jonnyboy
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Future Of 757 Program

Tue Nov 28, 2000 10:34 am

Lets face it, the 757-300 didnt live up to expectations, and looks pretty stupid anyway. Like a huge unelegant swan infact. So what will the future hold for the 757 program. The '6 has seen a huge upgrade in the 400, and a steady stream of orders...what for the '5

In my opinion, a NG program could do alright. The plane has no real competitors in its class (180-220 seats) and has a proven success record. The A330-500 is just stupid; A321 is really a different market. How about a spanking new 757, FBW cockpit, remodelled interior, new engines (IAE/CFM upgrade?) I think they could make some money, especially with BA, SQ, NW, AA...not to mention charter operators
 
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Tue Nov 28, 2000 10:46 am

757 is the best looking plane in the world! It looks better than 747 and A3XX if you ask me.
And about the NG program, I think they are better off making incremental improvements until they shut down 737NG production line and start a whole new program. And that won't be for a long, long time.
 
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Tue Nov 28, 2000 10:58 am

Just a point of clarification... neither the 757-300 nor the 767-400 have particularly large orders outstanding... about 50 for the 764 and about the same for the 753. Both planes offer excellent performance and economic abilities. Remember, that when the 757/767 programs were first launched in 1978 sales were slow well into the mid 1980's. The fact of the matter is that the 757/767 have little direct competition from Airbus. The costs to develop stretched and modestly improved versions of the 757/767 is very small. I suppose at some point Boeing will need to do a major redesign of their mid-sized narrow and wide-body planes, but that is certainly a decent ways off. I'd expect to see longer ranged versions of the 757-200, 767-300, and 767-400.
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jonnyboy
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Tue Nov 28, 2000 11:09 am

The 737 NG was only 13-14 years after the 737-300, so I think it would make sense to just re-do the 757 (launched in 82-83) soon, rather than add range to the same bird. The 757 NG would cost what the 737 NG did, not much, and there is no competition from Airbus in the market. The 767 program is pretty sorted, I think the 764 is doing OK, but the 753 is a dud. If not Boeing then who will develop a 200-seater?
 
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Tue Nov 28, 2000 11:54 am

The 757 essentially is still a modern plane, there is no need for an NG series. The 737NG's were designed because many airlines were opting for the A320 over the 737 because of more range and newer technology. Boeing is working on a 757-200ERX, which could be considered a 757NG.

The 757-300 hasn't cought on yet, but it will soon. CO has placed an order. They plan to use them on the highest capacity domestic routes. The 753 is a profit powerhouse, it has more capacity than a 763, and almost that of a 764, but it costs much less to operate.
 
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Tue Nov 28, 2000 1:58 pm

FYI, as Cba said, the 757 is still a very modern airplane and a very good performer. The 753 doesn't have to sell a lot to be a success. Its low development costs make it an easy money maker for Boeing. It was designed for the small charter market, but as CO's order points out, many others are finding that this plane will fit nicely into their fleets.

Cba, Your numbers are wrong on capacity. If both are configured in a two class layout, the 753 will hold 239, the 763 will hold 269. In one class, the 753 can hold up to 289, the 763 will hold 351.
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steman
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Tue Nov 28, 2000 8:24 pm

Hi,
I think Boeing won't be disappointed by either the 757-300 and the 767-400.
The recent Continental order will probably boost sales for the 753.
Boeing will benefit from the ceased production of the A310 and A300 since Airbus doesn't seem to want to replace them with a new model.
AI could build a stretched and upgraded A321 to compete with the B757 but the market is already in the hands of Boeing so such an operation wouldn't be profitable for AI.
Both manufacturers have a very good range of models and each of them prevails in some market niches, for example the A330-200 is doing very well prevailing over the B767-400 (but this latter saw light two years later) while the B777 seems to sell better than the A340.

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jonnyboy
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Wed Nov 29, 2000 2:10 am

OK, but in the next 10-20 years, will every airline just order new 757s (whatever variant) to replace old ones? Would'nt it make some sense for Airbus to look into a 200-seater? Instead of extending through 600 and down to 100 seat models. I think there has to be a new plane in this category sometime soon!
 
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RE: Future Of 757 Program

Wed Nov 29, 2000 3:42 am

Yes, you're right. It's time that Boeing starts thinking of a replacement of the 757-200. OK, that one is still on production, but the airlines should start thinking about a replacement. Think about it, the 757 will be an old plane in 10 years from now. Like you said, Boeing launched the 757 program in 1978 as a replacement for the 727, at that time the 727 was still young and still in production.
A 757 replacement could be named, like you pointed out, 757NG. The 757NG would have the same length as the current 200, but it would have all the technology involved in designing the 777 and 767-400, that includes LCD displays, FBW controls and maybe higher bypass ratio engines. Perhaps Rolls Royce will designed a successor to the RB211 which currently powers the 757. I imagine that the 757NG will be the 757-400.

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