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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:01 pm

Air Canada #1 (LN 6634) seen in final assembly today:

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:32 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
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Southwest has taken delivery of their 7th 737Max N8707P

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8700

Former 9M-LRC has entered commercial service today as PK-LQK after 1 month at SZB

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-lqk#

9M-LRD was ferried also today to SZB for mods and repaint and is scheduled to be redelivered to Lion Air next month

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9m-lrd#


I’m surprised that they just had the aircraft parked for over a month instead of flying around until it was time for mods.

I'm not surprised. I do not believe the mods we're optional. In other words, it wasn't passenger certified until brought up to the certification standard. Boeing would have to pay fees in compensation, but on paper it is delivered!

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:37 pm

lightsaber wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
boefan wrote:
Southwest has taken delivery of their 7th 737Max N8707P

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8700

Former 9M-LRC has entered commercial service today as PK-LQK after 1 month at SZB

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-lqk#

9M-LRD was ferried also today to SZB for mods and repaint and is scheduled to be redelivered to Lion Air next month

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9m-lrd#


I’m surprised that they just had the aircraft parked for over a month instead of flying around until it was time for mods.

I'm not surprised. I do not believe the mods we're optional. In other words, it wasn't passenger certified until brought up to the certification standard. Boeing would have to pay fees in compensation, but on paper it is delivered!


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I thought the mods had something to do with Lion Air, not Boeing. It seemed weird that Malindo Air all of a sudden stopped flying the aircraft and then they ended up with JT. Do you happen to know any specifics of the mods?
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:37 am

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I'm not surprised. I do not believe the mods we're optional. In other words, it wasn't passenger certified until brought up to the certification standard. Boeing would have to pay fees in compensation, but on paper it is delivered!

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I doubt it could have been delivered that way as it would need an FAA acceptance without which it couldn't be sold. If it was delivering without seats, not a big issue but if there were other modifications to bring it up to production standard no way.
 
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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:41 am

Shanghai Airlines LN 6464 still sitting at the ramp in full livery:

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Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:44 am

Flydubai LN 6548 has been spotted with a Boeing test registration (N60668):

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Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:51 pm

AA is expected to take their first 737 MAX this Thursday 9/28,
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:58 pm

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AA is expected to take their first 737 MAX this Thursday 9/28,



Don't they normally fly newly delivered 737's to the TUL MX base?
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:28 pm

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Southwest has taken delivery of their 7th 737Max N8707P

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8700



Small correction yesterday SWA took delivery of their 6th MAX aircraft but today another one was delivered N8712L reaching a total of 7 frames :D

https://www.flightradar24.com/SWA8700

2 more are sheduled to be delivered in the next 4 days
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:22 am

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AA is expected to take their first 737 MAX this Thursday 9/28,



Don't they normally fly newly delivered 737's to the TUL MX base?


Yes, to be outfitted with wifi, entertainment and other items before being put into service.
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Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:16 am

boefan wrote:
boefan wrote:
Southwest has taken delivery of their 7th 737Max N8707P

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8700



Small correction yesterday SWA took delivery of their 6th MAX aircraft but today another one was delivered N8712L reaching a total of 7 frames :D

https://www.flightradar24.com/SWA8700

2 more are sheduled to be delivered in the next 4 days


WN is finally clearing up the BFI ramp for other operators to get their hands on the MAX!

In other news, WestJet #2 C-FNAX had its first flight today
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... x/#f01a70e


N8714Q has its first flight Monday 9/25. Here is the aircraft undergoing a taxi test on Friday 9/22
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Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:05 am

Here are some shots of C-FNAX returning from her first flight
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First shot that I've seen of the 2nd 737 MAX 9 produced in flight! Really love look the -9
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by Tyke's Aero Blog, on Flickr

9V-MBA has been very active recently, I think delivery will be happening some time soon
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C-FRAX, WestJet #1 has also been very active recently, delivery could be happening soon
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C-FRAX

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N8712L, which was delivered today 9/26 pictured on a test flight days prior.
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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:38 am

I noticed N8713M has ETOPS markings. Are all of the MAX aircraft for Southwest ETOPS-configured and just not labelled or is this the first one?
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:33 am

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I noticed N8713M has ETOPS markings. Are all of the MAX aircraft for Southwest ETOPS-configured and just not labelled or is this the first one?


The first few weren't ETOPS configured at the time but they have changed since.
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:35 am

8 MAX8 delivered to WN! One more to go for 10/1...
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:47 pm

American Airlines first MAX N324RA has filed a delivery flight to TUL later today

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9701
 
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:49 pm

Silk Air #1 9V-MBA has been delivered!
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AA is also expected to take its first MAX today
https://airlinegeeks.com/2017/09/28/ame ... -aircraft/
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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:34 pm

AA's first 737 MAX is currently on its way to TUL.
https://www.flightradar24.com/AAL9701/f08c8b9
 
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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:22 am

Boeing posted some nice shots of AA's first aircraft.
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Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:36 am

More nice shots by Boeing, this time of SilkAir's first 737 MAX departing on its delivery flight.
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Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:51 am

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I'm not surprised. I do not believe the mods we're optional. In other words, it wasn't passenger certified until brought up to the certification standard. Boeing would have to pay fees in compensation, but on paper it is delivered!

Lightsaber


I doubt it could have been delivered that way as it would need an FAA acceptance without which it couldn't be sold. If it was delivering without seats, not a big issue but if there were other modifications to bring it up to production standard no way.

I didn't mean basic flight safety. That must be at certification standard. There are numerous subsystems that the earliest builds always need improvements to carry passengers. I've seen deliveries that only crew could fly on. This allows route planning and training. The list can be lavatory components, galley features, or even items in the passenger emergency oxygen system. It can even be slides and life rafts.

Then again, I've flown on aircraft where only those certified in emergency evacuation could fly on. I know where the cable reels are, ropes, where to rip up the carpet to get into the cargo hold and how to open those cargo doors. If course standards on door opening and slides.

So there is a huge difference between what an airline can accept and what you can fly passengers with. With new configurations, there are always issues.

If it's something like making a new galley wire harness, why wouldn't the airline accept delivery on time if properly compensated? Or new brackets for potable water lines? Not ever airline is QR. ;). Remember, cabin testing is late in the process.

So the mod can be mandatory, but only if passengers are onboard.

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:50 am

I wasn't talking "basic flight safety". An FAA acceptance is more than basic flight safety, it means the airplane is per drawing, all the parts are working as advertised including all the subsystems and it's in delivery configuration. The FAA has the authority to fly on every airplane produced before the production certificate is issued to make sure the airplane is built correctly and they use that authority.

I agree with you, with new configurations/models there are always issues, but as far as my experience (Boeing) goes most if not all of those are taken care of before the airplane is/can be delivered. There might be work-arounds here and there but those are few and far between and blessed by the FAA -- but they are still able to carry passengers. If you can't put people on it, it isn't going anywhere because the FAA won't ticket it and/or the customer wants Boeing to do the work at point of manufacture.

If you need a new galley wiring harness it's not per drawing and it doesn't get a ticket. If the brackets for potable water aren't right, same thing -- you don't ship it. If it's unpainted or the seats aren't installed you can take it home if that's the way it was supposed to be delivered but that's a known "issue". The 787 had a lot of "mods" in the first several months, but they all left town able to carry passengers. There are issues that money changes hands over but the airplane is passenger worthy on delivery.

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:10 am

FlyDubai 737MAX8 A6-FMB has been delivered

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Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:17 pm

First WestJet MAX is set to be delivered today! Flying to YYC as WS8964.
 
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Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:32 pm

WestJet's first MAX taking to the skies. They become the 8th airline to take delivery of the MAX and the 3rd this week to get their first aircraft.
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:18 pm

Another MAX delivered for Southwest, this time N8713M

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Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:21 pm

Maybe it has been ready to go for awhile but I noticed this one is just now flying from Washington to PHX to start operations tomorrow. People on here would know better than me if that is common or if they usually fly to an airlines base first days before they go into service.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KBFI/KPHX
 
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:34 pm

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Maybe it has been ready to go for awhile but I noticed this one is just now flying from Washington to PHX to start operations tomorrow. People on here would know better than me if that is common or if they usually fly to an airlines base first days before they go into service.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KBFI/KPHX


Our "make ready" procedure is fairly quick. I can't speak to the MAX specifically, but I picked up a new -800 in PAE after it had the wifi installed and ferried it to PHX. We arrived @ midnight and delivered it directly to the MX hangar where it was loaded with all the provisioning and safety equipment and was due to fly the line the next day.

Keep in mind that by this point, it has already undergone acceptance/testing flights up in Renton.
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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:25 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
Maybe it has been ready to go for awhile but I noticed this one is just now flying from Washington to PHX to start operations tomorrow. People on here would know better than me if that is common or if they usually fly to an airlines base first days before they go into service.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KBFI/KPHX


Our "make ready" procedure is fairly quick. I can't speak to the MAX specifically, but I picked up a new -800 in PAE after it had the wifi installed and ferried it to PHX. We arrived @ midnight and delivered it directly to the MX hangar where it was loaded with all the provisioning and safety equipment and was due to fly the line the next day.

Keep in mind that by this point, it has already undergone acceptance/testing flights up in Renton.


That's good too know.......Barney Captain you've been missed around these parts my good sir....
 
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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:34 pm

barney captain wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Maybe it has been ready to go for awhile but I noticed this one is just now flying from Washington to PHX to start operations tomorrow. People on here would know better than me if that is common or if they usually fly to an airlines base first days before they go into service.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KBFI/KPHX


Our "make ready" procedure is fairly quick. I can't speak to the MAX specifically, but I picked up a new -800 in PAE after it had the wifi installed and ferried it to PHX. We arrived @ midnight and delivered it directly to the MX hangar where it was loaded with all the provisioning and safety equipment and was due to fly the line the next day.

Keep in mind that by this point, it has already undergone acceptance/testing flights up in Renton.


I figure it has been ready to go for a week or more and they just didn't fly to PHX yet? I was wondering how close they would push it to be ready for tomorrow. I was assuming it wouldn't have just been ready to go yesterday and they would have a buffer to make sure it was ready.

I also didn't know if Boeing would just keep them in Washington longer after it was ready for delivery if you wanted or if you had to accept delivery when it was finished.
 
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:02 pm

^There were delays with Boeing on 8713. SWA wanted the plane earlier. But as Barney Captain said, the make ready process is really quick. It will probably be done before we go to bed. The hardest part is paperwork and such all loaded without any issues.
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:05 pm

Shanghai Airlines 1st MAX is flying on a B1 flight with temp reg N6046P as BOE601

https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE601
 
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:40 am

Shanghai Airlines first MAX doing a touch and go

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Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:19 am

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FlyDubai 737 MAX 8 A6-FMA has been delivered


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Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:30 am

Looks like Boeing is making good progress with MAX deliveries. Really fast ramp up!
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:08 pm

First 737MAX for China Eastern awaiting engine installation

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Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:21 pm

Second 737MAX for Shanghai Airlines awaiting winglets and engines

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Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:45 pm

Second 737MAX for American Airlines awaiting first flight

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Another Southwest 737MAX awaiting first flight

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Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:13 pm

WestJet's second MAX C-FNAX scheduled for delivery today as WS8965.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ws8965
 
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:52 pm

Another MAX delivered for Southwest, N8714Q

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Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:53 pm

So when will we see the tipping point ...ie.....when will Boeing start delivering more Max's
than classics? I'm figuring couple more years?
 
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:59 pm

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So when will we see the tipping point ...ie.....when will Boeing start delivering more Max's
than classics? I'm figuring couple more years?


Well the classics have been out of production for almost 2 decades now... hehe. More MAX than NG will still take a few years me thinks.
 
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:18 pm

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Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:34 pm

First MAX for Aerolineas Aregentina has begun its assembly journey. This will be a looker for sure

https://twitter.com/aeroimageschris/sta ... 9795392512
 
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Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:42 pm

China Southern first 737MAX first flight

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Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:36 pm

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Another MAX delivered for Southwest, N8714Q


8714 was delivered with "ETOPS" painted on the gear doors. I believe this is the first WN MAX to have that. Wonder why the others don't?
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:32 pm

WestJet C-GXAX is on its first flight currently.
https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE403/f19427f
 
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QANTAS747-438 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Another MAX delivered for Southwest, N8714Q


8714 was delivered with "ETOPS" painted on the gear doors. I believe this is the first WN MAX to have that. Wonder why the others don't?


8713 was the first.
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Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:23 am

SilkAir has begun 737 MAX ops, 10/5
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9v-mba/

Production of the first wing spar for the first 737 MAX 7 has also started
https://twitter.com/boeingairplanes/sta ... 8453942272
 
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Production of the first wing spar for the first 737 MAX 7 has also started
https://twitter.com/boeingairplanes/sta ... 8453942272

Also covered in FG: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -7-441830/

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