Mon Mar 29, 1999 6:22 am

Is it true that many russian built aircrafts are not allowed to land on many european int. airports due
to noise-restrictions?
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RE: Noiselevels

Mon Mar 29, 1999 6:27 am

In cases such as the old Tupolev airliners yes.
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RE: Noiselevels

Mon Mar 29, 1999 6:34 am

I can say you that here in FAO, there are no problems with Tu-154; Tu-134; Il-62 and Il-96.

In fact, much more noiser than this russian planes is the BAC-111.

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RE: Noiselevels

Mon Mar 29, 1999 10:48 am

Well we all know the upcoming problems with noise levels and stage2 restrictions (and hushkit-models) as from the year 2002.
Most of the European airports want to ban noisy or old aircraft as from 2002, but some airports are eager to ban some types sooner.
Belgium has already made a blacklist with some B707's which cannot operate in Belgian airspace anylonger. The Belgian Airport called Ostend (which is frequently visited by different type of Russian freighters like IL76, AN124, AN12, AN26, IL18, TU154, here if you want to read about Ostend flights) is already struggling with noise restrictions. The IL76 is making so much turbulence and noise, that the politicians in Belgium are categorizing it as a Stage 2 aircraft and all aircraft which are not classified under Stage 3 should pay almost 50% more airport taxes when they operate into or from Ostend over night ! So it is the same as for example the B707.
The average of the Russians are noisy, but have you heard the Concorde taking off ??
And believe me that a DC8, DC10 or B707 can sometimes make as much noise as some Russians.
To answer to your question, I don't know which airports could/will restrict only Russians from entering, but I do know that some airports try to get rid of them.
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RE: Noiselevels

Mon Mar 29, 1999 9:13 pm

In Holland, we cannot totally ban noisy aircraft. They just have to pay double when it comes to landingfees.
Russians are noisy yes, but not 'noisier' than a DC-9, 737-200, 727, BAC111 etc. They were designed at about the same time as those Western planes were...
The il76 is a seperate story. He's just LOUD!!! (I like it.. hehehe...) But it is stage 3. Stage 3 has something to do with bypass-ratio of the engine, and the il76 applies for stage 3 for that matter. But the An124 is stage2 for some strange reason. Maybe the 'stage-2/3'rules have more points of qualification.

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RE: Noiselevels/IL76

Tue Mar 30, 1999 12:05 am

Well the reason why I stated the Stage 2 thing with IL76, was because the Belgian authorities just decided (just like that) that all IL76 that operate on Ostend are considered stage 2 instead of stage 3. Of course it is not fair, but who will do something about it? It shows how eager the airports are to ban noisy or older aircraft !