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Is AC Starting To Phase Out F28s And 737s Yet?

Thu Nov 30, 2000 5:01 am

Since Air Canada now has a plan to phase out Fokker F28s from Canadian Regional's fleet and 737-200s from (Air) Canadian's fleet, as well as the BAe 146s from the regionals, has it already started phasing out the older planes yet?

Or is it far too soon right now? AC does have a plan to phase these a/c out completely by the end of 2005, especially the F28s. I'm also aware that AC's phasing out will take time, as there's an agreement for a certain number of new mainline a/c for every CRJ that gets transferred to the regionals, and probably also for every 737 or F28 that gets taken out of AC/CP's fleet.
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RE: Is AC Starting To Phase Out F28s And 737s Yet?

Thu Nov 30, 2000 6:30 am

I don't think so. If they are phasing them out shortly it doesn't really make sense to be painting all the 732's. They haven't announced a replacement yet for the F-28's either. As soon as that is announced they proably will start the phase out.

RE: Is AC Starting To Phase Out F28s And 737s Yet?

Thu Nov 30, 2000 7:42 am

They definitely haven't started phasing them out yet, but I think it'll happen soon. Once the two airlines can merge and operate as one airline I imagine they'll start to get rid of them...even now Air Canada just placed an order for some A321's, I think this is probably for the high frequency routes an A320 can't handle with the code-sharing for Canadian and Air Canada...any thoughts?
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RE: Is AC Starting To Phase Out F28s And 737s Yet?

Thu Nov 30, 2000 7:57 am

I may have misunderstood your points Flyboy767- but to the best of my knowledge there will be no more code-sharing for Canadian and AC. Aren't they all AC flights? Maybe I'm wrong. And isn't A321 too big to put on high frequency routes? I thought even 320 was too big- that's why they are looking at 318 and 717?

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RE: Is AC Starting To Phase Out F28s And 737s Yet?

Thu Nov 30, 2000 10:08 am

The way I understand it, the new AC pilots contract dictates that half the F28's have to be gone by 2003, with the rest by 2005. There is a restriction limiting AC regionals to 39 RJ's which have to be 55 seats or less (maximum capacity, they can't buy larger aircraft and put fewer seats in). Also, before the CRJ's can be transferred to the regionals from AC mainline, they have to get replacements in the mainline fleet.

Effectively this means that CRJ's are most likely going to be the F28 replacements for the regionals, probably the 25 AC already has plus a few orders to bring it up to the 39 aircraft limit (or maybe more, the limit increases as AC mainline fleet grows).

So to answer the question, no the phase-out hasn't yet begun, but plans will have to be announced fairly soon...

Also, as to 732/DC9 phase-out, I suspect that the additional 319/320/321 aircraft will go PART of the way to either replace 732/DC9 aircraft on some routes, or maybe 320/321's will replace 319/320's on some routes to free them up to fly 732/DC9 routes. In the end, IMHO, I think we'll see the longer haul 732 routes (ie- YEG-YUL) flown by 319's, while probably another fleet type (ie- possibly 717's) for some of the shorter runs.
But that's just my opinion, I'm still waiting for phase II orders to come out.

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