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What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Sun Nov 26, 2000 6:48 pm

As you all know, all of TWA's 747s were gone. However, do you guys know what happened to them? Especially the B 741s?
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Sun Nov 26, 2000 6:52 pm

They are sitting in a desert, waiting to be made into your next frying pan.
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Sun Nov 26, 2000 6:58 pm

I see.. Frying pan, soft drink cans etc etc. They are all possible

I see. Which desert is it being stored?

Can't they be converted into freighters?
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Sun Nov 26, 2000 7:15 pm

Isnt it that Mojave desert, or somewhere in Mexico.
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Sun Nov 26, 2000 7:33 pm

One question..

why did they bother repainting the 747-100s even though they were going to retire them anyway?
 
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RE: Thai747

Sun Nov 26, 2000 9:11 pm

Strongly agree!

Maybe they went through the D check and they painted them
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Sun Nov 26, 2000 10:39 pm

Isn't one thing that had them get retired faster TW800? If so, then that would explain why.
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 1:05 am

I think the last 747 flight with TW was back in mid 98. TW wanted to keep them longer but They were already suffering from TW800. They had to get rid of them before the media would give them more bad publicity for keeping older planes. They've already been criticised by the families from the US and Europe as well as New York Mayor Rudolph Guliani as well as New York Governer George Pataki for their failure to notify families of the death of their loved ones on time as well as to get the passenger manufast out quickly. PAN AM had suffered the same fall out when they didn't notify us of that my best friend and his family died on 103 and they didn't give us a copy of the manufast until days later. My family didn't find out about the crash until later on the evening news. TWA couldn't afford to suffer like PA did after 103 so they had to get rid of the 747s
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RE: Thai747

Mon Nov 27, 2000 1:29 am

Yeah it was a bit of a money-waster. But you have to admit that it really did look very striking!


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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 1:56 am

So if there isn't any TW 800 crash, when will these 747s last till? Perhaps till now?
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 2:37 am

That picture would look even better if it was a 747-400.  
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 3:55 am

Hi there,
Yes, if TW800 had not been doomed, then the
747s would surely still be flying today. This also
triggerd TWA to phase out the L1011s and 727s
a lot earlier than they originally planned.
They were forced to change fleet policy so to
speak.
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 4:05 am

there is a place for jets in the the desert by a city called Mojave, and Edwards airforce base. i saw some TWA's there but i dont remember if there were any 747's.
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 4:30 am

These jets are in Marana/Pina Airpark (outside Tuscon, AZ).


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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 2:16 pm

So that's the end of TWA's 741s. Sad.......

Do you guys know whether they have a chance to be converted into Frieghters or even passenger aircraft for some third world countries?

Or will they simply be made into our next frying pan? Sad to see a 747 classic go

 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 2:29 pm

Most likely the engines have been stripped off and they are rotting(no longer airworthy).The TW800 crash caused TWA to get rid of the 747-100's and -200's they had, and also the 727 and the L-1011.


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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 6:58 pm

I really don't why they re-painted them even when they know that their 747s are going to retire soon.......

A waste of money.......

I don't think TWA will be getting any 747s anymore. What do you guys think? Do you think they ganna get some 747-400s in the future?
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 7:29 pm

About painting:
B747-131 N93108 was painted in the new colours 2 months before the crash of TW800. It was one of the first aircraft to have the striking new livery and was used for advertising. After TW800 I think there was only one more 747 which received the new colours. At least one more 747 (a leased 747-200B) was painted in a hybrid livery (mainly white with the new titles).

Most ex-TWA-747s, at least all the original 747-131s from 1970/71 (and L-1011 Tristars) are in the process of being scrapped or are stored as spare parts supply at Mojave.
One or two I´ve heard will go to Japan as Restaurants (most likely only the fuselage).
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:07 pm


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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Mon Nov 27, 2000 9:17 pm

TWA is not likely to get 747s again any time soon. The airline is a shell of its former self and only operates the 767-200 for international routes.
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Tue Nov 28, 2000 4:21 am

TW is in the midst of completely overhailing its fleet plan by retiring all 747s, 727s, and L1011. It is now completing its retirement of DC9s and 767-200s.

TW has introduced new fleets of 757s and 717s. New 767-300ERs are coming on property and Airbus A318 and A319 will in 3 years.

Not all TW 747s are toast. Some were convereted to freighers one is flying presently with Evergreen.
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Tue Nov 28, 2000 4:41 am

Contrary to popular belief on this board, 800 was not the primary cause of the 747's demise (and for that matter the L-1011 and 727) at TW. All three were on their way out.

By mid-'96 virtually all of TW's 741s had reached the 100,000 hour mark. (800's N93119 was the baby of the bunch with 93,000+ when she was lost) They were quite simply wearing out. The L-1011s were being dumped at that time for the same reasons everyone else was dumping them. (high fuel consumption; maintenance and spares costs) The 727-100s were long gone ('93) and the oldest -200s in the fleet ('68-'70) were mostly gone.

With TW's gradual withdrawal from Europe and the Middle East and 757s and MD-80s on order to replace the L10s and 727s on domestic routes, The days of all three were numbered at the time of 800. The public perception caused by the usual post-crash media frenzy did accelerate the 747 retirement a bit.

As for seeing any more 747-131s being turned into freighters, forget it. Those birds are part of an exclusive (for the time being) club having reached the 100,000 hour mark. To my knowledge AF and BA are the only other airlines to have put over 100K on a 747. KLM and Swissair have both done it with DC-10s. All told there are probably fewer than 25 airframes of all types that have flown over 100,000 hours. When they're retired, nobody wants them.
 
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RE: What Happened To TWA's B 747s?

Tue Nov 28, 2000 6:11 am

Exnonrev hit the nail right on the head. The airframes could have been salvaged, but they all required replacement of major structural components, including main wing spars. The cost was prohibitive to say the least. Interestingly enough, Virgin has also operated 747's well beyond the 100,000 hour mark with at least 3 aircraft. My memory is kinda dodgy so i'm not sure which ones, although they were all listed on here a week ago. Search under the "history of G-VMIA" topic.


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