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New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 2:27 am

i was just thinking TWA is fastly growing right now. Do you think they need another hub? I know they have focus cities at LAX and SJU and their JFK hub, but thats been going doen the hole lately (JFK hub). So do you think this is needed? an where would be a good place for it?

I am guessing New Orleans, biggest city in the US without a hub carrier right now.

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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 2:32 am

Except for San Diego. But I do think NO would be a good choice.

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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 2:34 am

I'm not sure TWA really needs a new hub either. by the way, is Boston a genuine hub for any carrier?
 
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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 2:37 am

BOS is a hub for Delta, although not big it has i think about 60 destinations. Also, Buisness Express/American Eagle have a hub there.

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PS Boston and San Diego are too much in the corner of the country to really expand nationally. no one from MCI would fly MCI-BOS-MIA or MCI-SAN-MIA if they were going to Miami.
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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 4:11 am

AA also has a hub at BOS. TWA used to have a small hub at DFW a couple of years back, they served HNL,and a whole bunch of other cities, they might want to try DFW again. I think NO would be a good place to have a hub, TWA should look at New Orleans.
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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 4:22 am

Basically this question is disguised as one asking where the best new focus city should be. TWA doen't have the resources to start a full scale new hub and very few airports (if any) in the US can accomodate a new true hub operation.

So, in order to expand TWA has decided to open new focus city operations in cities that either can support a second large carrier (SJU) or in ones where they can fly to routes under served by existing carriers (LAX and JFK). This is their strategy. In addition, they are adding these "saturday subsidized flights from JFK, EWR, and BOS to points in the Carribean were TW sells the entire aircraft to a vacation distributor who couples the seats with hotel rooms and sells the package for profit. This work is guaranteed profit, albeit not huge).

So where will the next TW focus city be? Well SJU is seeing activity with three new daily flights to MIA and an additional daily flight to STL.

LAX will see additional Hawaiian flying with LIH opened first and an HNL and OGG opening rhumored.

I would rule out MSY as a new focus city for several reasons all discussed before. The most important being that TW has tried it before with flights to DFW, MEX, and JFK, all of which were cut or will be soon. The SAT flight may become a tag of STL-MSY.
 
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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 4:31 am

United is the only US Carrier serving Lihue from the mainland

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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 11:34 am

I also heard that FLL was becoming a focus city for TWA. I really don't think that they will establish themselves too much in SJU, as the market is really not big enough to support more than one hub by different airlines.
 
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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 12:14 pm

Blink, TWA has never had any significant operations at DFW. They have flown to St. Louis and JFK, that's about it. They have never flown to Honolulu from DFW.
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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 2:36 pm

Segment King,

TWA will begin service to LIH in February I believe. (Service out of LAX) ending travellers lack of choices and their subjection to UAs poor service, delays and monopoly on the route.

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RE: New Hub Needed For Twa? What Do You Think?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 12:05 am

Maybe. TWA's focus cities aren't large enough to be considered 'hubs,' in comparison to STL or the Big 6/ Oligopoly-carrier hubs. TWA needs to assess whether its current one-hub-plus-focus cities size, is a "critical mass" that can support it in the current industry structure.

TWA has demonstrated its ability to survive despite the giant Karabu leech stuck to its aorta, an accomplishment in itself. But until 2003 at least, they need to figure in that parasite if they want to make large capital expenditures to build another huge hub. So if TWA determines that they need to add a full large hub, I see two options.

First, merger. We've discussed the merits of a merger with US, whose route system and fleet compliment TW well. TW largely does not compete with US. A merger would only cement US's position as a Big 6 carrier, without spurring an anticompetitive consolidation frenzy. But due to Karabu's poison pill provision, a merger would not be wise until after 2003. (For which Carl Icahn should suffer the fate of the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail ;+) ).

Second, building a hub. I don't see any part of the country right now whose infrastructure could support a new sui-generis major airline hub. The focus-city arrangment allows TWA to grow without overly taxing infrastructure or its own financial structure.

So I'd say, TWA should stick with its STL-plus-focus-cities structure, and look forward to 2003. At which date it can say to Icahn, "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries--thbfffff! thbbffff!" and will have the freedom to move.

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