DeltaSFO
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Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 12:54 pm

Who do you think are the fleet commonality leaders in the airline industry? Who will be?

I think that once Delta's fleet plans are done, it will be among the best in the world, with just the 737, 757/767, and 777 in the mainline fleet.

Any airline that operates only the A319/320 family and A330/340 family is also really good. Is there any airline that has the entire Airbus family and nothing else in its mainline fleet? Swissair maybe?

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FlyBoeing
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 12:57 pm

Hey, you're forgetting Continental, which will be a Delta clone in the fleet arena. 737's, 757/67, and 777.

But I can't think of any only-airbus users. I think that the SAir group will eventually become this way, though. It's only a matter of time.
 
cba
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:00 pm

Once CO gets rid of its last DC-10s and MD-80s, it will have only 3 fleet types (excluding CO express):
1. 737 (-300, -500, -700, -800, -900)
2. 757/767 (752, 753, 762, 764)
3. 777

If you count COex, then they will have 4 fleet types (ERJ-135/145).

Besides DL and CO, all of the other airlines have ways to go.
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:03 pm

Southwest
 
aa737
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:03 pm

I am guessing we aren't including airlines like SWA, or any of the other low cost carriers, or new airlines. They have all 737s which is pretty good cominality to me. Also airlines like Frontier, national, or many other smaller airlines only have one type.

Swissair doesn't have all Airvus yet, but they will when the A346 is delivered. I believe SN is also all airbus, or will be shortly.

Will AC become airbus in time? Or will the 767s and the 747s be around for a little while longer?
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:06 pm

........except WN which operates 737-200/300/400/700/800

TW isn't so bad (once the 9's leave):

1) 717-200
2) MD80
3) 757/767
 
Guest

RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:49 pm

a rough guess, don't yell if i'm wrong:
srilankan
dragonair
swissair (soon, once the md-11s go)
icelandair
 
tullamarine
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:26 pm

NZ 737, 767, 747
QF Ditto, though this maybe about to change
717,721/2,732/3/4/5/7/8/9,742/3/4,752/3,762/3,772/E/W,300,310,319,320/1,332/3,388,DC9,DC10,F28,F100,142,143,E90,CR2,D82/3/4,SF3,ATR
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 3:28 pm

Long term, TWA will look more like this

B717
A318/19/20
B757/767
 
desertjets
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 3:35 pm

Air Tahiti Nui.

ONE Airbus 340-211. Only one type, only one of a type. All the pilots know how to fly it, don't have to train them to fly any other type.  
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 5:04 pm

Well it's definately NOT SIA. 747, 777, A340, A310, A3XX, 747F, and finally 1 727 for cargo to Bangalore, India.
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SA-JET
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Wed Nov 15, 2000 5:58 pm

Within a few months, SAA will be:
737-200/800
747-200/300/400/SP

All current Airbus aircraft are being phased out (300/320)

Swissair are actively moving towards an all Airbus fleet. I think this will be completed by 2005
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 1:36 am

Braathens has a all B737 fleet, even if it`s both 400s and 500s and also the NG 700. But I`ve heard they are considering smaller aircraft..
Stick & Rudder
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 6:55 am

Air France in the future :
Airbus family(320 and 340 and 3XX),which are all very common
Boeing family :747-400 and 777-300 and -200, quite common.
 
chiawei
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 8:05 am

I believe that Air Canada will be moving toward all airbus fleet. The 744 will be disposed of as A340-500 join the fleet. A320 will replace left over 732 from Canadien. I believe that A330 will be used to replace 767.

In the future AC will only have A340, A330, and A320 family.
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 9:58 am

I think that when one considers fleet size that Southwest wins hands down. This keeps their training, maintenance, and operational costs down.

Tom in NO (at MSY)


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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 10:04 am

United original plans weren't to bad..

A320srs (319, 320)
B747-400
B757/767
B777

But who knows what will happen with this USAir thing!
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 10:30 am

Shinseki, the day TW gets rid of all of its MD-80s is very far off. At least 15 years away. Up untill 6 months ago TW was still receiving new 80s from Boeing.

Also, if you want to hypothesize well into the future, a new widebody model will most likely be in the picture. Whether it'll be a 767-400, 777-200, or A330-200 is too early to tell, but the 767s won't be the airline's largest plane forever.
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 4:21 pm

How about TAP Portugal? They'll be flying only A-319/320 and A-330/340 once their last 737 is disposed of. That's purebread airbus and looks pretty good...
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 10:38 pm

What about Lufthansa? They operate every Airbus except the A330. All they have for Boeings though is the 747 and 737.

As far as I know, AC will keep the 747's for a while simply because they need the capacity on Pacific routes. Also, they have already ordered more 763's.
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Thu Nov 16, 2000 11:24 pm

I was just thinking of SR becoming all-airbus soon, and LH, too. Can't tell about SN, though, but in Spain, JK (Spanair, aka SPP) are also directing themselves towards this direction. Last, TAP have almost completed their migration to all-airbus.

But I would like to know, though, from knowers better than myself at this subject, if, for example, as Cba and SA-JET writes, if CO and SAA have just three or some more types, meaning that 737 has a lot of versions, supposedly of the same model, but:
1st type: 737-200
2nd type: 737-300 & -400
3rd type: 737 -500, -600, -700, -800 & -900
4th type: 757-200, 767-200 and 767-300
5th type: 757-300, 767-400 & 777-200 & -300

And, as for 747s,

one type 747-200, -300 & -SP and
another type 747-400

Could anyone better than me clarify if I'm right from the point of view of pilot qualification types?

Thanks in advance.

Best turbulences
 
jonnyboy
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:40 am

Well done Tom in NO for saying SOUTHWEST!!!

Without question. You have to be a big airline for fleet commonality to be an issue. SAA or Braathens hardly have any planes relatively.

Southwest.com gave me
The Company’s fleet has an average age of only 8.4 years.
Cruising speed of 564 mph.
The average aircraft trip length is 498 miles with an average duration of about one hour and 30 minutes.
Southwest aircraft fly an average of about eight flights per day, or about 12 hours per day.
Southwest was the launch customer for the Boeing 737-700 in 1997. Southwest was also a launch customer for the Boeing 737-500 and -300 series aircraft.

Oh ya, they have 332! and 2650 flights a day, and make $500m a year. Successful airline, successful fleet planning and management. Argument over. They are industry revolutionaries!!!
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:54 am

How about JetBlue ?
 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:59 am

Chiawei,
Air Canada is planning on keeping their 767's for a little while longer, not to long ago they placed another order for them, they are quite satisfied with the results.
Hard to say about the 744, only time will tell. The 732 and DC-9 replacement has not been announced yet, and I dont think it will be the A320.
Thier fleet is going through a very slow change, as they must sort out the 2 fleets of both CP and AC.


 
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:59 am

In 2004 when the last MD 11 is gone, Swissair will only fly the A 320 family (319/320/321 perhaps 318), the A 330 and the A 340-600.
 
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No 737-400s Or -800s At SWA

Sat Nov 18, 2000 10:17 pm

...just -200, -300, -500, and -700 models. Total of 343 projected by year's end.

Regular rumors of -800s or -900s, or maybe even 757-200s, but you know how rumors go.
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RE: Fleet Commonality Leaders

Sat Nov 18, 2000 10:48 pm

Turbulence, the 737-500 has an almost identical cockpit to the 737-300, therefore, it belongs in the group with the 300/400.


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Guess which one's a -500...

The 737NG was designed to be similar enough so that a pilot qualified to fly the -300/400/500 could fly a -600/700/800/900.

Now, here is the cockpit of a -700, my personal favorite.


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