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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:43 pm

MSN 7861 has been pulled out of storage.

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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:01 pm

Summer the Swan emerged from final assembly.

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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:47 pm

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VV wrote:

Well-well-well, it becomes even more intriguing.

So, I would like to put it clearly.
1. MSN 6464 was supposed to be A319neo/PW flight test article
2. MSN 6620 was initially planned to be A319neo/CFM flight test article
3. MSN 6464 was converted to be an A319neo/CFM flight test article
4. MSN 6620 is now cancelled



That would be correct.

So, the A319neo/CFM will get its type certificate around mid-2018. And then maybe, just maybe. MSN 646 will be converted back to an A319neo/PW flight test article.


Earlier this year Airbus stated the P&W A319neo is due to follow after the CFM variant. That is all we know for the moment.

CFM certification may arrive earlier than mid-2018 BTW.

Questions:
1. When will the first A319neo/CFM enter into service after its certification?
2. When will the A319neo/PW be certified?

So, what's the plan?

This is even more interesting than I initially thought.


I have no proper answer on both questions.



Is there any update on this following the agreement announced recently to acquire a majority stake in the C Series Aircraft Limited Partnership?
 
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Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:55 pm

Airbus has stated that until the Cseries agreement with Bombardier is completed, nothing changes.
 
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Below are a few photos of the A320neo storage locations.

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Will all of the EasyJet 320neo's feature the Special 'NEO' titles, or is it just the first few?
 
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Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:32 pm

Why was MSN 7861 in storage?
 
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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:44 pm

Citilink took delivery of its 5th A320neo today.

Airbus A320 -251N 7834 PK-GTF Citilink Express delivery 24-25ot17 TLS-DWC-CMB-CGK ex F-WWBF
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:22 pm

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Earlier this month Premium AEROTEC delivered the first A321 fuselage section with the new door configuration.

The extensive changes to the construction primarily facilitate better use of the passenger cabin, enabling the cabin capacity to be expanded from the original 220 passengers to accommodate 240 passengers without increasing the length of the fuselage. These are the most comprehensive changes to the A321 since it was first developed in 1992. Significant differences compared to the existing A321 are a new arrangement of the passenger doors and modernisation of the emergency exit doors in the central section. Furthermore, optional additional fuel tanks can be integrated into the fuselage in order to extend the aircraft’s range. For example, airline companies using the A321neo ACF will be able to fly coast to coast across the US in the future. This model will also offer on-board internet access right from the first aircraft. All of the changes were undertaken using state-of-the-art 3D construction tools.


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Indeed the MSN for this reconfigured A321 is MSN 7877. FAL start should happen end of this month.


MSN 7877, the first A321neo with the new door configuration, is nearing completion in XFW:

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Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:53 pm

Other than the new exit configuration on the A321neo, how have the central exits been modernized?
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:08 pm

Azores Airlines MSN 7972 emerged from paint in XFW.

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Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:52 pm

Do we know who's getting MSN 7877?
 
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Do we know who's getting MSN 7877?


We can see Airbus house colors on the tail fin, so right now it is a testbed that will certify the revised door configuration.
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:58 pm

It is currently listed as an Airbus prototype. Not sure about after certification and rework however.
 
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:03 pm

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Other than the new exit configuration on the A321neo, how have the central exits been modernized?

I don't think they have been modernized; they are the exact same as the A320neo overwing exits.
 
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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:34 am

A delivery ceremony for the first TSN built A320neo is scheduled for today.

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Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:04 am

7877.
Do we know first flight and how long the certification process will last?
What engines will be fitted -the higher power P&W engines?
Will this a/c be tested with the 3 ACT's necessary for (LR) transatlantic operations?
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:11 am

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7877.
Do we know first flight and how long the certification process will last?
What engines will be fitted -the higher power P&W engines?
Will this a/c be tested with the 3 ACT's necessary for (LR) transatlantic operations?


MSN 7877 is an A321-251NX, thus CFM engines.

NX designation = Airbus Cabin Flex (ACF) option (i.e. revised door option).

Although it could be modified afterwards, MSN 7877 is not the A321LR. Somehow people confuse the revised door option with the A321LR.
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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:26 am

LH #9 (MSN 7710 / D-AINI) has been delivered.

See https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 6507457537
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Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:51 pm

First A320 Neo delivery from the TSN assembly line.

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Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:03 pm

Thx Karel.
Do you know when the first 'LR' model is due?
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:27 pm

MSN 7877 has been moved to the next phase of assembly.

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Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:42 pm

Is it correct that Airbus currently has six A320 FAL's? (not 8 as I wrote in the Airbus joins Cseries topic).
Toulouse; FAL1 & FAL2 (FAL 2 is the one wide the door in the middle).
Hamburg FAL 3 & FAL 4 (just opened). And Tianjin FAL and Mobile FAL.

Is it true that the outfitting hangars in Hamburg are called Hamburg FAL 1 & 2? Or do they have another name.
Does Hamburg FAL3 have the highest production rate at this moment? ~22.
With Tianjin @4 and Mobile @3, and total 50, Toulouse produces ~20 (on FAL1 & 2)?

I looked on Terraserver, the stowed A320NEO situation looks worse then on the images posted here. Hamburg; Toulouse.
 
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Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:19 pm

Georgia the Painted Bunting made its first flight today.

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Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:30 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
Will all of the EasyJet 320neo's feature the Special 'NEO' titles, or is it just the first few?


I have no idea.

At least the 3rd A320neo was spotted today in XFW with NEO titles:

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Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:25 am

Any insight into PW's catch up planning?

They must go over the originally scheduled production capacity or there will be parked A320's forever..

PW is paying a price here. Which is a pitty because they started off so good.

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Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:54 am

Vistara's next A320neo, MSN 7822, has been painted fully white.

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Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:49 pm

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Vistara's next A320neo, MSN 7822, has been painted fully white.

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A small correction Registration is actually VT-TNF and not INF and this is the exact same plane which was rejected by Avianca Brasil hence why it is painted in the white livery and now it will operate for Vistara as soon as it's ready for a re-paint and for delivery.

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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:03 am

HK Express MSN 7517 has been pulled out of storage, got its engines installed and received a clean-up at the washing area.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:11 am

As per MTU Aero Engines from yesterday: "We have achieved a stable output and we have met our quality and cost targets. Up to now, 16 operators are flying with 94 Geared Turbofan powered aircraft and are benefiting from its excellent performance. At least 16% fuel efficiency is achieved with some individual flights reporting up to 20%."
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:58 pm

Does anyone know what is up with Sprit's Airbus A320neos N904NK and N905NK? It looks like N904NK has only been doing flights around the DFW area since the beginning of October 2017 and N905NK has not flown since it did PHL-DFW on March 13, 2017.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N904NK
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:51 pm

Kviator wrote:
Does anyone know what is up with Sprit's Airbus A320neos N904NK and N905NK? It looks like N904NK has only been doing flights around the DFW area since the beginning of October 2017 and N905NK has not flown since it did PHL-DFW on March 13, 2017.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N904NK
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N905NK


IIRC they've been waiting on replacement PW engines all summer. Guess 904NK received her new powerplants
and have been on a few test flights?
 
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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:47 pm

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Is it correct that Airbus currently has six A320 FAL's? (not 8 as I wrote in the Airbus joins Cseries topic).
Toulouse; FAL1 & FAL2 (FAL 2 is the one wide the door in the middle).
Hamburg FAL 3 & FAL 4 (just opened). And Tianjin FAL and Mobile FAL.

Is it true that the outfitting hangars in Hamburg are called Hamburg FAL 1 & 2? Or do they have another name.
Does Hamburg FAL3 have the highest production rate at this moment? ~22.
With Tianjin @4 and Mobile @3, and total 50, Toulouse produces ~20 (on FAL1 & 2)?

I looked on Terraserver, the stowed A320NEO situation looks worse then on the images posted here. Hamburg; Toulouse.


XFW has four lines, TLS has two and TSN and BFM one each. Each line has a theoretical capacity of 8 frames a month. TSN is run at four and BFM is reaching four. I do not know at what speed the newest line in XFW currently runs. TLS runs at 16 frames and XFW at 24 to 32 frames a month. I assume BFM will move above four next year.
 
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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:28 pm

After a small delay, the 2nd Sri Lankan A321neo has been delivered.

Airbus A321 -251N 7697 4R-AND Sri Lankan delivery 28-29oct17 XFW-DXB-CMB ex D-AZAB
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Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:28 pm

MSN 7917 has been delivered and made a nice wing wave on departure.

Airbus A321 -271N 7917 N202HA Hawaiian Airlines delivery 28oct17 XFW-JFK ex D-AYAF


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Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:34 am

LH #10 has been delivered.

Airbus A320 -271N 7735 D-AINJ Lufthansa delivery 31oct17 XFW-SXF ex D-AXAT


And another one has been handed over to Avianca Brasil:

Airbus A320 -251N 7799 PR-OBK Avianca Brasil delivery 30-31oct17 XFW-SID-CNF ex D-AVVI
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Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production Thread - Part 7

Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:47 am

Chocolate the Moose made its first flight last week.

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Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:49 pm

Another ex-QR A320neo has been delivered to IndiGo:

Airbus A320 -271N 6946 VT-ITY IndiGo Airlines delivery 31oct17 TLS-DEL ex F-WBZ
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Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:33 am

After some delay, the 3rd Virgin America A321neo has been delivered.

Airbus A321 -253N 7861 N923VA Virgin America delivery 01nov17 XFW-BGR-MIA ex D-AVYH
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Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:30 pm

Next up: S7 Airlines #4:

Airbus A320 -271N 7731 VQ-BCK S7 Airlines delivery 01nov17 TLS-OVB ex F-WWTX
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Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:04 pm

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Another ex-QR A320neo has been delivered to IndiGo:

Airbus A320 -271N 6946 VT-ITY IndiGo Airlines delivery 31oct17 TLS-DEL ex F-WBZ

and this is the 25th one for 6E! They have hit silver! https://twitter.com/AdityaGhosh6E/statu ... 7086844928
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:21 pm

The next one for Volaris was delivered today:

Airbus A320 -271N 7688 XA-VRD Volaris delivery 04 Nov 17 TLS-KEF-BGR-MEX ex F-WWTK
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:39 am

Another Sichuan A320neo has been delivered, this time from XFW.

Airbus A320 -271N 7744 B-8683 Sichuan Airlines delivery 06nov17 XFW-TSE ex D-AXAV
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:29 pm

Azul #9 has been delivered.

Airbus A320 -251N 7828 PR-YRJ Azul Linhas Aéreas delivery 07-08nov17 TLS-SID-CNF ex F-WWBJ
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:05 am

NEO production in TSN is in full swing now. After the delivery of MSN 7803 to AirAsia, at least 3 more NEOs have been spotted.

MSN 7837, Thai AirAsia, made its first flight last week.

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MSN 7848, Air China's first A320neo built in Tianjin, made its first flight yesterday.

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MSN 7860, AirAsia, first flight today:

https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB010C/f792c0b
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:15 am

Chocolate the Moose has finally been delivered.

Airbus A320 -251N 7768 N312FR Frontier Airlines delivery 09nov17 TLS-YQX-DEN "Chocolate the Moose" ex F-WWIU


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MSN 7877 has been moved to the next phase of assembly.

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What are the reasons behind the deletion of door L2? What is the consensus of opinion as to whether it is a good idea safety wise? It must also slow down boarding and turn-around too.

A ditching such as the Hudson incident, where all the rear doors are unusable for example. The new L2 behind the wing, would also be below the waterline.

Is the starboard side the same?
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KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 7877 has been moved to the next phase of assembly.

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What are the reasons behind the deletion of door L2? What is the consensus of opinion as to whether it is a good idea safety wise? It must also slow down boarding and turn-around too.

A ditching such as the Hudson incident, where all the rear doors are unusable for example. The new L2 behind the wing, would also be below the waterline.

Is the starboard side the same?


The change increases the max passenger numbers from 230 to 240. The 2 over wing exit take less space from the cabin than the L2 and R 2 doors. The frame is lighter as the over wing exists weigh less than the doors. The L2 door was to near the engine and never used for boarding.
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:46 am

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The L2 door was to near the engine and never used for boarding.


Depending on the airline and airport. I've boarded Lufthansa's A321 through L2 sevaral times
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:47 am

But in a ditching, 4 main doors could be underwater! See US Airways Flight 1549.
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