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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:19 am

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MSN 63 QR airborne on its first flight: https://fr24.com/AIB01FJ/e9c63bf


So it looks like the rumour that QR will still take this frame is true, unless Airbus found another buyer.

Geoff


QR will take all the "problematic" planes as they are, cancelling later deliveries instead. The refusal was an contractual based excuse for cancelling 4 frames, not an actual quality issue.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:10 am

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MSN 136 (LH #5) out on its first CAF. #AIB03NI
MSN 124 (HX #1) also out on its first CAF. #AIB04GE


And now MSN 130 TG #6 is heading for a CAF too: https://fr24.com/AIB06FB/e9cbb61
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:49 pm

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Geoff1947 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 63 QR airborne on its first flight: https://fr24.com/AIB01FJ/e9c63bf


So it looks like the rumour that QR will still take this frame is true, unless Airbus found another buyer.

Geoff


QR will take all the "problematic" planes as they are, cancelling later deliveries instead. The refusal was an contractual based excuse for cancelling 4 frames, not an actual quality issue.


It would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall during the Emir's visit. Bakar has been quiet recently.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:04 pm

MSN 63 QR first flight:

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MSN 138 CI #8 ferry flight to TLS after paint in XFW:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:08 pm

If my count from Starbuck's list is correct, as of now, Airbus has more QR frames stuck somewhere in the system (including five -1000 ones, to be fair) than they have delivered to said QR. Then, next QR frames seem to be in a limbo, from MSN 161 onward…
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:56 pm

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MSN 134 (AY #11) soon to depart on maiden flight. #AIB01GY


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This Marimekko thing is getting old. Finland is celebrating 100 years of independence this year and AY should commemorate that by painting one A359 in the classic DC-10 colors with a Finnish flag at the tail considering also that the A350 is at least as important plane for Finnair and it's future as the iconic DC-10 was back in time.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:29 am

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I didn't intend any criticism of you. Personally I don't believe anything attributed to QR. They are in a complete mess but not really surprising as the country is struggling to survive.

Geoff


QR are indeed in shortage of widebodies frames. The country is not struggling to survive, we are the fastest growing economy in the Gulf despite the blockade--which will help with aviation as well .

QR have upgraded some narrowbody african flights to widebody as well.

But, from what you said, will QR still the four cancelled frames?


I didn't mean your economy is struggling it is the future of Qatar as an independent state which is in doubt. Without support from Saudi Arabia and the USA ( who back Saudi in the current dispute ) your country may have no future.

Geoff


Qatar is an independent state, and its future is certainly not in doubt. It will remain an independent state.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:42 am

https://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/EASA_AD_ ... 7-0154-E_1

Hope the AD issue quickly resolved. Seems odd to use fuel tanks as cooling source given vulnerability ....assuming I understand it correctly. Could result in some major design/ configuration changes aside from checklist changes!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:48 am

Discussed elsewhere and it is extremely common to use the fuel tanks as a cooling source. It fulfils two things - acts as a coolant and does some warming of the fuel which helps it from becoming too cold (see the interesting report into the BA777 that crashed just short of the Heathrow runway for the issues with cold fuel).
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:53 am

Comming back to QR my issue is what exactly does QR intend to do with all the new 350s that could potentially come online in the near future. Surely getting 2-3 per month simply isn't feasible with regards to their operations. They're already overstocked with aircraft after the blockade. I don't see them being able to take more than 2 per month. Meanwhile Airbus keeps producing their frames on time. Basically meaning that there is simply going to be a lot of QR frames at some point of production for at least another year.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:03 pm

Thanks SirTim as unaware of this application ...assume it is a well proven method although surprised as an issue it has only surfaced after four years flying. Anyway pleased quickly actioned by EASA.
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:00 pm

Anyone know when the first IR A35K will go into final assembly?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:30 am

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Anyone know when the first IR A35K will go into final assembly?

Not before 2019
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:42 am

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Comming back to QR my issue is what exactly does QR intend to do with all the new 350s that could potentially come online in the near future. Surely getting 2-3 per month simply isn't feasible with regards to their operations. They're already overstocked with aircraft after the blockade. I don't see them being able to take more than 2 per month. Meanwhile Airbus keeps producing their frames on time. Basically meaning that there is simply going to be a lot of QR frames at some point of production for at least another year.

Who knows? Maybe TK may come in for rescue, and take over 3-4 frames in the pipeline. TK does need some A350s in the forthcoming future, but the recent economic and other problems in the country have forced their wide-body orders to be postponed. (BTW: TK actually needs the a350-900ULR in priority to open up the IST-SYD non-stop flights.) In the recent years Turkey and Qatar have established pretty high levels of friendship and co-operation between the states, so QR may do TK a favor by allocating some of their production slots in 2019-2020. TK operates a very noticable 332/333 fleet, so they have pretty much of the needed infrastructure for 350 family... Nothing is impossible...
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:43 am

MSN 130 TG #6 second CAF: https://fr24.com/AIB07FB/ea5a166
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:23 pm

Few updates on the delivery front:

- MSN 76 QR #17 ongoing activities at the delivery centre: https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/900965460614594560
- MSN 124 HX #1 delivery flight scheduled on August 31: https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 8000716800
- MSN 128 CX #18 delivery imminent: https://twitter.com/cathaypacificUK/sta ... 8976594944
- MSN 135 DL #2 emerged from post-delivery work.
- MSN 136 LH #5 is online with final registration: https://fr24.com/136/ea5a15d
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:24 pm

MSN 162 Ci #10 emerged from final assembly:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:21 am

MSN 128 CX #18 should be heading home today.

Airbus A350 -941 128 B-LRS Cathay Pacific delivery 29aug17 TLS-HKG ex F-WZFH
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:06 am

MSN 130 (TG #6) sporting its final regs this morning (HS-THG).
Other movement of note: MSN 164 (DL #5) has made it out of FAL to P18
MSN 100/102/110 (QR), MSN 146 (LH), MSN 153 (HX), MSN 155 (CX) and MSN 160 (DL) are all inside hangars now either for cabins, paint, engines and/or re-work.
MSN 98/112 (JD) have moved back out of the hangars and into temporary storage.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:50 am

MSN 159 MH #1 has moved to paint.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:52 am

MSN 128 CX #18 delivery flight:

https://fr24.com/CPA3510/ea8429e
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:31 pm

MSN 88, Qatar's first A350-1000, has emerged from paint.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:44 pm

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MSN 128 CX #18 delivery flight:

https://fr24.com/CPA3510/ea8429e

Well that definitely allows CX to overtake QR as largest A350 operator (QR have 16 delivered, correct?). And SQ may follow soon I think.
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MSN 88, Qatar's first A350-1000, has emerged from paint.

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1st Airbus A350-1000 Qatar Airways A7-ANA by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

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1st Airbus A350-1000 Qatar Airways A7-ANA by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

Thanks. What's interesting is that even though the A35K is about the same length as the 777-300 and its fuselage narrower, the -1000 doesn't appear to be as long as the 773. Maybe it has to do with the photo angles. Would be great to see it with engines installed, these should be on its way very soon I suppose.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:54 pm

I heard that route proving for the -1000 is slightly delayed as there is a small issue with the XWB97 (combustor I think) which they say will be fixed quickly. Of course in the engine industry quickly means a few weeks.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:03 pm

In addition to MSN 159 MH #1, MSN 90 QR and MSN 145 MK #1 are in paint as well.

So soon we will be seeing two new A350 customers.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:06 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 88, Qatar's first A350-1000, has emerged from paint.

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1st Airbus A350-1000 Qatar Airways A7-ANA by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

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1st Airbus A350-1000 Qatar Airways A7-ANA by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr


Has it already been for cabin fit?
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:10 pm

Slug71 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 88, Qatar's first A350-1000, has emerged from paint.

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1st Airbus A350-1000 Qatar Airways A7-ANA by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

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1st Airbus A350-1000 Qatar Airways A7-ANA by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr


Has it already been for cabin fit?
Yep.
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:24 pm

MSN 135 DL #2 is being prepared for its delivery flight to ATL.

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Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:31 am

MSN 144 (OZ #3) conducting its initial engine run this morning
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:00 am

Would anyone happen to know btw why Finnair skipped the registration OH-LWJ? They went straight from LWI to LWK.

As a side note, my next AY A350 flight is due in November to HKG! I hope they would throw one of the newer seat configuration models on that route, meaning LWI, LWK or LWL (which I suppose is the Marimekko livery).
 
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:05 am

MSN 134 (AY #11) departing on a second test flight #AIB02GY
 
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:51 pm

MSN 138 (CI #8) out on another test flight this afternoon #AIB04FS
 
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:25 pm

MSN 124 HX #1 now visible with its final registration, delivery imminent:

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Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:28 pm

And we close the day with another test flight for MSN 133 SQ #17.

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Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:41 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Has it already been for cabin fit?


BOEING777EK wrote:
Yep.


Partly. MSN 88 was in cabin fit for ~ 2 months. Plane is now back at Station 20 to finish up the cabin.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:47 pm

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Would anyone happen to know btw why Finnair skipped the registration OH-LWJ? They went straight from LWI to LWK.


I don't know why but it's a bit of a tradition that they haven't registered planes that end with xxJ after one of their DC-3, OH-LCJ (which was changed to OH-LCK just two weeks later).
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:17 pm

EASA has today certified the XWB97

Good news for the 1000
 
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:48 pm

B-LGA is leaving shortly on its delivery flight to Hong Kong.

Guess this makes Hong Kong the first place in the world with 2 A350 equipped airlines :hyper:
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:52 pm

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And we close the day with another test flight for MSN 133 SQ #17.

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AIB06GO msn133 30/8/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Slightly off-topic but I cannot resist. Can anyone identify the Jetstar in the background?
 
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:48 pm

N14AZ wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
And we close the day with another test flight for MSN 133 SQ #17.

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AIB06GO msn133 30/8/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Slightly off-topic but I cannot resist. Can anyone identify the Jetstar in the background?

Searching for Lockheed Jetstar and Toulouse in the Airliners.net photo database gives this one:



VP-CSM, cn 5098/58

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:23 pm

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What about the combustion chamber issue?
Or would this imply it's been certified with the fix?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:31 pm

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B-LGA is leaving shortly on its delivery flight to Hong Kong.

Guess this makes Hong Kong the first place in the world with 2 A350 equipped airlines :hyper:


Depends on how you define "place". There are two French airlines operating A350, although only one from metropolitan France…
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:54 pm

Is there a way to track the A35K on its route proving rounds on fr24 / flightaware?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:02 pm

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itisi wrote:
B-LGA is leaving shortly on its delivery flight to Hong Kong.

Guess this makes Hong Kong the first place in the world with 2 A350 equipped airlines :hyper:


Depends on how you define "place". There are two French airlines operating A350, although only one from metropolitan France…

Well then if you define "place" as the whole world, then you have >10 A350 equipped airlines :duck:
I swear, people on this forum take pedantry to really frustrating levels. It's clear to me from itsi's post that by place, (s)he meant city.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:29 pm

Slug71 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:


What about the combustion chamber issue?
Or would this imply it's been certified with the fix?


What is the issues with the combustion chamber?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:43 am

NeBaNi wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
itisi wrote:
B-LGA is leaving shortly on its delivery flight to Hong Kong.

Guess this makes Hong Kong the first place in the world with 2 A350 equipped airlines :hyper:


Depends on how you define "place". There are two French airlines operating A350, although only one from metropolitan France…

Well then if you define "place" as the whole world, then you have >10 A350 equipped airlines :duck:
I swear, people on this forum take pedantry to really frustrating levels. It's clear to me from itsi's post that by place, (s)he meant city.


You seem to be a smart chap so if you know anything about Hong Kong you will know that some fools here get very pissed off when you say China. So I went with "same place"

Ok?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

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NeBaNi wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
itisi wrote:
Guess this makes Hong Kong the first place in the world with 2 A350 equipped airlines :hyper:

Depends on how you define "place". There are two French airlines operating A350, although only one from metropolitan France…

Well then if you define "place" as the whole world, then you have >10 A350 equipped airlines :duck:
I swear, people on this forum take pedantry to really frustrating levels. It's clear to me from itsi's post that by place, (s)he meant city.

Calm down dude, what he said made perfect sense:

If HKG is viewed as a separate sovereign, then yes.
If viewed as a part of "Greater China," you then have even more carriers with the bird.

Nothing pedantic about it.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:59 am

BoeingVista wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:


What about the combustion chamber issue?
Or would this imply it's been certified with the fix?


What is the issues with the combustion chamber?


Not sure.
Karel just posted (#3336) about a problem that was discovered and a fix is being implemented.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:47 am

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B-LGA is leaving shortly on its delivery flight to Hong Kong.

Guess this makes Hong Kong the first place in the world with 2 A350 equipped airlines :hyper:


Hi, in fact it is the second place, after France with Air Caraïbes and French Blue equipped with A350 ...

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