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Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:18 pm

We have the first A350 in service since Jan. 15th with Qatars daily flights 067 + 068 between DOH and FRA.
For this event we had an own thread for a couple of days.

I propose this thread for all topics besides production&delivery (see own thread):
Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):A350 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 3

I think we'll have enough things to discuss/share separately.

From what I have seen since Jan. 15th.:
All flight operated by A7-ALA were on-time, BUT we had four equipment changes:
Two out of DOH and one in FRA with a two day break. The ferry flight back to DOH was just yesterday.
Today the A350 is back on this route.

I haven't seen 100% confirmations for the equipment changes.
Technical problems, MX, carpet change   ,... ).
Two things I've read:
- 1st one aileron actuator problem
- problem with engine hydraulics

Maybe we can get some clarification on this.

Thank you and happy posting!
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:07 am

The "A350 in service" seems to be a boring topic... No news, just the daily scheduled flight (on-time) between FRA and DOH.
 
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There's little to report with just one aircraft in service.
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:20 am

Quoting BobMUC (Reply 1):
The "A350 in service" seems to be a boring topic... No news, just the daily scheduled flight (on-time) between FRA and DOH.

Funny how you propose a thread and you declare it boring a couple of days later  
 
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:41 am

Quoting steman (Reply 3):
Funny how you propose a thread and you declare it boring a couple of days later

Maybe I should have phrased it a little bit different... No news are good news, at least for the A350, but not for a thread on a.net...  
 
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Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:46 pm

Well, if you want more drama, the substitutions can be considered as A350 cancellations. With service starting on 15 Jan, there was the potential for 46 flights. Four cancellations would mean the A350 dispatch rate is 91.3%.

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Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:59 am

There's been a lot of debate on how the A350 and B787 would or should co-exist within the same airline (i.e. are they complimentary and belong within a same airline or are they competing and airlines should chose one or the other). With Qatar saying that they should definitely co-exist hence ordering both, people have been speculating on how the A350 would slot in to the fleet. Some said the A350 would be used on longer routes to the Americas and/or Australasia while the B787 would continue being used on second tier European and Asian routes.

Interestingly, Qatar has now detailed plans for their first 5 A350s and all of them are/will be used as replacement on current 787 routes (2x FRA + 3x SIN). So Qatar, initially at least, seems to be using the A350 on routes where it wants a capacity up gauge on current 787 routes rather than be used in completely different markets.

Time will tell whether this is a trend for a all airlines operating both types (or even for Qatar itself over time) but nonetheless an interesting stat and/or trend.

not sure if this belongs here or elsewhere but this thread seem to need something to talk about!

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Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 6):
Interestingly, Qatar has now detailed plans for their first 5 A350s and all of them are/will be used as replacement on current 787 routes (2x FRA + 3x SIN).

They will be able to do some accurate comparisons on the economics of each aircraft.

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Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 6):
So Qatar, initially at least, seems to be using the A350 on routes where it wants a capacity up gauge on current 787 routes rather than be used in completely different markets.

Time will tell whether this is a trend for a all airlines operating both types (or even for Qatar itself over time) but nonetheless an interesting stat and/or trend.

Are they launching new routes with the 787-8? If so, they could be using the 787-8 as the initial service and then move to the A350-900 as they become available.

Eventually QR will be retiring their A330-200s, so it stands to reason half of the 787-8 fleet will be used to replace those frames on those routes with the other half for new routes. And I could see half of the A350-900s replacing existing A330-300 and 777-200LR frames on those routes, leaving the rest for expansion.
 
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Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 6):
So Qatar, initially at least, seems to be using the A350 on routes where it wants a capacity up gauge on current 787 routes rather than be used in completely different markets.

As far as I know, both the main manufacturers learned 'early' that direct competition between their respective models should be avoided whenever possible. It already looks as if Airbus 'got it right,' and the A350 (two models of it, anyway) 'neatly' fills the gap between the B787 and the B777. That's as it should be, IMO - and there's little room for doubt that the A350 will succeed, while the B787 and the B777 go on doing good business on either side of it.

But, going 'off-topic' a bit, I think that the future 'burning question' will be how far the A350 can be 'stretched' to compete with the larger B777s that Boeing is currently developing. Given that the B748 is clearly on its way out, these are clearly aimed at filling the 'over-400-seat gap' between current B777s and the A380. If the already-proposed 'larger 777s' can in fact compete directly with the A380 (largely because they'll only require two engines) Airbus may, in my view, have to 'go straight on' and start developing some sort of 'A370' to stay in the game in say five years' time?

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Quoting Nav30 (Reply 9):
Airbus may, in my view, have to 'go straight on' and start developing some sort of 'A370' to stay in the game in say five years' time?

While EK screams for the A380 NEO? Not likely. They would be wise to tackle on venture than spread themselves thin on two. I'm thinking that if they go forward with the NEO, it would eliminate the need for a new plane ie A350-1100/A370. I just took a look at the orders for the A351 and saw no cabin layouts yet. Too soon?
 
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:24 am

Interesting topic.

I was on QR68/67 two weeks ago and was following Flightradar to see if A7-ALA would really show up in FRA. Interestingly I saw that in the first two weeks of service A7-ALA was swapped twice already to a 777 or 787. And last week another two instances.

Is there any detailed info available what exactly happened on those days? I saw some technical staff onboard, but it was related to the Thales IFE which had to be resetted numerous times. The cameras and IFE in general were still a bit buggy. Even the safety demo had to be re-started numerous times and kept interrupting.

I have made two videos of the flights if you want to have a look. In the first one you can hear the interrupting safety demo:

QR68: http://youtu.be/kyRIxlF35ak
QR67: http://youtu.be/9hLaYR4pUVo

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Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:34 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
Is there any detailed info available what exactly happened on those days?

Not much info is available. Apparently there was an issue with the aileron actuator three weeks ago and another issue with engine hydraulics two weeks ago. Not sure about the other days.
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
Not much info is available. Apparently there was an issue with the aileron actuator three weeks ago and another issue with engine hydraulics two weeks ago. Not sure about the other days.

Thanks Karel, saw these comments further up already.

So in one instance the airplane went tech in FRA? Does anyone know how QR adressed the logistical problems, meaning did QR send a replacement aircraft or rebook the passengers onto other flights? While just one aircraft is flying the logistics seem to be a bit more tricky, with qualified crews, ferry flights, etc.

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Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:04 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
Is there any detailed info available what exactly happened on those days?

Not much info is available. Apparently there was an issue with the aileron actuator three weeks ago and another issue with engine hydraulics two weeks ago. Not sure about the other days.

I think it were two instances but lasting more than one day, so more than two flights were replaced each time.
 
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Quoting Loran (Reply 13):
So in one instance the airplane went tech in FRA?

Yes, it arrived in FRA and went tech after landing. According to Twitter reports passengers had to stay in the airplane for about 1 hour before they could de-board.

Quoting Loran (Reply 13):
Does anyone know how QR adressed the logistical problems, meaning did QR send a replacement aircraft or rebook the passengers onto other flights?

Qatar Airways had dispatched replacement equipment (an 787 and 777).
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Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:14 am

A new video from Qatar Airways about the FF on Jan. 15th:

Celebrating the inaugural flight of Qatar Airways' Airbus A350 to Frankfurt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ_k8ZW4Ah0

P.S.: During the last days I haven't seen any equipment changes. The A350 is now in service for more than one month and with the second for QR coming online in a couple of days we hopefully getting more data about the reliability.
Maybe it's time to get some more statements about performance and efficiency from AAB too!  
 
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Quoting BobMUC (Reply 16):
During the last days I haven't seen any equipment changes.

Last change was an 77L on February 13.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...7/history/20150213/0440Z/OTHH/EDDF
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Quoting BobMUC (Reply 16):
Maybe it's time to get some more statements about performance and efficiency from AAB too!

Just saw this one... March 4th might be the day!
http://bloga350.blogspot.de/2015/02/...ceo-will-comment-a350-service.html
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
Last change was an 77L on February 13.

Still no equipment change since February 13. Looking good so far.

Let's see how MSN7 will perform in the coming days.
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Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:45 pm

Ok so the disclaimers first.

1. It is very early days.
2. There is only one revenue service plane flying so far.
3. It hasn't been flawless - but then what frame is.

But I have been quite impressed at the fact that when I have been watching the raccoon has been flying pretty much on time - ok so departure looks late but arrivals is usually ahead of schedule.

There will be lots of glitches to come as flaws are ironed out - BUT so far it does look quite mature.


I know AAB gave some stats that showed very high despatch reliability. I wonder if he was also including the training flights when MSN6 was shuttling back and forth to Sharjah. Each will have had a scheduled time so could have been included.
 
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Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:34 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):

Still no equipment change since February 13. Looking good so far.

Let's see how MSN7 will perform in the coming days.

ALB is flying qr67 today... I guess LA is gone for scheduled maintenance.
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How has passenger feedback been on the A350? As positive as the A380?
 
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Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:28 am

Quoting ap305 (Reply 21):
ALB is flying qr67 today

It seems little post delivery work was required.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 21):
I guess LA is gone for scheduled maintenance.

Standby aircraft   

Anyway, both MSN 6 and 7 should serve FRA tomorrow. Let's see how it goes.
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 21):
ALB is flying qr67 today

Couple photos of ALB at FRA today:

http://www.frankfurt-aviation-friend...e/airbus-a350-frankfurt-operation/
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Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:36 am

Today is the first day that both A350 are in service on the DOH - FRA route:

A7-ALA is flying QTR69/70 (just took off in FRA) and
A7-ALB is flying QTR67/68 (approaching FRA).

A7-ALA + B first day in service.
 
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I just hope but also have the feeling that this thread will become boring  

Airbus seems to have done a wonderful job with introducing a mature product.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:10 am

Maybe one additional piece of the puzzle, why the EIS runs so smooth:

The "EIS Watchtower" program from Airbus:
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...he-a350-xwbs-smooth-service-entry/
 
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Quoting olle (Reply 26):
Airbus seems to have done a wonderful job with introducing a mature product.

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Quoting bobmuc (Reply 27):
The "EIS Watchtower" program from Airbus:
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...he-a350-xwbs-smooth-service-entry/

Very interesting. And it seems to work for Airbus and her launch customer Qatar!  
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
Last change was an 77L on February 13.

It's now more than a month and the A350 was not replaced by another aircraft type during that time.

MSN7 is now also more than a week in service.

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Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:57 am

I'm very sorry for this boring thread...

I'm counting 20 days in a row where A7-ALA and A7-ALB are doing the two daily flights between DOH and FRA without any changes.
I know, flying 13h per day is not a very tight schedule for each plane and leaves enough time for planned and unplanned maintenance, but still very impressive!
I think there are some happy people in DOH and TLS.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:48 am

That's the trick of having multiple aircraft on the same route. If one goes tech you pull in the other aircraft and fix the first one in time for the second flight.
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Quoting bobmuc (Reply 31):
I'm very sorry for this boring thread..

100 plus flights now without a delay or equipment substitution... Phenomenal performance...
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So these two aircraft haven't done anything else then DOH-FRA so far? I can imagine they can easily plan a late evening DOH-DXB or DOH-KWI return, just more opportunity to get more crews used to it, and easier to swap if any problem appears.
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I suspect that the engineering teams at Doha (Qatar and Airbus) are investing significant effort to address each and every item that comes up - looking for trends and improvements that can be incorporated. Thus they probably fly with far fewer defect items than your standard plane.

This is a very different approach (as discussed ad infinitum elsewhere) than we had with the 787 where many planes were through production before certification. I do not know which will be better for the frame maker as the cash flow discussions of shipping frames quickly are persuasive - but for the airlines if they get reliable frames from the get go.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:57 pm

Not yet in service, but Finnair will publish it's European Familiarisation Flight schedule here in 10 days:

http://www.finnair.com/a350?utm_sour...lobal&utm_campaign=A350_salesstart
 
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Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting ap305 (Reply 33):

Wow. Just wow. Kudos to RR and Airbus.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 34):

I think we'll see more short flights when there are enough A350s for a spare.

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Quoting ap305 (Reply 33):
100 plus flights now without a delay or equipment substitution... Phenomenal performance...

Missed this post.   But that is stating a phenomenal performance for the A350 so far, even though there are only two copies in service at the launch customer.  
 
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:31 pm

Looks like LA is sitting at FRA... QR 70 delayed by quite a few hours.

[Edited 2015-04-03 07:32:31]

[Edited 2015-04-03 07:36:15]
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FRA Airport is now showing 10pm as the planend depature time. This would mean a delay of 10:25h.
 
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Quoting bobmuc (Reply 40):
FRA Airport is now showing 10pm

It got airborne at approximately 2251 Frankfurt time. Just before curfew. phew.
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 39):
Looks like LA is sitting at FRA... QR 70 delayed by quite a few hours.
Quoting bobmuc (Reply 40):
FRA Airport is now showing 10pm as the planend depature time. This would mean a delay of 10:25h.
Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 41):
It got airborne at approximately 2251 Frankfurt time. Just before curfew. phew.

Do we know what the issue was?
 
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Quoting PM (Reply 42):
Do we know what the issue was?

I haven't found anything... but both flight to FRA have been operated by A350 today. So it seems no bigger issues.
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:12 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 28):
Noone beats European engineering!!!

Oh well, at least it's not just Americans that are boastful...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 30):
t's now more than a month and the A350 was not replaced by another aircraft type during that time.
Quoting bobmuc (Reply 31):
I'm counting 20 days in a row where A7-ALA and A7-ALB are doing the two daily flights between DOH and FRA without any changes.
Quoting ap305 (Reply 33):
100 plus flights now without a delay or equipment substitution... Phenomenal performance...
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 38):
a phenomenal performance for the A350 so far

Setting things up for...

Quoting ap305 (Reply 39):
Looks like LA is sitting at FRA... QR 70 delayed by quite a few hours.
Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 41):
It got airborne at approximately 2251 Frankfurt time.

... the inevitable fall! Maybe you guys jinxed her?      

In any case, the performance is indeed impressive. Airbus has a great product on its hands.
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 44):
Oh well, at least it's not just Americans that are boastful...

I could be wrong but I was definitely under the impression that Singapore was not a part of Europe  
 
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 44):
Oh well, at least it's not just Americans that are boastful...

At least it's a more sensible boast than "haha 787 shits on the scarebus which is only flown by malfunctioning computers, AF447 anyone, trolololol", which your fellow countrymen seem to prefer.
 
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Quoting PM (Reply 42):
Do we know what the issue was?

I can't find anything on social media. Not even a single tweet.

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 46):
"haha 787 shits on the scarebus which is only flown by malfunctioning computers, AF447 anyone, trolololol"

I lol'd  
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All these comments..........
And I was just positing a tribute to the A350 phenomenal performance so far. Was for sure not meant to step on anyone's toes.  
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