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Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Wed Nov 08, 2000 5:51 pm

The Caledonian Wings project continues to move towards launch, as is shown in this article from a Scottish business newspaper:

http://www.businessam.co.uk/TodaysPaper/TodaysArticles/0,2090,3423,00.html

I'd like to think that this may result in a slight change of attitude by certain members - but knowing human nature, probably not!   
 
trintocan
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RE: [b]Caledonian Wings Is For Real![/b]

Wed Nov 08, 2000 6:16 pm

What is the latest with respect to Wings' acquisition of BWIA's TriStars? It was reported in the local media that the negotiations had hit a snag.

Just curious.

Trintocan.
Hop to it, fly for life!
 
Granite
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RE: [b]Caledonian Wings Is For Real![/b]

Wed Nov 08, 2000 6:43 pm

Hi Neil

I'll start stocking up on the film  

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Wed Nov 08, 2000 11:41 pm

Which goes to proove what? That Neil spoke to a reporter? Why have we seen nothing in the aviation press?
Caledonian Wings Is For Real! ... get real.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 2:34 am

I happen to believe the guy and I wish him good luck for it. The sooner the better i say, Prestwick could do with more airlines.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 3:10 am

I see that I was right about human nature - and that F_boot can't read.    

Trintocan - see http://www.celticairways.com/BWIA.html for the whole story.

F_boot you'll be able to read all about it in the aviation press as well, shortly!
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 4:27 am

I hope the Odyssey Group isn't any relation to this one!


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Caz Caswell

 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 4:30 am

Nope, but nice livery though!
 
Guest

RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 5:29 am

Neil
Nice to hear some more news just curious didnt mention nothing about YHM or canada at all for a matter of fact did you scrap that route?

 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 6:04 am

Oi - Geez a joab
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 6:09 am

It looks like YHM will see twice weekly serivce to SNN and on to PIK. According to Neil's webiste YHM will be served on Thursdays and Saturdays.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 6:51 am

People are just never happy. Ceilidh just give out the porve and there is still people not beleving him. Anyways I wish you good luck Ceilidh and I hope Caledonian Wings will in the future come see us in Montreal  

Nicolas - Montreal
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 2:59 pm

Thanks for the info. That web site contains a real wealth of information for TriStar fans like myself, too! Again, thanks Ceilidh.

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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 3:59 pm

Sounds great! I wish you the best, Neil!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 5:02 pm

Westjet_yhm - Sandy McDougall and I are putting out a press release shortly about services to YHM.

Thanks to the rest of you for your support - it's very hard work doing this, and we're still a long way off being airborne yet. Still, things are looking very good indeed!
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Thu Nov 09, 2000 6:51 pm

Hi Neil

Still need info on the livery.......what are your ideas?
Name for your inflight magazine?
Business and economy class section names?

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:14 am

Gary, per http://www.celticairways.com, you will see that the the first class section has been named "Chieftan" and the economy section is "Clansman"

Description of Cheiftan Class:
http://www.celticairways.com/Jclass.html

Description of Clansman Class:
http://www.celticairways.com/Yclass.html
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:53 am

Gary - I'm still open to suggestions for the livery - we're looking at various designs at the moment. Personally, I favour tartan tails (all different) or photographic images of Scotland a la Frontier - my colleagues like the Saltire and lion rampant (which is out because of its connection with BCal/CKT)

Anyone have any suggestions?
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:21 am

Neil - I would not go with the tartan tail that is all different. I would go with a business look like AA, United, BM. But I do think it is important to have something to do with Scotland (maybe names or something). I do not know too much about Scotland, but I would definately go with a business look!
Iain
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:26 am

Neil,

Continued good wishes on getting this business venture up in the air. I sincerely hope to be on a Caledonian Wings aircraft one day!
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:45 am

Iain - remember we're more charter/leisure oriented. The staid, corporate looks are also something I'm trying to avoid a bit - obviously I don't want to go too OTT - but at the end of the day, it has to be something that is very distinctive.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:56 am

Neil,

I wish I was an artist because I appreciate good image/looks/livery (like many ppl on this forum) yet have no way to visualize my ideas.

Anyway, how about something lie a light grey body "Caledonian Wings" in billboard (Pan Am Style, but different typescript entirely) titling in a dark green jovial looking font. Than perhaps you could have a small image of the Scottish flag waving (somewhat Olympic 717 style) and than on the tail yeah a picture (Frontier stlye) of beautiful Scottish higlands. Have your URL displayed clearly too.

See the flag:

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Mathias Henig

 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 4:51 am

Not too reassuring, the comment from Delta:
"The letter of intent still being worked on".
If a letter of intent is "still being worked on", where's the intent?

-caravelle
Trains and boats and planes....
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 5:09 am

Neil - I think I understand a bit more now, are you looking for a more fun look then UA and others. Have you thought of having a theme on each aircraft, maybe use Scottish castles, or things typically Scottish, like a lockness theme!!
Iain
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 5:10 am

My posting referred to a quote in Ceildhs original link. Forgot to say.... Busy night tonight...  

-caravelle
Trains and boats and planes....
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 4:44 pm

Caravelle - the LOI is a very important document, as it forms the basis for the final purchase agreement. The most important part of it is the pricing and details of exactly what's included in the package. You'll appreciate that this is not something that can be rushed!
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 10, 2000 6:12 pm

Hi

Well for livery, nothing too 'cheap' looking or 'tacky'

Rampant Lion and Saltire not good either.

Something stylized like the SRU thistle. That looks good but obviously can't use that. 'Frontier' style tails look good but will be expensive.

How about a 'Winged Nessie' on the tail  

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sat Nov 11, 2000 3:54 am

Ceilidh -
I know full well what a letter of intent is. Less than a contract by far, less than a promise - for sure.
I really wish you all the best, and I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I have my doubts. I'm sorry to say.

-caravelle
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sat Nov 11, 2000 5:49 am

How about a livery with a West Highland sunset on the tail and a Pictish symbol or something similar?

Fuselage could reflect this and the lettering in the typeface "Unicel" - the stuff that looks Irish/Scottish?

I think each a/c should have a name. How many will you have - four in service maybe? How about "Schiehallion" "Braeriach" "Suilven" "Roineval" - all mountains in the Highlands

Cheers

scotty

 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sat Nov 11, 2000 6:07 am

I like the each aircraft having a name!
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sat Nov 11, 2000 4:54 pm

Caravelle - sorry, but you obviously don't know what an LOI is (I'd say you're thinking of an MOU) - an LOI requires the payment of a deposit (in this case amounting in the millions of dollars).

Scotty - hmm, send me your idea? Certainly, each aircraft will be named. Don't know what yet, open to suggestions! I think we'll have six aircraft on line within a couple of years.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sat Nov 11, 2000 8:46 pm

For Scottish-themed names, what about "8 Pints Of Lager And A Kebab", "8 Pints Of Export And A Kebab", "8 Whiskies And A Kebab", etc?

But seriously, I think the names should be more easily pronounceable than some of the Gaelic names. Castles and Cities have been done by BA. What about famous Scots like John Logie Baird, Robert the Bruce, Flora MacDonald, Sean Connery, er... David Livingstone (OK, scratch that last one!)?
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 12:41 am

Actually, I thought "Tennants" and "McEwans" would be good names!

Unfortunately, all of the names you suggested (with the exception of Sir Sean) were used by BCal (including David Livingstone - The Scottish Explorer, which was the name of DC10-30 G-BFGI).
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 5:17 am

Foiled again. Some people never learn.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 6:41 am

The other DC10-30 was "Robert Burns - the Scottish Bard" so I suggest "Heather the Weather - the Scottish Burd"

or

"Frank MacAvennie - the Scottish Barred"

or

"Samuel Dow - the Scottish Bar" after a well known Glasgow hostelry

Cant get much worse. Seriously though, Ceilidh, I cant draw for toffee but if I can find a line image of an L1011, I'll try and put a colour scheme on it and e-mail you.

Scotty
 
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Are You Scots Forgetting...

Sun Nov 12, 2000 7:27 am

Hi all

Still thinking of names for aircraft?

Have you all forgotten about naming them after people:

Daphne, Maggie, Hen..........get my drift!

A nice shot of granpaw smoking his pipe  

Only kidding.

Regards
Gary
Aberdeen
 
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Are You Scots Forgetting...

Sun Nov 12, 2000 7:27 am

Hi all

Still thinking of names for aircraft?

Have you all forgotten about naming them after people:

Daphne, Maggie, Hen..........get my drift!

A nice shot of granpaw smoking his pipe  

Only kidding.

Regards
Gary
Aberdeen
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 8:46 am

Would the Broons include Craig? Or Gordon?
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 4:25 pm

Flagship Oor Wullie   

(I feel rather sorry for all the non-Scots reading this, as they won't have a clue what we're chuntering on about. On second thoughts, they probably don't care anyway!)
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 5:06 pm

Neil-

Where on the DOT website did you come across the operating cost comparison chart for the aircraft (on your website)? Was it off of the BTS.GOV site, or through a "DOT BOT" search?

Thanks,

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 5:27 pm

FLY777UAL - it was from the Aerospace Almanac, published by Phillips. I've also seen the figures published in Air Transport World and similar magazines.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Sun Nov 12, 2000 5:29 pm

Aaahhh...Thanks!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
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Ceilidh, RE 11.11.00

Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:04 am

Ceilidh:
Haven't been here for a few days, so I didn't catch your reply until now, but if you say so....
Sure, an LOI would usually involve lawyers' money and, if you're close, a few guarantees, but correct me if I'm wrong: You didn't pay a Scottish quid up front, did you?

My two main points remain:
1. This is no contract. It's an intention.
2. I wish you all the best.
And as this thread is once again in the top forty on this forum, any updates would be great.

-caravelle
Trains and boats and planes....
 
Guest

RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:23 am

Still all just wind and waffle ...
 
Guest

RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:43 am

Caravelle - nope, you're wrong. We have to pay 20% of the total agreed purchase price as 'earnest money'. That comes to rather a substantial amount of money - and all of it in Yankee dollars, not Scottish pounds!

Yes, of course it's not a contract but it sets out the base terms of the final deal. The lawyers will spend the next X weeks consuming a rainforest or two of paper, and run up their usual astronomical fees.

Any updates will be posted on the website http://www.celticairways.com/

Thanks for your good wishes!   
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Tue Nov 14, 2000 7:31 am

Ceilidh
When can I expect that press relese you spoke off there was a ful page article in the paper this weekend related to the airport but not even a mention about Caledonian Wings.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:41 pm

It was sent to Sandy last week - he's handling it.
 
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RE: Caledonian Wings Is For Real!

Fri Nov 17, 2000 6:56 am

Ceilhid -
- if you say so. Sounds strange to me, but then we live in different countries. I've bookmarked the link, and will be following your progress.
All the best!

-caravelle
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Ceilidh

Fri Nov 17, 2000 8:15 am

I guess the reason why people are so skeptical is because... um...

Airline CEOs don't usually mingle with us "lower classes." In addition, airline CEOs don't usually spent their time purusing internet forums (especially Airliners.net forums!).

With that said, I'm a believer. I wish you the best of luck on this little venture.

I'd recommend installing DirecTV at every seat. JetBlue has had great success with it.

- Neil Harrison
 
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Ceilidh

Fri Nov 17, 2000 8:15 am

I guess the reason why people are so skeptical is because... um...

Airline CEOs don't usually mingle with us "lower classes." In addition, airline CEOs don't usually spent their time purusing internet forums (especially Airliners.net forums!).

With that said, I'm a believer. I wish you the best of luck on this little venture.

I'd recommend installing DirecTV at every seat. JetBlue has had great success with it.

- Neil Harrison

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