Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

KarelXWB · Wed May 31, 2017 12:32 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Looking back at the first flight of MSN 76, it seems the tail fin is not fully painted. This means MSN 76 will require a small paint retouch.

First flight msn76 F-WZNE 17/5/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

MSN 76 re-emerged from paint and got its vertical tail fin finished.

Flight Line A350 Qatar Airways - Cathay pacific by theo franchi, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Wed May 31, 2017 12:38 pm

Initial engine run on MSN 83 QR xx today.

KarelXWB · Wed May 31, 2017 2:19 pm

MSN 5 has just arrived in TLS.

817Dreamliiner · Wed May 31, 2017 2:42 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 5 has just arrived in TLS.

https://twitter.com/THOFBOSS/status/869923903111671809

bycac · Wed May 31, 2017 3:08 pm

French Blue at TLS msn 005 :

CX Flyboy · Wed May 31, 2017 7:21 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Looks like MSN 101 (Cathay #15) is wearing its final registration. Possible handover today?!?
.

Scheduled for June 1st

kelual · Wed May 31, 2017 7:24 pm

Any news on the Are Lingus A359?

KarelXWB · Wed May 31, 2017 7:45 pm

CX Flyboy wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Looks like MSN 101 (Cathay #15) is wearing its final registration. Possible handover today?!?
.

Scheduled for June 1st

MSN 104 just popped online with its final registration, I guess both aircraft will be the first 2 deliveries of June.

BOEING777EK · Wed May 31, 2017 8:15 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
kelual wrote:
Any news on the Are Lingus A359?
Are Lingus won't be getting their a350 as they switched the order to the a330neo

Polot · Wed May 31, 2017 8:29 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
kelual wrote:
Any news on the Are Lingus A359?
Are Lingus won't be getting their a350 as they switched the order to the a330neo

I think you are confusing Aer Lingus with TAP. EI still technically has the A359 on order with no known A330neo order (either direct through Airbus or lease), although there are rumors that the A359s may end up at another IAG airline with EI (eventually) operating the A330neo instead. Nothing official though.

TAP on the other hand did switch their A359 order to the A339 and became that plane's launch customer/operator.

BOEING777EK · Wed May 31, 2017 10:23 pm

Polot wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
Are Lingus won't be getting their a350 as they switched the order to the a330neo

I think you are confusing Aer Lingus with TAP. EI still technically has the A359 on order with no known A330neo order (either direct through Airbus or lease), although there are rumors that the A359s may end up at another IAG airline with EI (eventually) operating the A330neo instead. Nothing official though.

TAP on the other hand did switch their A359 order to the A339 and became that plane's launch customer/operator.

Im not sure but i thought Aer Lingus switched the A350 order to the A330NEO as theres no actual delivery date for the A350 for Aer Lingus

But also according to PlanespottersNet it shows that MSN 197 is Aer Lingus's A350
But when we look at https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list it shows that MSN 197 A350 is for Vietnam Airlines maybe they have A350s on order but transferred them to other operators.

So the A350 Deliveries for Aer Lingus will unlikely happen they will most likely get the A330NEO at this case.

trex8 · Wed May 31, 2017 10:46 pm

Does anyone know what WV/MTOWs each airline are using?? I assume the early QR , VN and OY planes are 268K. I vaguely remember Zeke saying the CX panes are 272 or 275. Anyone now what the other customers are ?

gatibosgru · Wed May 31, 2017 11:35 pm

If EI is still getting their A359s, when are the scheduled delivery? If they don't actually take them, would they just go to BA or would the order be converted to something else?

shamrock350 · Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:07 am

Here's a little backstory for the Aer Lingus order...

Originally Aer Lingus ordered six A359s in 2007, this was firmed up in 2008 and later increased to nine frames. They were due in 2016 but were deferred a few times due to the economic crisis and recession in Ireland. When Airbus launched the A330neo, Aer Lingus naturally evaluated it against the A359 but came to the conclusion that the A359 remained the best option and committed to take three frames a year from 2018 through to 2020.

In the meantime Aer Lingus' transatlantic network has more than doubled in size in three years and they've also joined IAG which is when the A350 order ended up in limbo. So far they've received four brand new A333s to provide immediate growth and placed an order for seven A321neoLR to replace the 757s from 2019 onwards.

The A350 order for Aer Lingus remains in the hands of IAG, it'll be up to management on both sides to agree when the time is right for deliveries.

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:42 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
Im not sure but i thought Aer Lingus switched the A350 order to the A330NEO as theres no actual delivery date for the A350 for Aer Lingus

Aer Lingus does not have the A330neo on order. The carrier evaluated the A330neo and concluded the A350 was still the best option.

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:56 am

MSN 5 arriving at BOD in September 2016 for refurbishment up to production standard by Sabena Technics:

Airbus A350-900 F-WWYB (cn 005) futur FrenchBlue airlines by didier durieux, on Flickr

MSN 5 arriving at TLS in May 2017 after a refurbishment period of 8 months:

Airbus A350 Frenchblue F-HREU by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:30 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Initial engine run on MSN 83 QR xx today.

Actually never happened yesterday but is happening now. looks like MSN 120 (Ethiopian #5) will follow right behind it.

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:00 pm

MSN 76 QR #16 getting ready for its second flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB02NE/d95dac5

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:58 pm

Looks like MSN 101 CX #15 has been delivered:

Showing its strong commitment towards eco-efficiency, Airbus becomes the first aircraft manufacturer to offer its customers the option of delivering new jets using a blend of sustainable jet fuel.

The 15th A350-900 for Cathay Pacific departed Toulouse on June 1st, bound for Hong Kong, with a 10 percent blend of sustainable jet fuel in its tanks. Since the first delivery in May 2016, all of Cathay Pacific’s A350s have been delivered in this configuration.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-e ... -jet-fuel/

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:34 am

Initial engine run for MSN 102 (Ethiopian #5) this morning.

StTim · Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:51 am

I think that is MSN120 Ethiopian #5

KarelXWB · Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:18 am

MSN 121 CI #7 emerged from cabin fit and has been moved to paint. Should roll out soon.

Msn121 1/6/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

MSN 124 HX #1 finished outstanding work and has been moved to Station 20 for cabin fit.

Hong Kong A/L A350-941 msn 124 by dn280tls, on Flickr

BobMUC · Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:52 am

Finnairs #9 is online with it's final registration OH-LWI: https://www.flightradar24.com/MSN104/d980a43

KarelXWB · Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:23 pm

The A350-1000 got artificial ice shapes installed:

AIB78XL 1/6/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Strato2 · Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:28 am

BobMUC wrote:
Finnairs #9 is online with it's final registration OH-LWI: https://www.flightradar24.com/MSN104/d980a43

Flew home yesterday evening as AY8961.

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:39 pm

MSN 111 (Thai #4) with another test flight this afternoon #AIB04GA

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:13 am

MSN 109 (Cathay #16) preparing for another test flight #AIB06GF

Kikko19 · Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:30 am

Will the QR birds be deferred for delivery due to the the political situation in the area? Likely too early to see...

StTim · Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:41 am

I am pretty sure Airbus have been delaying current Watar frame for BFE items or AAB would have been very vocal.

Another delay will I am sure have them requiring some sort of compensation - given that the bulk of invoice is normally said to be on delivery.

LAX772LR · Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:55 am

And now with Qatar going through this huge disruption in diplomatic relations, how long will those aircraft continue to sit there?!

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:57 am

MSN 113 (Finnair #10) first engine run this morning

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:27 am

Kikko19 wrote:
Will the QR birds be deferred for delivery due to the the political situation in the area? Likely too early to see...

LAX772LR wrote:
And now with Qatar going through this huge disruption in diplomatic relations, how long will those aircraft continue to sit there?!

QR doesn't need to A350 for regional flights to other Gulf States. As long as their long-haul operations are not affected, deliveries should continue.

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:56 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 113 (Finnair #10) first engine run this morning

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First engine run msn113 F-WZGL 5/6/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

StTim · Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:24 pm

Depends if they suffer from fewer passengers connecting from short to long haul.

Heavierthanair · Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:29 pm

G'day

KarelXWB wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 113 (Finnair #10) first engine run this morning

per Mr. Google a small tribute to today's World Environment Day :duck:

A tiny cloud in comparison to the smoldering Qatar conflict though. As for supporting terrorism, I guess that is the proverbial case of the pot calling back the kettle :crazy:

Cheers

Peter

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:48 pm

Some positive news regarding deliveries:

Deliveries of A350 widebody jets, which have been hit by delays to cabin equipment, are getting much closer to their forecasted delivery dates, the chief executive of Finland's state-controlled carrier, Finnair, said on Sunday.

"Recently they've been fairly good," Pekka Vauramo said "We just got one two days ago, our ninth, and it was shipped within one or two days of when it was supposed to be."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airli ... SKBN18W016

(referring to the delivery of MSN 104)

LAX772LR · Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:46 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Will the QR birds be deferred for delivery due to the the political situation in the area? Likely too early to see...

LAX772LR wrote:
And now with Qatar going through this huge disruption in diplomatic relations, how long will those aircraft continue to sit there?!

QR doesn't need to A350 for regional flights to other Gulf States. As long as their long-haul operations are not affected, deliveries should continue.

I'm aware of that. My comment was aimed more at a potential loss of profits/revenues that might encourage them to defer, if this goes on for an extended period.

ap305 · Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:55 pm

Finnair will also get its zodiac seats replaced.... and a follow up a350 order may not be too far away..

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -jetliners

In a further fleet review, Finnair will assess how many wide-body jets it needs to cover growth plans from 2023 to 2030, Vauramo said. The A350’s performance, which has lowered fuel bills by 3 percent despite added capacity, makes the jet a strong contender for a follow-on order, he said.

gatibosgru · Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:42 pm

Glad to see Finnair is happy with their A350s! Their livery actually looks stunning on the A359.

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:49 am

MSN 119 (Cathay #17) first engine run this afternoon

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:25 pm

MSN 109 CX #16 has moved to the delivery centre.

Msn109 F-WZGF 6/6/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:31 am

MSN 120 ET #5 first flight today: https://fr24.com/AIB01FD/da5f4ff

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:27 am

MSN 109 (Cathay #16) departing on its first CAF #AIB07GF

StTim · Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:37 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 109 (Cathay #16) departing on its first CAF #AIB07GF

That is quite quick for a customer team to get to first CAF after the move to the delivery centre. Do the customer teams sometimes get involved on the flightline as well?

b777vna · Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:39 am

trex8 wrote:
Does anyone know what WV/MTOWs each airline are using?? I assume the early QR , VN and OY planes are 268K. I vaguely remember Zeke saying the CX panes are 272 or 275. Anyone now what the other customers are ?

All VN are 275K

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:41 am

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 120 ET #5 first flight today: https://fr24.com/AIB01FD/da5f4ff

you got a bit ahead of yourself Karel. Today is the RTO. Tomorrow should see the first flight.

KarelXWB · Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:43 am

Well AIB01FD is a typical first flight call sign. It has now changed to ETH120RT.

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:41 pm

MSN 111 (Thai Airways #4) at the delivery centre this afternoon.

Bricktop · Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:51 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Glad to see Finnair is happy with their A350s! Their livery actually looks stunning on the A359.

I'm actually hard pressed to think of a bad looking one. The Air Caraibes A350 is my current "best looking plane" of any type.

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:13 pm

MSN 122 (Singapore #16) online on the flightline. It has been there for a few weeks already so first engine run could be imminent.

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