United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 29

CONTACREW · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:33 pm

The first 77W doesn't get delivered till next month. What you saw was the pre delivery test flight which occured last Sunday. It gets delivered in December where it will undergo several crew training flights before being put into scheduled service on domestic hub to hub routes in late January. It will transition to intl routes end of February.

springtx · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:49 pm

777222LR wrote:
So it seems the 777-300ER is flying now. I was a bit premature in my previous post. Where are the photos? I can't seem to find a photo or a video anywhere.

VC10er · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:57 pm

Question: would the current international BF seats UNITED uses on everything other that old 3 class birds, Diamond lay flats, fit 2x2 on a 737 as they do on a 757? If so, I wonder if Transcons like SFO/LAX to IAD work?

drerx7 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:15 pm

Any confirmation on which hub to hub flights for the 77w?

fun2fly · Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:24 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
The first 77W doesn't get delivered till next month. What you saw was the pre delivery test flight which occured last Sunday. It gets delivered in December where it will undergo several crew training flights before being put into scheduled service on domestic hub to hub routes in late January. It will transition to intl routes end of February.

At the end of Jan, they'd have 4 units and the end of Feb 6, so it's possible for 2 TPAC flights in Feb? 3 TPAC flights in March? That's low season for TPAC except Chinese New Year on Jan 28 which there even less TPAC traffic so it will be interesting to see where these birds go. With that fact, we might see TLV or India first.

redrooster3 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:27 pm

VC10er wrote:
Question: would the current international BF seats UNITED uses on everything other that old 3 class birds, Diamond lay flats, fit 2x2 on a 737 as they do on a 757? If so, I wonder if Transcons like SFO/LAX to IAD work?

The Cabin Widths are technically the same Dimensions. The 757 being 11ft 7in, and the 737 be 11ft 8in. So I would guess United could do a 2x2 layout on some 737s, But how much longer are the BFs compared to the current seats?

77H · Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:47 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
The first 77W doesn't get delivered till next month. What you saw was the pre delivery test flight which occured last Sunday. It gets delivered in December where it will undergo several crew training flights before being put into scheduled service on domestic hub to hub routes in late January. It will transition to intl routes end of February.

I hope they do a few HNL turns from the hubs as part of the familiarization schedule. Although I suppose they are probably too premium.

CONTACREW · Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:14 pm

77H wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
The first 77W doesn't get delivered till next month. What you saw was the pre delivery test flight which occured last Sunday. It gets delivered in December where it will undergo several crew training flights before being put into scheduled service on domestic hub to hub routes in late January. It will transition to intl routes end of February.

I hope they do a few HNL turns from the hubs as part of the familiarization schedule. Although I suppose they are probably too premium.

EWR-IAH-EWR turns is what I'm hearing the domestic hub to hub route would be. Plus possibly EWR-MCO-EWR for ETOPS.

VC10er · Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:19 pm

Wow, I will do a RT to IAH and back in Polaris (domestic F) ASAP, if possible. It's funny, but the 77W, painted looks a lot like the 767-400 in many ways.

VC10er · Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:22 pm

Actually, if the first domestic routes from EWR were to Houston, they could replace the 4:30pm 767-300, which gets in at a nice time for the South American flights.

drerx7 · Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:49 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
77H wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
The first 77W doesn't get delivered till next month. What you saw was the pre delivery test flight which occured last Sunday. It gets delivered in December where it will undergo several crew training flights before being put into scheduled service on domestic hub to hub routes in late January. It will transition to intl routes end of February.

I hope they do a few HNL turns from the hubs as part of the familiarization schedule. Although I suppose they are probably too premium.

EWR-IAH-EWR turns is what I'm hearing the domestic hub to hub route would be. Plus possibly EWR-MCO-EWR for ETOPS.

Hmm...where will they park em at IAH? They seem like a tight fit at E..C14/16 I suppose are good and of course D.

CONTACREW · Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:55 pm

drerx7 wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
77H wrote:

I hope they do a few HNL turns from the hubs as part of the familiarization schedule. Although I suppose they are probably too premium.

EWR-IAH-EWR turns is what I'm hearing the domestic hub to hub route would be. Plus possibly EWR-MCO-EWR for ETOPS.

Hmm...where will they park em at IAH? They seem like a tight fit at E..C14/16 I suppose are good and of course D.

E4, E5, E7, E18 & E20 should be able to accommodate the 77W.

intotheair · Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:58 am

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any information on the GUM-based ATR-42s? I clicked through on the tail numbers on the fleet site, but nothing really shows up on Flightaware for them. Are these birds still very active, and if so, where do they fly?

CONTACREW · Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:09 am

intotheair wrote:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any information on the GUM-based ATR-42s? I clicked through on the tail numbers on the fleet site, but nothing really shows up on Flightaware for them. Are these birds still very active, and if so, where do they fly?

GUM, SPN, ROP.

fghtngsiouxatc · Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:04 pm

intotheair wrote:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any information on the GUM-based ATR-42s? I clicked through on the tail numbers on the fleet site, but nothing really shows up on Flightaware for them. Are these birds still very active, and if so, where do they fly?

When I was in GUM last year, they only had one operating ATR-42 (N42836). I was able to hop on it for GUM-SPN-GUM. It was definitely showing its age on the inside. The service was great though. This was before UA started serving snacks in coach again, but on the short 40 minute flight, they served local cookies from Saipan. We also had the same flight attendant there and back on different days. Cool little operation...until the ATR breaks which I've heard happens often.

iahcsr · Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:58 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
drerx7 wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:

EWR-IAH-EWR turns is what I'm hearing the domestic hub to hub route would be. Plus possibly EWR-MCO-EWR for ETOPS.

Hmm...where will they park em at IAH? They seem like a tight fit at E..C14/16 I suppose are good and of course D.

E4, E5, E7, E18 & E20 should be able to accommodate the 77W.

C14/16 are used regularly for 76 and 78s, don't recall ever seeing a 77 there. The new C-north, C1-15 when open, should fit at least one 77W. BTW the existing C14 will be renumbered C24.

CONTACREW · Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:36 pm

iahcsr wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
drerx7 wrote:

Hmm...where will they park em at IAH? They seem like a tight fit at E..C14/16 I suppose are good and of course D.

E4, E5, E7, E18 & E20 should be able to accommodate the 77W.

C14/16 are used regularly for 76 and 78s, don't recall ever seeing a 77 there. The new C-north, C1-15 when open, should fit at least one 77W. BTW the existing C14 will be renumbered C24.

[threeid][/threeid]

C-14, C-16 & C-40 are 777 capable gates I've boarded and deplaned 777s thru all 3 of them.

I'm assuming C-15 will be relabled C-25, C-16 C-26 and so on?

iahcsr · Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:02 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:

E4, E5, E7, E18 & E20 should be able to accommodate the 77W.

C14/16 are used regularly for 76 and 78s, don't recall ever seeing a 77 there. The new C-north, C1-15 when open, should fit at least one 77W. BTW the existing C14 will be renumbered C24.

[threeid][/threeid]

C-14, C-16 & C-40 are 777 capable gates I've boarded and deplaned 777s thru all 3 of them.

I'm assuming C-15 will be relabled C-25, C-16 C-26 and so on?

C-15 isn't used any longer to keep 14/16 open for widebodys, C16-C23 can remain as is. Only C14 needs the change. This is only temporary anyway as the old north will become part of the expanded D terminal whenever that project finally gets underway.

maxholstemh1521 · Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:54 am

The 777-300's may have a new N-Numbers:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2331U

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2332U

iahcsr · Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:00 am

maxholstemh1521 wrote:
The 777-300's may have a new N-Numbers:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2331U

Interesting turn of events... N58031 may become N2331U..... wonder if the Ship # will change as well?

CONTACREW · Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:05 am

maxholstemh1521 wrote:
The 777-300's may have a new N-Numbers:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2331U

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2332U

Disgusting. Why are we changing tail numbers when none of the rest of the fleet is changing tail numbers :thumbsdown:

intotheair · Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:12 am

CONTACREW wrote:
maxholstemh1521 wrote:
The 777-300's may have a new N-Numbers:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2331U

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2332U

Disgusting. Why are we changing tail numbers when none of the rest of the fleet is changing tail numbers

Some wingnuts may say 'disgusting,' others may say a nice throwback to the PMUA days. Either way, certainly interesting.

CONTACREW · Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:21 am

intotheair wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
maxholstemh1521 wrote:
The 777-300's may have a new N-Numbers:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2331U

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2332U

Disgusting. Why are we changing tail numbers when none of the rest of the fleet is changing tail numbers

Some wingnuts may say 'disgusting,' others may say a nice throwback to the PMUA days. Either way, certainly interesting.

So far it looks like only 1 77W will change. I have a feeling if these were -324s and not -322s then the original tail number would be kept.

maxholstemh1521 · Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:40 am

iahcsr wrote:
maxholstemh1521 wrote:
The 777-300's may have a new N-Numbers:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2331U

Interesting turn of events... N58031 may become N2331U..... wonder if the Ship # will change as well?

I would think the aircraft numbers would be 2331, 2332, etc. That would match the number system on the UA side. It seems like it actually kind of makes since with the 3 being the second digit for 777-300ER.

calpsafltskeds · Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:10 am

That's weird. And to pick the 2300 series when 2300 is 772As.
If you're going that way, why not 301UA? That series is available isn't it?

iahcsr · Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:25 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
That's weird. And to pick the 2300 series when 2300 is 772As.
If you're going that way, why not 301UA? That series is available isn't it?

Just the U alone is better... Look at AA reg#s. Lots of AN's there.

codc10 · Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:07 am

CONTACREW wrote:
maxholstemh1521 wrote:
The 777-300's may have a new N-Numbers:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2331U

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... txt=N2332U

Disgusting. Why are we changing tail numbers when none of the rest of the fleet is changing tail numbers

There are plenty of things in this world to be disgusted over... but an aircraft registration hardly seems like something worthy of such strong sentiment.

ordramper98 · Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:24 am

301UA-399UA were our 737-300's (as well as 201UA &202UA). If it does turn out to be 2331 this does line up better to the PMUA way of doing things. We used 4 digit aircraft numbers. The first digit is the aircraft type (2=777,4=airbus,5=757,6=767,8=747) The second digit was the subfleet code, and the last two digits matched the last two digits of the registration. Nothing really disgusting about it.

CONTACREW · Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:36 am

[threeid][/threeid]

ordramper98 wrote:
301UA-399UA were our 737-300's (as well as 201UA &202UA). If it does turn out to be 2331 this does line up better to the PMUA way of doing things. We used 4 digit aircraft numbers. The first digit is the aircraft type (2=777,4=airbus,5=757,6=767,8=747) The second digit was the subfleet code, and the last two digits matched the last two digits of the registration. Nothing really disgusting about it.

Yet only 1 77W so far appears to be getting the change. And why change it anyway the current registration is just fine.

MSPNWA · Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:44 am

A change to 2300s with the return of the "U" would be welcome from an enthusiast perspective. Not a fan of the CO system.

iahcsr · Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:08 am

MSPNWA wrote:
A change to 2300s with the return of the "U" would be welcome from an enthusiast perspective. Not a fan of the CO system.

I think the CO system works fine in so much as no broken numerical sequence for Ship #s. Coming up with computer software to sort things starting at the third digit is the problem.

UA444 · Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:01 am

Wow they're -322s and not going to use the absurd CO regs? What a shock. At this rate they'll maybe repaint them to a livery from this century.

iahcsr · Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:02 pm

UA444 wrote:
Wow they're -322s and not going to use the absurd CO regs? What a shock. At this rate they'll maybe repaint them to a livery from this century.

They are "absurd" to people too mentally lazy to understand the logic in their pattern. As for painting, if something new comes along, so much the better. But as is, better to get other more urgent matters in order first.

cruiseshipcrew · Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:09 pm

iahcsr wrote:
UA444 wrote:
Wow they're -322s and not going to use the absurd CO regs? What a shock. At this rate they'll maybe repaint them to a livery from this century.

They are "absurd" to people too mentally lazy to understand the logic in their pattern. As for painting, if something new comes along, so much the better. But as is, better to get other more urgent matters in order first.

Don't waste your time with this person. Some people are still very bitter over the merger and it will never change.

bmibaby737 · Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:50 pm

The below are those currently reserved for United Airlines on FAA, although I don't see one for "34U"

N2331U
N2332U
N2333U
N2135U
N2136U
N2737U
N2138U
N2639U
N2140U
N2341U
N2142U
N2243U
N2644U
N2645U
N2846U
N2747U
N2748U
N2749U
N2250U
N2251U
N2352U
N2753U
N2654U
N2355U

iahcsr · Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:32 pm

bmibaby737 wrote:
The below are those currently reserved for United Airlines on FAA, although I don't see one for "34U"

N2331U
N2332U
N2333U
N2135U
N2136U
N2737U
N2138U
N2639U
N2140U
N2341U
N2142U
N2243U
N2644U
N2645U
N2846U
N2747U
N2748U
N2749U
N2250U
N2251U
N2352U
N2753U
N2654U
N2355U

This does seem a happy medium between the two formats. The second digit sub fleet # isn't used any longer so it can be random to keep an unbroken sequence. Suspect Ship #s won't change though. The 0/3 issue does need sorting at some point.. It's rather annoying operationally speaking.

iahcsr · Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:19 pm

Meanwhile....
739
N61898 is showing Ready for Delivery
N63899 first flight aka B1 today.
N38479 almost at end of FAL.. Should be last 739 non-MAX ... maybe.. :roll:

strfyr51 · Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:58 am

UA's nose nbr sequence is pretty easy, 2xxx is fleet the second digit is cabin mod status so 20xx would mean Base config as delivered
the last 2 nbrs are for tail sequence so 2x31 might reflect 2331

fun2fly · Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:36 am

With UA picking up their new 77W in December, do we have a seat map yet?

audidudi · Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:06 pm

fun2fly wrote:
With UA picking up their new 77W in December, do we have a seat map yet?

Read reply #608 above and then try a dummy booking on ual.com. That's where the seat map will be once the flights have been loaded into the system.

calpsafltskeds · Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:47 am

319:
N811UA and N851UA reported with New F seats/ISP in F?E+

738:
N14231 entered INT 2152/27Nov for slimines
N17244 found with slimlines
N78501 reported with slimlines
N78506 reported with slimlines

739:
N66897, new delivery ferried SEA Induction to INT 2137/30Nov for WiFi/scimitars, has space bins

744:
N104UA exited XMN 2146/29Nov

E175:
N80343 has GoGo Wifi and PDE active
N86347 has GoGo Wifi and PDE active
N165SY will exit induction with Wifi and PDE
N166SY will exit induction with Wifi and PDE

E145X:
N11150 has left ExpressJet in prep for transfer

UA444 · Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:54 am

iahcsr wrote:
UA444 wrote:
Wow they're -322s and not going to use the absurd CO regs? What a shock. At this rate they'll maybe repaint them to a livery from this century.

They are "absurd" to people too mentally lazy to understand the logic in their pattern. As for painting, if something new comes along, so much the better. But as is, better to get other more urgent matters in order first.

I know the logic behind it and it still is illogical. They should've just used the N111xx pattern the others did. When PA debuted the 747 it was done with N747PA. When UA debuted the 777 it was N777UA. Classy, easy to remember and thoughtful. Then you have the first 787 and it's....N29904 or something.

calpsafltskeds · Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:43 am

Yes, I guess the XXXUA is easier to work with if you don't run out of numbers as we're past 715 mainline aircraft. You can't use all 1000 numbers up unless each fleet has an even 100 aircraft or 2 types share 100 numbers.

There's probably almost as many numbering systems as there are airlines out there - using numbers, letters, etc. Aren't we a bit overdoing the significance of the numbering system.

That being said, the old UA system of 4 digits seems a bit out of touch to recognize different versions since new units and most every type are going with just one version. I wonder how many were confused or even found it relevant with the second digit indicating a different configuration. Having to change the digit after a reconfiguration must have been interesting for employees and computers. In any case, nearing 1,000 mainline units leaves little room to use a 3 digit system, so maybe 4 digits is needed just to identify different aircraft (excluding configuration differences).

I was looking a WN's scheme and they have the 4 digit ship number followed by any letter that's available, giving them about 25 shots at each number. I could see UA having to skip ship numbers if a number in the xxxxU sequence is not available. That's maybe why DL and AA use different letters than just DL, AA or UA.

The beauty of the CO system 3 digit system is there's always a leading 2 digits that can be found to keep the ship numbers in sequence. And, since CO couldn't use the "O" they couldn't use a xxxCO system.

codc10 · Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:12 pm

UA444 wrote:
I know the logic behind it and it still is illogical. They should've just used the N111xx pattern the others did. When PA debuted the 747 it was done with N747PA. When UA debuted the 777 it was N777UA. Classy, easy to remember and thoughtful. Then you have the first 787 and it's....N29904 or something.

A large number of the N7XXUA numbers are already registered, and not held by United. There's also some 'squatting' on certain registrations, I'd imagine. A good chunk of the N3XXUA series is available, but again, it looks like the company is moving to a different naming convention. Something of very, very, very little consequence to all but the tiniest segment of avgeeks.

antoniemey · Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:51 am

Out of curiosity, anyone know if they ever plan to standardize the E145 seats (for the aircraft that are sticking around for awhile) with the rest of the fleet?

LAXintl · Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:57 am

fun2fly wrote:
With UA picking up their new 77W in December, do we have a seat map yet?

Seat map has been out and published internally for 9 months

http://www.briansumers.com/home/is-this ... -777-300er

calpsafltskeds · Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:12 am

That matches up with the 60BF/110E+/196Y

fun2fly · Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:25 am

Seat map has been out and published internally for 9 months

http://www.briansumers.com/home/is-this ... -777-300er

Per the article: United has declined to say, with an airline spokeswoman telling me on Thursday, "the configuration is still under review." She added she had "Nothing to share today." I had hoped United would tell me what it planned for the configuration, but that did not happen, so I'll be watching to see how the airline decides to publicly share its plans for the 777-300ERs. We'll have to see if this is the official configuration.

Without one on UA.com, I wasn't sure. So, it's official?

kordcj · Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:05 pm

bmibaby737 wrote:
The below are those currently reserved for United Airlines on FAA, although I don't see one for "34U"

N2331U
N2332U
N2333U
N2135U
N2136U
N2737U
N2138U
N2639U
N2140U
N2341U
N2142U
N2243U
N2644U
N2645U
N2846U
N2747U
N2748U
N2749U
N2250U
N2251U
N2352U
N2753U
N2654U
N2355U

The missing 34 will be registered as N59034 which makes no sense at all compared to the other 77Ws

intotheair · Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:40 pm

fun2fly wrote:
Seat map has been out and published internally for 9 months

http://www.briansumers.com/home/is-this ... -777-300er

Per the article: United has declined to say, with an airline spokeswoman telling me on Thursday, "the configuration is still under review." She added she had "Nothing to share today." I had hoped United would tell me what it planned for the configuration, but that did not happen, so I'll be watching to see how the airline decides to publicly share its plans for the 777-300ERs. We'll have to see if this is the official configuration.

Without one on UA.com, I wasn't sure. So, it's official?

It looks about right, but I wouldn't say it's official. In the days of IPTE, there was a 777 seat map floating around that still had 2-5-2 in Y. I think it even was published on SeatGuru. UA had to scrap the whole configuration when they ran into certification issues and when it became clearer that having four video boxes to power nine seats didn't make sense when they only needed three boxes for a 3-3-3 configuration, which is what they ultimately went for. That's a more extreme example, but it goes to show that nothing is really official until UA puts it on their website and when the plane is actually certified to fly.

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