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Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing

Thu May 19, 2016 3:07 am

CNN is airing this coverage now.

They report 58 passengers on board and aircraft is missing.
Last edited by SQ22 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Title slightly updated
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:09 am

Statement from MS:

Quote:
An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight no MS804,which departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST),heading to Cairo has disappeared from radar.
http://twitter.com/EGYPTAIR/status/733129477941788672

Not good.

[Edited 2016-05-18 20:10:43]
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:10 am

Flown on: A319 A320 B734 B737 B738 B752 CRJ DH2 DH8 E135/145 E175 E190 MD80 ...and more that I can't remember.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:10 am

I just saw that on CNN. Not good.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:11 am

SU-GCC delivered in 2003.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:11 am

If FlightRadar 24 correct, it appears that the a/c is SU-GCC, an A320.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:11 am

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766

Flight just ends over water. Not good.

Thoughts are with the pax and families, hope this turns out to be nothing

[Edited 2016-05-18 20:11:54]
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:12 am

Flight Aware shows this is typically a 737-800 route.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...4/history/20160519/2045Z/LFPG/HECA
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:13 am

Just got a news alert from FOX.. Hopefully everything will be OK.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:17 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 8):
Hopefully everything will be OK

Once a plane has disappeared from radar long enough for the media to get a hold of it, or for the airline to release an official statement.......... the threshold for "everything being okay" has usually been exceeded.  
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:19 am

The Guardian now also reporting it as an A320-232 Rego: SU-GCC

59 pax, 10 crew

Hoping it all turns out okay
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:24 am

Looks like it should have arrived over 2 hours ago.  
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:24 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 9):
Once a plane has disappeared from radar long enough for the media to get a hold of it, or for the airline to release an official statement.......... the threshold for "everything being okay" has usually been exceeded.

One can only hope for the best.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:24 am

One can't help but notice it is, again, another flight involving Egypt to go down. Could this be another bombing? I hope for all involved to be safe.  Sad

[Edited 2016-05-18 20:25:17]
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:25 am

My thoughts are with the families of the pax and the crew.

Was the distance and altitude within the A320 envelope?

CNN just said it flew over the Alps, and their guest said "those [the route] are not favorable conditions if an alternate airport" is needed.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:28 am

Quoting lostsound (Reply 13):
One can't help but notice it is, again, another flight involving Egypt to go down. Could this be another bombing? I hope for all involved to be safe.  

We have no idea what happened of course, but there is a difference between a flight departing Eygpt and one arriving Egypt. Let's hold speculation on similarities sans evidence.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:28 am

Departed CDG at 23.09 CEST according to cnn. Saying 737-800. Hoping for the best
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:28 am

Egyptair has confirmed she is missing. 59 PAX and 10 crew.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 14):
CNN just said it flew over the Alps, and their guest said "those [the route] are not favorable conditions if an alternate airport" is needed.

What kind of idiot did they have on there? The plane lost radar contact over the Med, 80 miles out from Egyptian airspace.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:28 am

Now CNN saying it was a 737-800. That's just incorrect, right? It was A320 this flight.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:28 am

CNN is saying it's a 737-800
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:30 am

CNN is translating tweet, which says it was at 37,000 and climbing.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:31 am

Paris + Cairo ... it has the potential hallmarks of ISIS ...
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:31 am

These CNN aviation "experts" seem like idiots. How are they relying on/waiting for a tweet to know that the plane was at 37k altitude when fightradar24 was showing that from the get-go?
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:31 am

CNN says a lot of things when it comes to aviation (all the MH 370 nonsense comes to mind), and hopes some will stick.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:31 am

The woman CNN has on now says her translation says they were 10 min out of Egyptian airspace.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:31 am

37,000 and climbing. Then loss of contact. That's not good.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:33 am

Flightaware showing a 737-800.

Modern airliner, FL370, unless there is some known major weather issue, the likely reason is malicious. But of course its all speculation.

Man CNN really needs to get some new "experts" they really are a joke.

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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:33 am

Quoting Stretch (Reply 25):

Flightradar24 had it cruising at 37k for a long while before disappearance. I think the "and climbing" was just a translation error that the anchor didn't repeat once he got a better translation.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:33 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 19):
CNN is saying it's a 737-800

CNN is probably looking at FlightAware, which is almost certainly wrong.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 14):
CNN just said it flew over the Alps, and their guest said "those [the route] are not favorable conditions if an alternate airport" is needed.

 
Quoting lostsound (Reply 13):
One can't help but notice it is, again, another flight involving Egypt to go down. Could this be another bombing?

Considering that the flight was from CDG, I wouldn't default to that.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:34 am

Does anyone know what the weather is/was where the plane was flying?
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:35 am

Thoughts to all those impacted.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:35 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 19):
CNN is saying it's a 737-800

Flightradar24 shows it as SU-GCC, an A320. No reason to believe that that is wrong.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:36 am

SBS news is reporting that a "search [is] underway," according to a push from the Breaking News app.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:37 am

Quoting blueheronNC (Reply 28):

Agreed. Bad translation.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:37 am

This David Soucie character on CNN isn't much better. He's talking about the potential of the plane avoiding weather (has he checked the weather conditions) and climbing too high outside its operational framework (a quick check of any flight tracker would tell him it was steady at 37k for a long while), depressurization, etc. Do they just let these people talk out of their _______?

The plane reached 37k while still over France, likely its prescribed cruising altitude, and was at 37k when it disappeared from radar hours later. That's not "climbing".

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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:39 am

Looking at simple satellite images, don't see any convection or cloud cover in the area.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:39 am

Dawn Cairo, S&R will be much easier with a full day ahead of them. Prayers for the best.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:39 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 29):
Considering that the flight was from CDG, I wouldn't default to that.

Certainly not defaulting, there are several possibilities as to what has happened. However, Paris was also the site of terror not too far ago.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:41 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 37):
Looking at simple satellite images, don't see any convection or cloud cover in the area.

Thanks. That means it is probably not good.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:41 am

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 30):
Does anyone know what the weather is/was where the plane was flying?

The weather to the WSW of Cyprus in the area of the last position report on Flightaware (coordinates 33.6952 28.7706 at 37,000 feet with no recent altitude changes per https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR804/history/20160518/2045Z/LFPG/HECA/tracklog) is showing very clear at the moment (this link is a live view, so if viewing in the future, it will show current conditions):

http://wxug.us/1unea
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:42 am

Mary Schiavo: "There are conflicting reports that this could be a 737-800, maybe an Airbus . . .". Is it beyond her to get a definitive answer?
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:42 am

I hope this turns out well but its not looking great.

Incidentally why is MS staffing an A320 with less than 60 passengers with 10 crew? Erroneous reporting?
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:42 am

Weather doesn't seem too bad looking at the satellite... http://en.sat24.com/en/eg
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:44 am

Sad news indeed, lets hope for some positive news here shortly

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 46):
Incidentally why is MS staffing an A320 with less than 60 passengers with 10 crew? Erroneous reporting?

2 pilots, maybe some check crew onboard also could boost the crew numbers. Or dead headers
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:44 am

Now this CNN "meteorologist" is saying there was a "storm system in the path of the flight path." He then points to a storm over the Alps that the plane successfully navigated. Now he's talking about the tall mountains there.
 
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:44 am

Prayers for all those involved ... There is never a time when one gets numb to these kind of incidents. It's never going to keep me off an aircraft, but it will restrict where I can allow myself to go. Glad I've seen the Pyramids, Mt Kilimanjaro, Zanzibar, Victoria Falls, Table Mountain as I'll likely never go back.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:45 am

Quoting phlwok (Reply 43):


Thanks.

I don't think an A320 or 738 would have a fatal mechanical problem this late into the flight, would it? Could adjusting the flaps cause something like this? I don't think so, but I am not an engineer.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:46 am

MSNBC is now reporting. Aircraft is a 738. MSNBG is showing the FlightAware page.

OK, FA reports a 738. FR24 reports an A320 registered SU-GCC.

FA tracks SU-GCC as operating MS804 as a 738, but all my sources say that SU-GCC is an A320.

The graphs on FA show that she was cruising at FL 370 at either 533 or 534kt, which was consistent with the aircraft's previous cruise.

And then the data just...cuts off. At 0140UTC 0240 local.

And I think everyone here knows that that is NEVER a good sign.

[Edited 2016-05-18 20:47:24]
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:46 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 47):

Weather doesn't seem too bad looking at the satellite... http://en.sat24.com/en/eg

Yea, weather seems to be a non-factor at all. When modern airliners fall out of the sky at FL370, from an airline with no known safety issues, IMO the stats these days lean towards malicious activity.

EgyptAir is stating its an A320. Guess we will go with them over flightaware.
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RE: CNN Reporting Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing.

Thu May 19, 2016 3:48 am

Don Lemon now says tweet w/ correction says "10 miles into Egyptian airspace."
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