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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:21 pm

I'll be on one this upcoming saturday :)
mixed feelings honestly, would maybe prefer the comfort of a 787 for such a long haul flight but still cool to be on such a legend.

also: question, is it known what routes will be replaced first with other aircraft now that the 747's are getting phased out?
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:18 pm

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Well, there's a chance a full KLM 747-400 will stay in the Netherlands.

There's construction going on in the old Sony and AirHolland buildings in Amsterdam, it will become the Corendon Village Hotel and with 677 rooms it will become the biggest hotel in the Benelux.
And apparently they're talking with KLM about placing an entire KLM 747-400 on the hotel grounds. It will be used as a museum, but it's not yet decided what kind of museum.
The plan is to place the aircraft there in 2018.

They've already placed a Boeing 737 cockpit in another hotel; the Corendon Vitality Hotel Amsterdam in 2014.

In this - Dutch - article it is said this will be a ex-Transaero 747, not a KLM 747.

As for updates on the KLM 747 fleet: in this - Dutch - article from today; a KLM spokesman said the last KLM 747 will be phased out afther the 2021 summer season.
The youngest 747 (delivered in April 2002) PH-BFY will probably be the last man standing...

Meanwhile; PH-BFW has returned to Xiamen for a C-check a week ago. She was there in 2016 for a D-check.
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Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:57 am

I flew on PH-BFC City of Calgary last week from IAH-AMS. There is a plaque onboard dated Sept 1989 presented to KLM from the Calgary Transportation Authority. There is a sticker attached to the plaque that says last flight March 7th 2018. The plaque is on the wall at the base of the stairs. One can only hope that KLM will preserve it once the aircraft is retired. It will be interesting to see what it's final route will be on that day. Possible it may depart on the 6th and arrive AMS on the 7th depending on the city of departure?
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:20 pm

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Yes, as 747classic has stated, from October 28 the flights to Curaçao will be flown with the 777-300ER.
As for why? Who knows. As you can see -BFB will be phased out in November and that's a full-pax 747. Maybe they need the Curaçao 747's for a different route?


As already stated before the winter schedules 2018/19 are still subject to change :
Latest 744 update as of March 01 2018 :

Amsterdam – Curacao eff 28OCT18 747-400PAX continues to operate daily KL735/736 service, replacing previously planned 777-300ER. 8th weekly terminator service by A330-200 will be added (Overall to Curacao is 11 weekly)
Amsterdam – Delhi eff 28OCT18 777-300ER replaces 747-400 in winter season. Planned 777-200ER service on 4 of 7 weekly flights 18DEC18 – 05JAN19 is cancelled
Amsterdam – Nairobi 08JAN19 – 26JAN19 2 of 7 weekly (Day 26) operated by 747-400COMBI, replacing -400PAX
Amsterdam – Toronto eff 28OCT18 7 weekly, operated by 747-400PAX/-400COMBI, instead of 747-400PAX/-400COMBI/777-200ER

See : https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-01mar18/
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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:57 pm

Assuming that March 7th is still the last day of ops for PH-BFC? If so does anyone happen to know what it's final scheduled flight will be?
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:26 pm

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Assuming that March 7th is still the last day of ops for PH-BFC? If so does anyone happen to know what it's final scheduled flight will be?

At this moment she's on her way as KL856 to Amsterdam from Seoul. Scheduled landing on 05/02 Monday/tomorrow at 04:12.
Then KL661 to Houston, departing Amsterdam at 10:05. Returning to Amsterdam as KL662 on 06/02 Tuesday at 07:35.
Then KL601 to Los Angeles, departing Amsterdam 09:50. Returing to Amsterdam as KL602 on 07/02 Wednesday at 09:05.

Can't find a flight departing Wednesday yet. Would make sense because if it would depart on Wednesday it's last flight won't be on Wednesday the 7th.
So KL602 departing Los Angeles on Tuesday could very well be her last commercial flight, but can still change of course.

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:49 pm

KLM is historically known to put its oldest airplanes on their Dutch Caribbean routes so sadly this schedule change doesn't surprise me.

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Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:51 pm

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KLM is historically known to put its oldest airplanes on their Dutch Caribbean routes so sadly this schedule change doesn't surprise me.

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wouldn't call the Airbus old. And does it really matter?
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:27 pm

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KLM is historically known to put its oldest airplanes on their Dutch Caribbean routes so sadly this schedule change doesn't surprise me.

A388


Very funny, as it clearly seems that LAX gets the oldest planes - PH-BFC dates from 1989 and does not operate to the Dutch Caribbean.

For the record:
- BON and AUA see A333 (latest 2014) and A332 (latest 2010)
- SXM and CUR see A332 (latest 2010)
- CUR sees B744 (latest 2002) = 13 years younger than PH-BFC.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:49 am

Factsonly we've been through this already. What I meant was aircraft type. I'm not blind or whatever to know that they also send the A330. I know that. I'm talking about the 744 in general and not which one of them is older or younger.

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Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:48 am

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KLM is historically known to put its oldest airplanes on their Dutch Caribbean routes so sadly this schedule change doesn't surprise me.

A388


That's correct, the DC10,743, MD11 and now the 744 are all operated to the last plane in the Dutch Caribbean.

But I in this case i prefer the KLM 744 seating plan (35C,36W,337Y) above the 773 seating plan (34C,40W,334Y)
C = business class
W= economy comfort class
Y = economy class.

- The 777 gives a "too many seats in one room feeling" when you enter the aircraft, especially the 10 seat lay-out in economy is awfull.
- Travelling C-class, the 744 also gives a far more exclusive feeling, because the C-class is devided in two sections, clearly separated, especially the fwd maindeck section (15 seats) is imho the best place to travel . At the 777 nearly all C-seats are positioned in one section, with a few seats even located in front of the economy comfort section.
- Economy comfort (W) class at the 744 provides also two seat options, preferred by many couples. and has a dedicated section. At the 777 only a 3 or 4 seat option is provided and all are in one large section together with Y-class..

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Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:06 am

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Factsonly we've been through this already. What I meant was aircraft type. I'm not blind or whatever to know that they also send the A330. I know that. I'm talking about the 744 in general and not which one of them is older or younger.

A388


I am going to agree with 747Classic here. From your spotter's perspective, I understand why you want to see some newer types in CUR. If you also are a (regular?) passenger, I am going to throw a 'be careful what you wish for' warning out there. 10 Abreast 77Ws are the most awful rides out there if you fly Y. LOUD, small seats, tight pitch, ridiculously narrow aisles. Did I already mention LOUD?

Also, from a fleet planning perspective, I can understand why KL puts the older planes on tourist heavy routes, and puts the planes with the 'latest and greatest' on more business heavy routes where they have competition from carriers of a different caliber as TUIfly.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:33 am

747classic wrote:
A388 wrote:
KLM is historically known to put its oldest airplanes on their Dutch Caribbean routes so sadly this schedule change doesn't surprise me.

A388


That's correct, the DC10,743, MD11 and now the 744 are all operated to the last plane in the Dutch Caribbean.

But I in this case i prefer the KLM 744 seating plan (35C,36W,337Y) above the 773 seating plan (34C,40W,334Y)
C = business class
W= economy comfort class
Y = economy class.

- The 777 gives a "too many seats in one room feeling" when you enter the aircraft, especially the 10 seat lay-out in economy is awfull.
- Travelling C-class, the 744 also gives a far more exclusive feeling, because the C-class is devided in two sections, clearly separated, especially the fwd maindeck section (15 seats) is imho the best place to travel . At the 777 nearly all C-seats are positioned in one section, with a few seats even located in front of the economy comfort section.
- Economy comfort (W) class at the 744 provides also two seat options, preferred by many couples. and has a dedicated section. At the 777 only a 3 or 4 seat option is provided and all are in one large section together with Y-class..
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Amen to that. Especially for C-Class, the 747 is definitely the better plane when compared with a 777. The 747 offers the much better architecture with its exclusive nose and upper deck compartments. The 777 is just an ordinary big tube. And I dont want to talk about Y-class 10-abreast T7s...
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:12 pm

Both PH-BFF and BFR in my backyard (4 km from my home)

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Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:45 pm

I think the last flight of the PH-BFC will be KL685/686 to Mexico City
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:46 pm

I have been monitoring PH-BFC as she makes her way down to LAX on what we thought might be her final round trip. That said I noticed that R24 shows her operating KL685/686 MEX on the 7th and that would see her arriving into AMS on the 8th. Nice to see her fly an additional day, meanwhile thank you lemand91 for helping me keep track of this bird.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:47 pm

PH-BFC gets another flight.
At the moment she's about an hour away from landing at Los Angeles. Back at Schiphol in the morning of March 7th.
Then a flight to Mexico-City, back to Amsterdam in the afternoon of March 8th.
That night she goes to Hong Kong with arrival back in Amsterdam on the evening of March 9th; the last flight.

She's off to Teruel, Spain early next week.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:21 am

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She's off to Teruel, Spain early next week.


Why not keep her in Holland?
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:32 am

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Give 747Classic something to look at.

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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:36 am

I think all the entire 747 will left fleet and replaced by the 787-9/10 soon.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:22 pm

Seen the present restraints at Amsterdam airport (max 500.000 movements/year until 2020) it seems contra productive for KLM to replace larger units (744's) with smaller units (787-9/10's) in the next few years and keep production at the present level.
Perhaps the 744 phaseout schedule will be adapted/ or additional 773's must be ordered..
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:28 pm

747classic wrote:
Seen the present restraints at Amsterdam airport (max 500.000 movements/year until 2020) it seems contra productive for KLM to replace larger units (744's) with smaller units (787-9/10's) in the next few years and keep production at the present level.
Perhaps the 744 phaseout schedule will be adapted/ or additional 773's must be ordered..


Not sure if at this point in time it is wise to order factory-new 77Ws anymore. Grab a few 77Ws coming off (EK-?)leases for short term solution or up-gauge a few of the coming A359s to A35Ks might be wiser.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:34 pm

747Classic, FrancisBegbie and na, I totally understand what you're saying and I know that eventually we will see their 77W to the Dutch Caribbean. My only point was that we always get the oldest aircraft types which is done for reasons you mentioned already. Talking about using the greatest and latest airplanes on routes with competition, what was the reason KL initially started flying to Sri Lanka with their brandnew 789 while there is no competition on that route directly. Was this to better compete indirectly with EK, QR or any other airline flying from Europe to Sri Lanka? Or was that just the right-sized airplane for KL on that route compared to the A332 or A333?


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Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:21 pm

FrancisBegbie wrote:
747classic wrote:
Seen the present restraints at Amsterdam airport (max 500.000 movements/year until 2020) it seems contra productive for KLM to replace larger units (744's) with smaller units (787-9/10's) in the next few years and keep production at the present level.
Perhaps the 744 phaseout schedule will be adapted/ or additional 773's must be ordered..


Not sure if at this point in time it is wise to order factory-new 77Ws anymore. Grab a few 77Ws coming off (EK-?)leases for short term solution or up-gauge a few of the coming A359s to A35Ks might be wiser.

Heard rumors somewhere KL was indeed looking at adding used 77W's to replace the remaining 744 full pax birds. EK's 77W's will probably be cheaper than those from JJ or CX.
A350-1000 instead of -900s is something I've been thinking as well, but KL's A350 deliveries have been pushed back another year and will now arrive between 2021 and 2023. Too late to replace 744 full pax, so I expect the A350s for KL will be just -900s (if they ever come... :old: )
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. . . but KL's A350 deliveries have been pushed back another year and will now arrive between 2021 and 2023. Too late to replace 744 full pax, so I expect the A350s for KL will be just -900s (if they ever come... :old: )


Apparently Janaillac confirmed this week that KLM would start receiving their A350s in 2020.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:46 pm

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Meanwhile; PH-BFW has returned to Xiamen for a C-check a week ago. She was there in 2016 for a D-check.


The Chinese did a touch up of the paintjob too. Before:

ImageKLM B747 by Ramon Kok, on Flickr

Now:

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Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:52 am

PH-BFC is on her very last commercial flight: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM888/10a801e9
Hong Kong to Amsterdam, arrival a 19:14.
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Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:39 pm

And she's done.

Leaving Amsterdam for Hong Kong, Yesterday evening:

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Leaving Hong Kong back to Amsterdam:

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Arrival at Amsterdam, about 2 hours ago:

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Now the original 22 strong KLM 747-400 fleet is down to 12. City of Atlanta is going to Teruel, Spain next week...
At this point; this PH-BFC is likely the new record holder of any jet airliner for most flight hours with at least 141.000 flying hours!
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:50 am

Both KLM and Boeing should be proud. What a testimony to the quality of the 747-400 product and KLM maintenance.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:17 am

That's hard to beat, 141.000 but all good must come to an end. Spent a lot happy flying hours onboard BFC.
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Sitting here in Calgary I was absolutely delighted to see the photo coverage of her last day in service, great work by all involved. Also delighted that I was able to fly on her just two weeks before her final flight and also to see and photograph the Calgary plaque on board. My mind goes back to 1989 when we were expecting her to visit Calgary on her delivery flight from Boeing. Sadly cancelled at the last minute and a big disappointment for all of us including the then station manager for KLM in Calgary who has since passed away. I am curious to know what will become of that plaque and I know that KLM will take good care of it. Finally huge congratulations to KLM and Boeing, and thank you KLM for the great inflight service during my eight hours on BFC.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:31 pm

Iemand91 wrote:

Now the original 22 strong KLM 747-400 fleet is down to 12. City of Atlanta is going to Teruel, Spain next week...
At this point; this PH-BFC is likely the new record holder of any jet airliner for most flight hours with at least 141.000 flying hours!


Atlanta has been in Teruel for some time, no?


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Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:45 pm

notaxonrotax wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:

Now the original 22 strong KLM 747-400 fleet is down to 12. City of Atlanta is going to Teruel, Spain next week...
At this point; this PH-BFC is likely the new record holder of any jet airliner for most flight hours with at least 141.000 flying hours!


Atlanta has been in Teruel for some time, no?


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She joined -BFM (first retired KLM 747-400) and PH-BFO at the time.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:35 pm

With PH-BFC retired what will be the next KL 744's to go based on hours/cycles?
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:21 am

aristoenigma wrote:
With PH-BFC retired what will be the next KL 744's to go based on hours/cycles?


PH-BFB in November 2018, see most recent phase-out schedule in this thread.

747classic wrote:

Most recent KLM 744 phase-out schedule (subject to change) :

PH-BFC 7 Mar-18
PH-BFB Nov-18
PH-BFU Dec-18
PH-BFG Nov-19
PH-BFH Mar-20
PH-BFI May-20
PH-BFS Jun-20
PH-BFT Oct-20
PH-BFL Nov-20
PH-BFV Mar-21
PH-BFN Apr-21
PH-BFW Apr-21
PH-BFY Jun-21

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Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:40 am

PH-BFC is online, here final flight to Teruel: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM9879/10affe51
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:58 am

PH-BFC is on the ground in Teruel.
Is it known, what total flight hours has she logged?
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:07 pm

Strange as I would thought that KLM would remove the logos and banner on BFC before sending her to the axeman
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:49 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
Strange as I would thought that KLM would remove the logos and banner on BFC before sending her to the axeman

The 747's that are send to Teruel are still owned by KLM. A lot of parts are finding their way back to Schiphol.
The 747's that are send to other places (Melbourne, Twente, and Mojave) are not owned by KLM anymore, thus the KLM logo's are removed.

Total number for City of Calgary; 141.938 flying hours and 17.271 cycles. (as far as I know now)
Beating both her sisters PH-BFD and -BFF with that number of flying hours and likely the new record holder of most flying hours for any jet airliner.
(Despite being of out of the running for several months in 1989/1990 after flight KL867: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867)

Short impression of today:.

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Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:43 pm

Great video of PH-BFC leaving Amsterdam for the very last time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8QScGnGGlI

Interesting note: the captain of this flight was Walter Vuurboom.
He was one of the 2 co-pilots in 1989 on flight KL867 that flew into a thick cloud of volcanic ash of Mount Redoubt.
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Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:24 pm

Yes, it is gone. Another combi is gone. Is being flown to Spain, Teruel

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Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:31 pm

So, now this bird is gone it makes me wonder, is this aircraft really the all time recordholder for flight hours? Or just civil?
Also, any chance it will ever be surpassed? It seems aircraft are discarded much sooner these days.
And why KLM? They seem to have a lot of high hrs 747. Apparently it makes economical sense? Any thoughts?
 
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Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:09 pm

Bavd wrote:
So, now this bird is gone it makes me wonder, is this aircraft really the all time recordholder for flight hours? Or just civil?
Also, any chance it will ever be surpassed? It seems aircraft are discarded much sooner these days.
And why KLM? They seem to have a lot of high hrs 747. Apparently it makes economical sense? Any thoughts?

Various topics on this forum have been about record holders. There has never been any source/statement of a airliner that had made more flying hours than these KLM birds.
Civil airlines likely making more hours than non-civil and 140.000 hours takes a looong time to reach.

KLM has high maintenance standards and they use their 747-combis a lot.
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Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:04 pm

747classic wrote:
aristoenigma wrote:
With PH-BFC retired what will be the next KL 744's to go based on hours/cycles?


PH-BFB in November 2018, see most recent phase-out schedule in this thread.

747classic wrote:

Most recent KLM 744 phase-out schedule (subject to change) :

PH-BFC 7 Mar-18
PH-BFB Nov-18
PH-BFU Dec-18
PH-BFG Nov-19
PH-BFH Mar-20
PH-BFI May-20
PH-BFS Jun-20
PH-BFT Oct-20
PH-BFL Nov-20
PH-BFV Mar-21
PH-BFN Apr-21
PH-BFW Apr-21
PH-BFY Jun-21

Source : Scrammble- Praethuis - KLM (Dutch ).


Would KLM'S three 744 freighters have projected retirement dates as well? They have more recent delivery dates within 15 or so years so maybe they'll go way into the 200K before sold or parked?
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:15 pm

aristoenigma wrote:
Would KLM'S three 744 freighters have projected retirement dates as well? They have more recent delivery dates within 15 or so years so maybe they'll go way into the 200K before sold or parked?

AF/KLM has not made a public statement about retirement dates for the 4 freighters.
In July last year; AF/KLM Cargo's EVP Marcel de Nooijer has told the 3 747-400ERF's (PH-CKA, -CKB and -CKC) have at least another 15 years in them and the sole 747-400BCF (PH-MPS) just completed a D-check and should last for another 5 years because of that. (After leasing it for years they also bought this -MPS from AirCastle shortly after that D-check)

But obviously this is no guarantee for another 15 years of KLM 747 freighters. They might as well retire when the last passenger 747 retires in 2021.
There have been rumours though about a replacement 747-400ERF for the 747-400BCF but it don't know of any of that is true.
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:12 pm

747classic wrote:
aristoenigma wrote:
With PH-BFC retired what will be the next KL 744's to go based on hours/cycles?


PH-BFB in November 2018, see most recent phase-out schedule in this thread.

747classic wrote:

Most recent KLM 744 phase-out schedule (subject to change) :

PH-BFC 7 Mar-18
PH-BFB Nov-18
PH-BFU Dec-18
PH-BFG Nov-19
PH-BFH Mar-20
PH-BFI May-20
PH-BFS Jun-20
PH-BFT Oct-20
PH-BFL Nov-20
PH-BFV Mar-21
PH-BFN Apr-21
PH-BFW Apr-21
PH-BFY Jun-21

Source : Scrammble- Praethuis - KLM (Dutch ).


Is there a cycle/hours reason that PH-BFU is slated for a 2018 retirement when it first flew in 1997? Was there a usage reason? For instance PH-PFB was delivered in 1989 and is slated for retirement in 2018 as well.
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:29 pm

aristoenigma wrote:
Is there a cycle/hours reason that PH-BFU is slated for a 2018 retirement when it first flew in 1997? Was there a usage reason? For instance PH-PFB was delivered in 1989 and is slated for retirement in 2018 as well.


Pretty sure that its due for some major maintenance, likely a D-check.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:51 pm

At the moment; PH-BFV "City of Vancouver" is at George Bush Intercontinental Airport
She's the last KLM 747 to visit Houston.
She wil depart Houston with horses in the back at 16:35 local time, arriving at Amsterdam at 07:35 the next day.

A 777-200ER will fly to Houston on Saturday, starting Sunday the 787-9 will take over the daily flights to Houston.



Houston has always been a 747 destination for KLM, pretty much since they got the 747-200.
If I'm correct, KLM started flying their 747-200 to Houston, starting September 13, 1971; 7 months after the arrival of the very first 747-200 PH-BUA "Mississippi" in February 1971.
The route was going from Amsterdam to Houston with a stop in Montreal.


Apart from the occasional 747 sub from Lufthansa; Houston now loses the last regularly scheduled passenger flight...
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:36 pm

Last day today 03/23/2018 for the KLM combi at IAH. It's been a long run!
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:19 am

PH-BFV operating the very last KLM 747 flight to Houston:

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Last KLM 747 @ IAH by Jorge A. Zajia, on Flickr

In the background the Atlas Air 747, next Wednesday is the last flight to Luanda from Houston:

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Last KLM 747 @ IAH by Jorge A. Zajia, on Flickr
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Last KLM 747 @ IAH by Jorge A. Zajia, on Flickr
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Last KLM 747 @ IAH by Jorge A. Zajia, on Flickr
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