of their airframes sits for more than a few days or has more than one panel open, the assumption is it's being scrapped

What's troublesome is that these new airplanes are extremely expensive, and for them to generate profit, they must remain in the air, filled reasonably well in revenue service. Occasionally this isn't possible, but generally well run profitable airlines keep their planes filled and flying to cover their monthly expenses and then make a profit off the top.

Air India, a massively unprofitable airline, routinely has brand new planes sitting around for months or years on the ground (currently they have this 777-300ER, a 2 year old 787-8 [VT-ANI], and three 777-200LRs [VT-ALF, ALG, ALH] out of revenue service). They still have to pay for these planes every month, even thought they're not making any revenue off them. This would be an unthinkable scenario for any private airline if it were to want to stay in business.
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:30 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
As an aside, it says something about Air India's reputation on a.net that when one of their airframes sits for more than a few days or has more than one panel open, the assumption is it's being scrapped.

   That is my thought too! I think AI has issues to correct, but this airframe should be paid by insurance.


Ugh oh... isn't AI government (thus self) insured?   

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
Air India, a massively unprofitable airline, routinely has brand new planes sitting around for months or years on the ground (currently they have this 777-300ER, a 2 year old 787-8 [VT-ANI], and three 777-200LRs [VT-ALF, ALG, ALH] out of revenue service). They still have to pay for these planes every month, even thought they're not making any revenue off them. This would be an unthinkable scenario for any private airline if it were to want to stay in business.

100% concur. Their aircraft buying is... random. Kids with darts could do better. They obviously have no utilization plan.

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Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:37 pm

Thanks for clarify,

I didn't know about this frame being hit by a truck, and i was also thinking that EWR is not a scrapping facility but if its damaged beyond worth of repair, it will be cannibalized there and not repaired to be ferried to a scrapping facility in the desert. I'm still questioning why do a major repair outdoors, maybe EWR have not repair facilities to handle a 77W.

Regarding being 3 years old, if the repair cost if high enough insurance will prefer to sell the plane by parts and pay for a new one, in this case they loose less money.

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Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:42 pm

Quoting difrano789 (Reply 7):
I didn't know about this frame being hit by a truck, and i was also thinking that EWR is not a scrapping facility but if its damaged beyond worth of repair, it will be cannibalized there and not repaired to be ferried to a scrapping facility in the desert. I'm still questioning why do a major repair outdoors, maybe EWR have not repair facilities to handle a 77W.

Until like this week it never really felt like summer in the northeast. Very cool summer, probably not too bad outside? Someone from India would be freezing this summer in the mornings, its been such a cool summer matches our very snowy and cold winter. Next summer will probably be super humid and 90 degrees alot LOL
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:19 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
they have this 777-300ER

It will be covered by some insurance, AI's/Cater's/EWR's not sure.

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
777-200LRs [VT-ALF, ALG

Busy evacuating Indians from Iraq and Libya for free of charge. Once fixed ALH may have to join as things get worse. AI never had commercial service there. Guess who took them there.

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
Air India, a massively unprofitable airline
Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
This would be an unthinkable scenario for any private airline if it were to want to stay in business.

Profit making is not a mandate for AI. No private airline will go to EBL to pickup citizens in current conditions. AI employees go without hesitation into war zones to pickup standard citizens. If I recall correctly AI entered Guinness Book of World Records for the most people evacuated by a civil airliner. One of the many reasons GoI bankrolls this enterprise.
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:28 pm

It would be normal in a sect 46/48 repair to remove the Vertical Fin to lessen the stresses in the area..Some would have pulled the Stabilizers as well.. There is scaffolding under the 46/48 join area.. so it is a repair.. scrapping they would just slice it and let it drop.
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:32 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 9):
Busy evacuating Indians from Iraq and Libya for free of charge. Once fixed ALH may have to join as things get worse. AI never had commercial service there. Guess who took them there.

Off topic but, don't AI still have five 747s? Wouldn't those be better for evacuating masses of people, costs be damned? Or are they all sitting around without engines and other parts too?
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:03 pm

Status Of AI 77W VT-ALT In EWR? (by N243NW Aug 20 2014 in Civil Aviation)
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:17 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
Air India, a massively unprofitable airline, routinely has brand new planes sitting around for months or years on the ground (currently they have this 777-300ER, a 2 year old 787-8 [VT-ANI], and three 777-200LRs [VT-ALF, ALG, ALH] out of revenue service). They still have to pay for these planes every month, even thought they're not making any revenue off them.

  

Unprofessional airline, incompetent managers, incapable maintenance, bad airmenship. And this airline recently got into Star Alliance      
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 11):
Off topic but, don't AI still have five 747s? Wouldn't those be better for evacuating masses of people, costs be damned? Or are they all sitting around without engines and other parts too?

I think two 744s are active mainly used to take national leaders like PM and President on long-haul, which is rare. Rest of the time they are on light schedule doing domestic/regional high-density routes.

Its not that the entities controlling these conflict areas are welcoming AI and ready to refuel, so 77L works best because it can do the round trip in best case or at least return to one of the neighboring countries for fuel. BTW two B744s are also on stand by.

Again its not that India can evacuate as many at will. Depends on negotiations with controlling entities.

Finally, In a worst case scenario easy to abandon a 77L than a 744. They are used to sunbathing anyway.
 
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:32 pm

EWR has at least two UA hangers capable of housing this aircraft. Problem is they are surely fully occupied.
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:18 am

Could it be a boeing team fixing the plane? Imagine the cost of that.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:40 am

Quoting hamster (Reply 16):
Could it be a boeing team fixing the plane? Imagine the cost of that.

There might be an AOG team handling it. And while expensive, compared to the lost revenue of having the plane out of service...
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:47 am

Saw a picture of the repair being accomplished a couple days ago. A rather large area of the skin and frames being replaced underneath the horizontal where it was hit.
But aside from that the airport doesn't have to be a "scrapping facility" in order to dispose of airframes. Here at BFM close to a dozen have been scrapped for multiple reasons over the years. Polar 741's, UPS 721's, Northwest DC-9, among a few, with the most recent a US Air 734 now being used as a fire dept trainer. Just throwing out some info.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting difrano789 (Reply 7):
I'm still questioning why do a major repair outdoors, maybe EWR have not repair facilities to handle a 77W.

No different than the ETH 787 at LHR.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:44 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Considering EWR isn't an aircraft recycling facility, it certainly is not going to be scrapped there. And AI is returning their "parts donor" 777-200LR to service ( AI Begins Repair Of Cannibalized 77L (VT-ALH) (by Nimish Aug 28 2014 in Civil Aviation) ), so I am highly doubtful they would scrap a 777-300ER.

Yah, but if a plane is damaged beyond repair, it can be scrapped in situ. See, e.g., N654US at PHL.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:53 am

Interesting it is having repair work done at EWR.

Several years ago, there was an Air India 747-400 that blew several tires at LAX, and had pretty substantial damage. I believe they flew it, at low speed and low altitude to SFO to do repairs at UA's 747 facility.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:23 am

It may be premature to consider this aircraft being scrapped. Recall several years ago where a CO 777 at EWR (I believe on the way to NRT) did a major tail drag on takeoff causing major damage. Special Boeing staff, with CO's EWR mx staff, did major repairs at EWR, taking I believed about 1 month or so where the a/c was airworthy, tested and a short time later, returned to service.

There may have been delays in doing the repair due to the financial situation, politics and management bureaucracy at AI, disputes with insurers and in turn Boeing and UA on payment for the work and use of their facilities, Boeing having such specialist staff available to make the repair, or even getting the parts needed to make the needed repairs.

If you see major parts of this a/c being trucked away to Arizona or the nearby Port Newark with a destination as scrap to China, then I would get worried.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:32 am

The name of thread needs to be changed. Just because the tail is kept on the ground and the engines have been removed, does not mean it is being scrapped. Once the damage is repaired and it is in flyable condition, she will be back in the air.

OT: VT-ALH, (77L), is now being readied and shall fly off to some other operator soon.
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:00 am

That airplane is under repair, It's Not getting scrapped, Where the truck hit was a production break and part of it supports the vertical stabilizer
the Boeing AOG team has engineering drawing probably that has that stabilizer coming off to complete the repairs then go back on when
they're ready to test fly the airplane because it's going to Have to test fly. No telling how long "out of check" the airplane is
or whether it's going to need a major check before returning to revenue service I'll bet it at least needs a Level C check before taking on passengers.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:36 am

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
Air India, a massively unprofitable airline, routinely has brand new planes sitting around for months or years on the ground (currently they have this 777-300ER, a 2 year old 787-8 [VT-ANI], and three 777-200LRs [VT-ALF, ALG, ALH] out of revenue service).

This 777-300ER is not sitting at EWR out of AI's wish. Also, as is evident, AI is making all efforts to bring this aircraft back into service.

VT-ALF did DEL-RUH-DEL-BOM-DEL yesterday. VT-ALG and VT-ALH are currently stored at BOM.

Again, AI has no interest in keeping those 777's on ground for extended period of time and are making all efforts to get rid of these planes. But as others have stated, there is not much demand for the 77L's. Thankfully, EY has shown interest in leasing the final 3 airplanes and hopefully AI would do away with these planes in the near future.

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 11):
don't AI still have five 747s? Wouldn't those be better for evacuating masses of people, costs be damned? Or are they all sitting around without engines and other parts too?

4 744's are in service with Air India (2 currently involved in ferrying the PM and the other 2 involved in scheduled service).
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:42 am

Those images of the Air India 77W, with its tail fin removed and placed on the ground next to the aircraft erect, are eerie.

Why would a catering truck hitting the lower rear fuselage require this? Was the aft pressure bulkhead affected?

And who are these "Flying Food Group" caterers? Never heard of 'em. Why wouldn't AI use United's Chelsea Catering at EWR? I'm confident that Chelsea would not have committed such an act, but maybe they are more expensive than FFG.

 
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:53 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 24):
That airplane is under repair, It's Not getting scrapped, Where the truck hit was a production break and part of it supports the vertical stabilizer

That's the answer. So, nothing to do with the pressure bulkhead?

Removing the tail does seem extreme. How did they do it, a big crane?
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:38 am

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 25):
This 777-300ER is not sitting at EWR out of AI's wish. Also, as is evident, AI is making all efforts to bring this aircraft back into service.

VT-ALF did DEL-RUH-DEL-BOM-DEL yesterday. VT-ALG and VT-ALH are currently stored at BOM.

Again, AI has no interest in keeping those 777's on ground for extended period of time and are making all efforts to get rid of these planes. But as others have stated, there is not much demand for the 77L's. Thankfully, EY has shown interest in leasing the final 3 airplanes and hopefully AI would do away with these planes in the near future.

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 11):
don't AI still have five 747s? Wouldn't those be better for evacuating masses of people, costs be damned? Or are they all sitting around without engines and other parts too?

4 744's are in service with Air India (2 currently involved in ferrying the PM and the other 2 involved in scheduled service).

Do you know what AI does with its 12 777-300ERs?

As far as I know, they fly 4 long-haul routes, hardly efficient utilization...
DEL-LHR daily
BOM-DEL-JFK daily
HYD-DEL-ORD daily
AMD-BOM-EWR daily
JED-BOM 4x weekly
JED-DEL 3x weekly
RUH-BOM daily
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:20 pm

A plane can sit for a while at any airport as long as it doesn't get in the way. There is still that WO DC-10 sitting at BWI.
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:48 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
As an aside, it says something about Air India's reputation on a.net that when one of their airframes sits for more than a few days or has more than one panel open, the assumption is it's being scrapped.

I would think it says more about the reputation of a.netters to jump to conclusions about anything related to AI....
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:36 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 24):
or whether it's going to need a major check before returning to revenue service I'll bet it at least needs a Level C check before taking on passengers.

That's a pretty big jump. The "c" level type check on the 777 occurs every 24 months for most operators. Even if it sits for a couple of months all it would likely need is a "a" level check. Those are regularly done on overnights at line stations.

So why take off the vertical? Because Boeing says so. If they damaged the frames that do the main support of the vertical it is off so they can be repaired. It is not really a big deal taking the vertical off Boeings. During HMV for our 737 classics it always came off to inspect the mounts and hardware. Those were held on by six large bolts.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:55 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 13):
Unprofessional airline, incompetent managers, incapable maintenance, bad airmenship.

Read this book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Descent_of_Air_India

Looks like my copy is now a collectors' item!   
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 32):
Looks like my copy is now a collectors' item!

If you have Amazon Prime borrow and read first, because if you are expecting juicy stuff based on the title, placing blame on solely AI, you will be disappointed. Because it debunks all a.net myths about AI.

In summary AI's mgmt didn't have balls to question what GoI asked them to do. Just did even if they knew it was wrong. Just like management of any government entity any where in the world.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 33):
placing blame on solely AI
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 33):
AI's mgmt didn't have balls to question what GoI asked them to do

Having read the book cover to cover, I'd say that everyone comes out of it pretty poorly It's certainly no defence of AI. Nor, of course, does it offer much hope for the future.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:51 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 27):
Removing the tail does seem extreme. How did they do it, a big crane?

re read reply 10.. and yes a crane.. there are two lifting points (one one each side.) once you disconnect the systems electrical and hydraulic, just pull a couple pins and lift away.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:33 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 34):
Nor, of course, does it offer much hope for the future.

Book may not offer much hope but new government definitely does. See the difference in last 60 days.

1) Expedited turn around plan. Since June AI got $1 Billion budget allocation and also $600 Million loan.
2) No more liberal bilaterals.
3) Fired 200 absentee employees who are collecting AI paycheck. 600 more to go.
4) 2000 employees will be transferred to desk jobs with other organizations.
5) Above age 45(later age 35) cabin crew will be transferred to ticketing and other gate functions.
6) Hiring a training company to teach employees on customer facing etiquette.
7) Hiring a consulting company for promote its MRO business.
8) Looking for a partner to setup landing gear overhaul facility.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:49 pm

Looks like it is being put back together as we speak, from twitter:

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Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 18):

Saw a picture of the repair being accomplished a couple days ago. A rather large area of the skin and frames being replaced underneath the horizontal where it was hit.

It will be interesting to see how a carbon fiber fuselage does in this situation.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:07 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 36):
Book may not offer much hope but new government definitely does. See the difference in last 60 days.

I would be more interested to see what GoI's response would be to Dr. Swamy's plea in the Supreme Court against the 9W-EY Deal. If the govt. really stands in support of Dr. Swamy, then only I would think that the govt. is really serious about turning around AI. Otherwise it would be another hand in glove affair with its predecessors, with nobody responsible for AI's downfall being brought behind the bars. The Current Minister of State for Civil Aviation has already given his approval to the 9W-EY deal, so it would be interesting to see what final stand the Modi government takes in the Supreme Court.

Moreover, we have had many consultants hired by the ex-government as well. What results have they produced? And if they ground all FA's beyond the age of 35 and put them in Ticketing / Gate Agent roles, then what would those outsourced SATS agents do? As such half of AI's commercial department does nothing apart from loitering around near the check-in counters, purely because the ex-government wanted younger faces from SATS to checkin pax at the airport.

Also its a real shame that despite repeated requests by *A team, the Modi Government has given only a 3 month extension to AI's current CMD Raghu Nandan. He is by far the best CMD AI has had in the past decade, who could seamlessly steer AI for the next 2 years.

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 28):
Do you know what AI does with its 12 777-300ERs?

As far as I know, they fly 4 long-haul routes, hardly efficient utilization...
DEL-LHR daily
BOM-DEL-JFK daily
HYD-DEL-ORD daily
AMD-BOM-EWR daily
JED-BOM 4x weekly
JED-DEL 3x weekly
RUH-BOM daily

The 77W also does RUH - CCJ / COK. This keeps 9 / 12 77W's utilized on a daily basis. They could also move HYD - JED and COK - CCJ - JED from the 744 to the 77W and do away with the 744's. Hence, better utilizing the 77W fleet.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting difrano789 (Reply 7):
I'm still questioning why do a major repair outdoors, maybe EWR have not repair facilities to handle a 77W.

Repairs can be done anywhere. From time to time - they may be put on hold due to wind.

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 21):
Several years ago, there was an Air India 747-400 that blew several tires at LAX, and had pretty substantial damage. I believe they flew it, at low speed and low altitude to SFO to do repairs at UA's 747 facility

The airplane was fixed and returned to service at LAX.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 24):
No telling how long "out of check" the airplane is
or whether it's going to need a major check before returning to revenue service I'll bet it at least needs a Level C check before taking on passengers.

Negative.
The repair and subsequent test flight will be enough to return it to service.
A plane under going repairs like this gets put in a short term storage program. It will keep servicing current.


Quoting difrano789 (Reply 7):
And who are these "Flying Food Group" caterers? Never heard of 'em. Why wouldn't AI use United's Chelsea Catering at EWR? I'm confident that Chelsea would not have committed such an act, but maybe they are more expensive than FFG
They are at most major airports. Any catering company could have had this accident. It is more about the factors that cause it then the name on the truck.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:07 pm

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 40):
Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 21):
Several years ago, there was an Air India 747-400 that blew several tires at LAX, and had pretty substantial damage. I believe they flew it, at low speed and low altitude to SFO to do repairs at UA's 747 facility

The airplane was fixed and returned to service at LAX.

No it was not.

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 39):
The 77W also does RUH - CCJ / COK. This keeps 9 / 12 77W's utilized on a daily basis. They could also move HYD - JED and COK - CCJ - JED from the 744 to the 77W and do away with the 744's. Hence, better utilizing the 77W fleet.

So are 3 777-300ERs in storage? I am sure they can wet-lease these out if they can't fill them.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:38 pm

Quoting KC135R (Reply 37):
Looks like it is being put back together as we speak, from twitter:
Almost there! The has been a ~3 hour process for the Boeing team. Also, hole is now patched.

Shattered dreams and hopes of lot of a.nutters.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 37):
Engine still missing.

There is still hope.
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:11 am

Quoting mham001 (Reply 38):
It will be interesting to see how a carbon fiber fuselage does in this situation.

They would just pressurize the fuselage and pop the dent out..   
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:13 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 43):
They would just pressurize the fuselage and pop the dent out..

Do you know how to fix carbon fiber? Obviously NOT!! A carbon Fiber damage like that 777 would have to be cut out
a new patch manufactured or procured, than the wet layup repair installed, vacuum bagged, and cured under temperature for some
ungodly amount of time. Primed, static coated, and Painted. I would say 2-3 weeks at best. And that's at a hangar with proper facilities
unledd the Boeing AOG team does the work.
Were I AI? I'd Fire that catering company !! Either they failed to maintain their trucks or they hired STUPID operators OR BOTH!
That airplane Averaged $350/ Hour out of service cost for a preventable accident.
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:31 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 44):
Do you know how to fix carbon fiber?

It was a joke.. OK? However the 777 does not have carbon fiber 46/48 sections.. this in an aluminum rib, stringer, skin repair.. simple, easy, done many times in worse weather, muddy fields, etc.

as far a carbon fiber repairs, look at the ET plane .. they cut the patch from a larger specially laid up contoured skin panel, cold boned it in place in a tent .. then applied local heat curing.

unledd??? must be a new process?
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 41):
So are 3 777-300ERs in storage? I am sure they can wet-lease these out if they can't fill them.

No. All 11 77W's are in service except ALT.
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:37 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 43):
They would just pressurize the fuselage and pop the dent out..

     
you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:25 am

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 40):
Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 21):
Several years ago, there was an Air India 747-400 that blew several tires at LAX, and had pretty substantial damage. I believe they flew it, at low speed and low altitude to SFO to do repairs at UA's 747 facility

The airplane was fixed and returned to service at LAX.
Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 41):
No it was not.

Why don't you guys just get accurate info?

Air India Arrives In SFO (okay It's VT-AIM) (by BN747 Feb 7 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Quote:
VT-AIM has finally left LAX (yesterday) after repairs from the blown tires/damage-gear--that penetrated the fuselage and star-board leading edge stabilizer. Apparently, she'll be in SFO for a while as she has to undergo Re-Certification.
International Homo of Mystery
 
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