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A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 11:59 am

Do you think they will upgrade to a 744 or 747X?

Could it be a 777?

What do you think?
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 12:15 pm

I'm no expert...but I don't think they'd go with the 777 because it only has two engines. If you're carrying one of the most important people in the world, wouldn't you like four engines backing you up? Just a thought...
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 12:19 pm

I don't think they will upgrade, considering how much time and money it took to modify the two VC25's into what they are now, with confidential anti-missile technology and all sorts of things on it.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 12:24 pm

Maybe a A330 or an A340!!!
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 12:30 pm

Considering the 2 VC-25As, modified Boeing 747-200Bs, each cost $500 Million a piece, I don't think they will upgrade for another 5-10 years.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 1:06 pm

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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 1:15 pm

How old is Air Force One, anyway? Isn't it fairly new? (Lest than 10 years?)

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RE: Age Of Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:20 pm

I'd put it around 10 years old. It came into service when George W Bush Senior was President.

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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 2:30 pm

Those VC25s will be around at least another 20 years. Heck, the last Air Force One (707) lasted about 30 years, right?
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:13 pm

Just as a point of clarification Air Force 1 is the name for the a/c that has the american president aboard it. If there was some technical problem that happened and neither the president's 742 or the Vice President's 757 were available and he (god forbid) took an airline like SouthWest or whatever, (although that'd never happen) that aircraft would be considered Air Force One. The single most important air craft to any pilot, soldier, govt official and should also be in the average american's eyes as well. Remember in the Movie Air Force One with Harisson Ford, after the president borded that military prop? Same thing goes with his helicopters too. That plane was Air Force One until the president deboarded its stairs. I just wanted to make that clear in case anyone didn't know that point of info. I do think that AF1 does have a few (to say the least) more years left in service. It is a hell of a lot nicer than any other 747.
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:18 pm

You have to remember also that the airplane that it replaced was a 707. There is no reason to belive that the 747's are going have any shorter lives.
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:21 pm

They are not used as much as commercail airliners and taken great care off, they are probably here for much much longer!
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 3:26 pm

And correct me if I am wrong the old Presidental VC-137s are still in use.
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 4:31 pm

No the VC-137's are no longer in service they have been replaced by the C-32A's.
The VC-25A will be around for a long time.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 4:36 pm

They should upgrade to a A3XX.  

The top level all for the President and his family and the bottom for everyone else.

just jokin!  
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Fri Nov 10, 2000 4:56 pm

Air Force One (VC-25A) is a 747-200 but is actually kind of made into a 400. I've heard it has the same engines and an all glass cockpit. It is used so little that the aircraft could fly so many more years than the airliner equivelent. The KC-135's and B-52's will prove that flying into the year 2030 or later. -Ryan
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 1:27 am

If the VC-25A was a human body, the skin would be a 747-200B (aside from the engines), and the innards would be a 747-400.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 1:44 am

They'll be around at least another 20 years. They're both thirteen years old (in service for ten) and only have around 6,000 hours each. A commercial 747 racks up that much in about two years.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 4:23 am

Why would they want to switch planes??

As someone said above, the two VC-25A's built are relatively new and also have been extremely well-cared for. The only thing the VC-25A's will likely need are new engines sometime down the road (either upgraded GE CF6-80's with new combustors for better fuel efficiency and lower exhaust emissions or a variant of the Engine Alliance GP7000 engine) and possible electronics upgrades--probably about five years from now.
 
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RE: Aio86

Sat Nov 11, 2000 6:05 am

Actually, the helicopter's call sign is Marine One because the Marines operate the helicopter. The Air Force operates the VC-25A so its called Air Force One. If it were a Navy plane it would be called Navy One, same with the Army it would be called Army One.
 
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RE: Pacific

Sat Nov 11, 2000 8:47 am

Pacific-

Actually, there is no George Bush Jr/Sr.

There is George H. W. Bush (The older one), and his son, George W. Bush.

(George Herbert Walker Bush-George Walker Bush)

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RE: Pacific

Sat Nov 11, 2000 9:34 am

Does the presidential 747 have the range of a -400 or a -200?
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 9:38 am

Much more range than the -400, especially when combined with the mid-air refueling capabilities AF1 has.

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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 11:11 am

I agree with Ray's comments above. We spent enough tax dollars on those 2. Besides, they are extreemly well cared for and should last another 18-22 years. Keep in mind, the first 707's that entered the presidential fleet in 59-62 were still in service in the VIP fleet until just recently when finally replaced by 757's. Boeing builds them, and the taxpayers keep them in great shape!
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 11:44 am

I agree with Ray's comments above. We spent enough tax dollars on those 2. Besides, they are extreemly well cared for and should last another 18-22 years. Keep in mind, the first 707's that entered the presidential fleet in 59-62 were still in service in the VIP fleet until just recently when finally replaced by 757's. Boeing builds them, and the taxpayers keep them in great shape!
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 9:11 pm

For the sake of the Republic, please never place the President in anything airbus makes. That would be akin to attempted assasination. If it's not Boeing, I'm not going!
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 9:29 pm

why doesnt the president fly with a 2 man crew if it so much better than a 3 man crew. the VC-25 has a 4 man flight crew 2 pilots , 1 flight engineer and 1 nav. hmmm i would think he would want to fly on the safest type of crew like a 1 man or 2 man crew. 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 11:29 pm

Galaxy5, you forgot something...That is a Government project!
 
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RE: Aio86

Sun Nov 12, 2000 6:35 am

Further to Woody's comments, if the US President was flying on a commercial jet, it adopts the callsign 'Executive One', not 'Air Force One'.

If a member of the first family is travelling by commercial jet, it becomes 'Executive Two Foxtrot'. If a member of the Vice President's family is travelling on board an Air Force aircraft, then it's 'Air Force Two Foxtrot' etc...
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 11:09 am

Im not american, but correct me if Im wrong.
The green helicopter the president uses is called marine one.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 11:37 am

If the VC-137's lasted 25years, why would the 747 version only last 10?


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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 3:11 pm

When Did I say anything about AFO being retired right now?

I'm talking about the future AFO, maybe in 10 or so years, they might get a 747X or 777-300, who knows?

The point of this topic was to share different opinions about what the next AFO will be.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 6:42 pm

they would never get a 777.
747 allways.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 8:32 pm

The Air Force one actually has new GE CF6 80C2 similiar to a 744`s. Don`t know for sure about that glass cockpit and all, but I`d be really happy if I could go on a flight on it...
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 9:30 pm

Raggi wrote:
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The Air Force one actually has new GE CF6 80C2 similiar to a 744`s. Don`t know for sure about that glass cockpit and all, but I`d be really happy if I could go on a flight on it...
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Actually, the engines used on the current VC-25A's are essentially the same CF6-50 engines used on later-production 747-200B's, only modified to the strict standards used by the USAF for the VC-25A and E-4B.

I still think that about five years from now we'll be seeing either a much-upgraded CF6-80 variant (similar to what's being used on the Airbus A330) or an Engine Alliance GP7000 series engine on the VC-25A.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 3:03 am

The innards of the President's plane cost far more than the airframe itself. With the low hours on the current aircraft and the improved new engines, there would be no justification for a replacement even in today's boom times.
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:34 am

They are sticking with the current 747-200 model because it has air refueling capability that the 777 doen't have.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:35 am

They are sticking with the current 747-200 model because it has air refueling capability that the 777 doesn't have.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:54 am

It would be cool if the plane had 4 GE90 engines! Sorry about the George H W Bush and George W Bush. I re-watched a documentary about AF1 and the planes were delivered in 1990.
The names Air Force One, Marine One, etc. came after two planes, one ther pres's and another, a commercial plane almost had an accident because they had the same tail numbers and both acknowledged the ATC.
The movie made an error as that prop plane at the end is an army plane so the callsigh should have been ARMY ONE.

Pacific
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 9:04 am

I think that in the future the gov't will buy a 747 derivitive. I think that the whole Boeing vs. Airbus argument is bunk because both build planes that have good and bad things about them, however the U.S. gov't wouldn't buy an Airbus for the next AF1 because they would buy the American product over a foreign product.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 9:22 am

Wait and see.
An AF1 used to last for thirty years. So why shouldn't we just continue this thread in year 2020...
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 11:12 am

Yeah, there is no reason to replace AF1 for a long time. When it happens, expect something big, with four engines, fast, and American-made. I seriously doubt that they would buy something european, simply b/c it would be simpler to keep it in the US, security-wise and all. Still, there is no reason to replace the current ones(VC25's??) for a long while.

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RE: Tom2katie

Mon Nov 13, 2000 12:35 pm

How dare you say something like that about Airbus? They make very nice airliners, the A320 is a seventh heaven over the 737. So you would rather fly a 737-200 built in the 70s or a brand new A320? If that question requires thinking, you've got problems man.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 12:45 pm

No, in the movie Air Force One, the prop aircraft was owned by the Air Force. The call sign change was legit.

Kona, if national sovereigns bought strictly according to quality, then our president wouldn't drive around in a Cadillac. He'd ride a Benz. Trust me, as long as the American industry isn't THAT far behind European industry (i.e, the President wouldn't take a 707 if an A330 was available) the president would take the American product. The flap would be incredible if the aircraft with "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" on the side was made in Toulouse.

I think that the VC-25 ought to get a Stretched Upper Deck modification so as to increase the space up there for communications equipment. Adding the winglets, the president's aircraft would look like a 747-400 and prevent a national symbol from looking archaic.
 
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RE: A New Air Force One?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 2:48 pm

I completely forgot about it!

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RE: A New Air Force One?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 3:35 am

RayChuang:

The E4B (upgraded from the earlier E4A) has the CF6-50s. But the VC-25A definately has the CF6-80, the CF6-80C2B1 to be exact, generating 56,700 pounds of thrust apiece.

If you don't believe me, check out Bill Harm's web site. Or better yet....

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/VC_25A___Air_Force_One.html

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