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News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 12:40 am

US Airways will introduce the A330 on MAN-PHL route from April next year. Gill Airways have retired the SH360 from their fllet so all ops now carried out by ATR42,ATR72 and F100 a/c. EI are stopping serving LBA,NCL and BRS. The LBA service will be taken over ny BRAL J41 4xDaily whilst the NCL and BRS services will be operated by Brymon. This is because EI are taking their F50s out of operation.AF have started a 1xDaily Lyon-MAN service using CRJs. Does anyone know anything else? Does anyone know about Augsburg Airways NCL-Hamburg service?
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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 2:04 am

Air France to discontinue Humberside Paris flights as
of 15 December.Loads seem to be about 35 to 40 percent full.Gill Airways operate the flight with ATR42
 
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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 3:59 am

AA are planning to introduce a new route to BHX next year from either JFK or Dallas/Miami.
LH will introduce a daily DH8 service from BHX-Hamburg next year, a new Stuutgart and Cologne service to BHX is also possible.
VS have applied to fly sch flights betwen BHX and Malta.
Rumours are gathering DL and OK may start services to BHX in the near future from Atlanta and Prague respectively.
PIA will add an extra Karachi flight from BHX via Copenhagen.
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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 4:44 am

gkirk, peddling the BHX rumours is a bit misleading. They were also mentioning about the Air India start in November (which did not). I also hear that BHX may actually lose a PK flight when they start GLA.

The Augsburg NCL-HAM is dead. It never got above 35% loads. However, if the rumours are true, you may be getting a LH CRJ from DUS instead.

I also understand that the NCL-LGW is finally coming good because of the train situation on the east coast.

DL's BHX rumour did not emerge from the slot bids of last week.

BMA will be starting CDG-MAN, and BRU-MAN but where are the CDG slots coming from (watch out LBA).
 
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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 5:20 am

GKirk are you sure about the extra PIA service to BHX via Copenhagen? I can't find any information about this! What I have heard is, that they might cut one of the two BHX flights from next summer.

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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 6:31 am

http://members.tripod.co.uk/aviate/index.html
That is where i got all the info from. I really hope that LH CRJ to NCL rumour is true. Gill used to operate that route, how were the loads on their flights? What a/c will BD use on the MAN routes?
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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 6:31 am

http://members.tripod.co.uk/aviate/index.html
That is where i got all the info from. I really hope that LH CRJ to NCL rumour is true. Gill used to operate that route, how were the loads on their flights? What a/c will BD use on the MAN routes?
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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 8:05 am

Anyone have info on the ATH-MAN-BOS flights. The authority still stands, right? And it is just OA that has to organise itself before starting the flights?

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RE: News From The UK

Wed Nov 22, 2000 4:50 pm

BHX

yes its true PIA will add another service making 3 per week early in the new year. (this service is doing very very well)

Turkmenistan will become daily
and new flights to JFK/YYZ 3 times per week
(both when new a/c are delivered early 2001)

I am sure one of the american rumours will come though next year either Delta or another AA service

the CSA service should start end of March

the LH new services i believe have been confirmed

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LH423

Wed Nov 22, 2000 5:42 pm

I think OA have set a start date of Feb or Mar for their ATH-MAN-BOS using A300. Currently they have 3xWeekly ATH-MAN B734 service.
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RE: LH423

Wed Nov 22, 2000 6:12 pm

The BOS service will not happen. The whole operation cannot be done with one crew (which the non-stop can). This makes the route uneconomical.

BD may be using the EM4 on the Euro-routes since the Fokkers are going.

Have not seen the Prague-BHX service in the advance slot filings for CSA.

Watch out for a new CO service to the UK next year.
 
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Billy

Wed Nov 22, 2000 6:44 pm

Where do you find all the advance slot applications, you work at CAA or something? Do you have any idea where the CO service may be going, I know they are starting STN service, any chance it will be NCL?
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RE: Billy

Wed Nov 22, 2000 6:45 pm

It is not NCL, CO have not made the decision yet which of the airports it is to be.
 
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RE: News From The UK

Thu Nov 23, 2000 1:41 am

More BHX

forgot to add

3 times daily SAS to CPH 2x MD87s 1x 737 (started this week)

daily EK A330 from 18th December

British European upgrade to CRJ from Dash 8 on the Edinburgh service 5x daily from feb

I have no idea if /when the AI service will start....will keep fingers crossed on this one

Regards

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RE: News From The UK

Thu Nov 23, 2000 1:49 am

I hear that AA are looking at upgrading the GLA-ORD service to year round. Summer only a.t.m.
 
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RE: News From The UK

Thu Nov 23, 2000 2:23 am

Year-round GLA is very likely as the UK market is storming for AA.
 
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RE: News From The UK

Thu Nov 23, 2000 2:49 am

I forgot to add, easyJet are starting 2xDaily AMS-EDI and 1xDaily AMS-Belfast Int services from January.
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RE: News From The UK

Thu Nov 23, 2000 4:55 am

A high-court ruling has given London's Biggin Hill Airport (famous for it's role in the Battle of Britain) the right to function as a passenger airport. At the momment Biggin Hill is only able to accept private flights, but this will change as it becomes London's sixth passenger airport.
 
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RE: News From The UK

Thu Nov 23, 2000 3:26 pm

So I guess this means that BOS will have to sit with the 2x weekly A340 flights. Bummer  

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RE: News From The UK

Thu Nov 23, 2000 8:15 pm

Newcastle:

Braathens will discontinue Oslo-Newcastle flights as of 2 January. Newcastle-Stavanger will be increased from one to two daily flights. The morning service will be operated by a Norwegian Air Shuttle Fokker 50. The evening service will be flown by Braathens B737.
 
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SVG

Thu Nov 23, 2000 10:00 pm

Do you think anyone will take over the NCL-Oslo route? Perhaps Brymon may have a look at it?
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RE: News From The UK

Fri Nov 24, 2000 12:23 am

I don't know. Maybye smaller carriers like Brymon or Widerøe will consider to take over the route. I'm sure that they would be able to make money on the route because the use smaller aircrafts than Braathens. Braathens has serioius economical problems because the 737 is to big for many of their routes.
 
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RE: News From The UK

Fri Nov 24, 2000 12:37 am

They should consider getting EMB145s or CRJ a/c then,to serve the smaller routes. Anyway I thought Oslo-NCL was doing quite well?
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RE: News From The UK

Fri Nov 24, 2000 6:23 am

The load factor was OK, but there where probably too many passengers on economy class ("Back"). Stavanger is the oil capital of Norway and many people from the oil industry use the SVG-NCL route. They usually fly on business class, and that means higher incomes for Braathens.
 
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RE: News From The UK

Sat Nov 25, 2000 9:50 pm

British European may start services from MAN-Toulouse 3xWeekly using Bae 146s from next month, flight will be Tue,Thu and Sun, I think.
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RE: News From The UK

Sat Nov 25, 2000 9:59 pm

I heared a rumour about the OSL-NCL route was going to continue, allthough it would no longer be a non-stop route. Has anyone heared the same?

Regards
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RE: News From The UK

Sat Nov 25, 2000 11:41 pm

Im afraid I havent heard that one,is it still operated by BU?
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RE: News From The UK

Sat Nov 25, 2000 11:49 pm

Went spotting at NCL yesterday - saw a motley bunch of ATR42s (Brymon?), a BA 734, KLM uk F100, Airtours A320, JMC A320, Sabre Air 734, Britannia 757 and Sabena 146.

The viewing terrace is fantastic.

The new terminal is nice, but methinks the domestic pier needs more than one airbridge?

Can we get some more European 'Cityhopper' type airlines into NCL, such as the mentioned LH, and Swissair, or Alitalia, or TAP - and why not SAS?
 
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Eg777er

Sun Nov 26, 2000 12:08 am

ATR42s=Gill Airways
JMC A320? Sure it wasnt a 757
Sabre =738
Viewing terrace fantastic? You obviously never went to the old viewing terrace then
One airbridge for domestic is enough as only the LHR service uses an a/c worthy of using an airbridge, the airbridge on the International side was used for LHR service before Domestic and Int swapped sides with the opening of the New Terminal extension.
I agree NCL needs more airlines but..
Swissair wont come to NCL as they nearly left MAN altogether so they wont go to NCL, maybe Crossair in the future.
AZ and TAP , does anyone know if their would be much of a market? , Highly doubtful.
LH and SAS, very possible, who knows maybe SAS could return to NCL with their Dash 8-400s from Oslo?
Maybe BRY could add freq on their CPH route?
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Newcastle (agian!)

Sun Nov 26, 2000 12:43 am

GKirk and Thom@s

Latest:
Both the flights to Newcastle will be operated by Norwegian Air Shuttle. That means that Braathens 737s will no longer be seen at Newcastle.
 
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RE: News From The UK

Sun Nov 26, 2000 12:51 am

That sucks. So from now on, every summer going to NCL, Ill be cramped up in a tiny F50 bouncing around in turbulence for an hour over the north sea? Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to that.  

GKirk---JMC operates A320s aswell. Perhaps there was no need for a757 that day.

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RE: News From The UK

Sun Nov 26, 2000 1:47 am

I know JMC operate 320s as well but they usually base a 757 @ NCL, although they do also have an A320 over the weekend @ NCL. I feel sorry for you now Thom@s, I would hate to fly in an F50 over the North Sea, PLEASE SAS or someone do something about this!!!!
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RE: News From The UK

Sun Nov 26, 2000 9:43 pm

JMC operated an Airbus A.320 for two flights on each Sat and Sun during November, in addition to the based Boeing 757. These short series ended on the weekend of 25/26 November.
 
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Lear45

Mon Nov 27, 2000 2:26 am

Is that you Andy? You may know me as kurtcobain152154? Welcome to the forum.
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RE: News From The UK

Mon Nov 27, 2000 7:40 am

The user info certainly sounds like Andy, and the Web address is a bit of a giveaway.
Pretty informative website for anyone interested in NCL and well worth a visit.
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RE: Lear45

Mon Nov 27, 2000 11:00 pm

WOW. Some amaizing pics on your website Andy. The ones from NCL were brilliant. (Then again you probably hear that all the time.)  
However, I was wondering about where you take your pictures from. Are they all taken on restricted areas, or are they taken at places where anyone can go?

BTW, Welcome to Airliners.net.  

Best Regards
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RE: News From The UK

Mon Nov 27, 2000 11:12 pm

Nvermind my question in the previous post. I just found exactly what I was looking for on your web-site.

Thom@s  
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RE: News From The UK

Mon Nov 27, 2000 11:46 pm

Swissair does not come to either MAN or NCL because BRU is a much better hub for Great Britain and its also much closer. Zurich is just too far away.

So NCL and MAN are served by SRs partner Sabena.

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Avion

Mon Nov 27, 2000 11:59 pm

That does'nt make sense to me!

Why do Swissair serve destinations further away than Britain with great success. E.g Oslo is served with 3 daily A320 flights nonstop to Zurich, and so are Stockholm and Gothenburg. Here you also find partners like Sabena and LOT with more than one daily nonstop.
 
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RE: Avion

Tue Nov 28, 2000 1:15 am

SR express operate twice daily MAN-ZRH flights with Bae 146-200 a/c operated by Flightline. This replaced the previous 3 x daily SR service operated using A319,A320 a/c. Many people would like the "REAL" Swissair to return to MAN sometime in the future.
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RE: News From The UK

Tue Nov 28, 2000 2:09 am

Well its SRs strategy that Sabena is looking after the UK. After all SR and Sabena are 1 company.


Avion
 
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RE: News From The UK

Tue Nov 28, 2000 2:45 am

Does anyone know then, if SN will introduce their A319s,B737s on the NCL-BRU route?
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RE: News From The UK

Tue Nov 28, 2000 11:18 pm

Brymon Airways will operate NCL-DUB 3xDaily and will also introduce a 1xDaily NCL-Cork service.
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